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The US needs an equivalent to The Free Speech Union

MechaJutaro

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Currently, the only civic organization of any consequence on this subject which exists here in The US* is FIRE, and their approach remains a highly legalistic one



That won't diminish the power of cancel culture though, until a sizeable and vigorous portion of us start promoting "Free Speech Culture"** on a social level




*Post-Charlottesville, The ACLU has pretty much abandoned championing Free Speech




**"Free speech culture is a set of norms that support free thought and our ability to share our opinions. These are norms that see value in curiosity, dissent, devil’s advocacy, thought experimentation, and talking across lines of difference; where our first instinct in response to speech we dislike isn’t to find a way to censor it — or “cancel” the speaker — but to meet it with more speech. To defeat ideas we oppose with better ones. These are norms that can be advanced at all levels of society, from the average citizen to the largest corporation.

The idea is that we cannot reap the benefits of the First Amendment’s protection for free speech in a society where citizens are legally able to speak freely but few of them do so. A college can, for example, promise its students and faculty “the right to think the unthinkable, discuss the unmentionable, and challenge the unchallengeable.” But if the culture doesn’t support those values, what do they matter? As Judge Learned Hand put it: “Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it.”

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TheFiend

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Currently, the only civic organization of any consequence on this subject which exists here in The US* is FIRE, and their approach remains a highly legalistic one



That won't diminish the power of cancel culture though, until a sizeable and vigorous portion of us start promoting "Free Speech Culture"** on a social level




*Post-Charlottesville, The ACLU has pretty much abandoned championing Free Speech




**"Free speech culture is a set of norms that support free thought and our ability to share our opinions. These are norms that see value in curiosity, dissent, devil’s advocacy, thought experimentation, and talking across lines of difference; where our first instinct in response to speech we dislike isn’t to find a way to censor it — or “cancel” the speaker — but to meet it with more speech. To defeat ideas we oppose with better ones. These are norms that can be advanced at all levels of society, from the average citizen to the largest corporation.

The idea is that we cannot reap the benefits of the First Amendment’s protection for free speech in a society where citizens are legally able to speak freely but few of them do so. A college can, for example, promise its students and faculty “the right to think the unthinkable, discuss the unmentionable, and challenge the unchallengeable.” But if the culture doesn’t support those values, what do they matter? As Judge Learned Hand put it: “Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it.”

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That name, 'Free Speech Union' seemed familiar, although I wasn't sure until double checking just now.

There is a branch of the FSU in NZ that I have been aware of since it popped up during '21... around the same time dozens of other supposed "alternative"/"counter"/"oppositional" online groups, movements, communities, media and other such organizations suddenly sprang into existence as if from nowhere.

All of them shared one very particularly notable commonality.

Somehow they all came with pre-established supporter networks, members, finances, and so forth.

This simply doesn't occur naturally online.

It just is not possible to spontaneously appear on the scene with an already established viable social networking seed base in the span of days, weeks or months, especially before ever actually going public at all.

These are Controlled Opposition.

Of course such organizations go to considerable efforts to perform portrayals of themselves very publicly as if genuine opposition, while the mainstream plays along from the other side pretending to attack them.

Its definitely not all black & white though, eg: these cults, both main & alt-streams often pretend to attack other cults on their own "sides" too.

Its all part of the ongoing subversive social engineering crap. Using mass media to create falsely dichotomous ideological cults while manipulating everyone to identify with one side or other via "perception management" strategies and various other tricks.

~Panem et circenses~


A simple way to identify these fuckers, is by their apparent obsession with symbolism shit.

Eg:

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*FSU
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*FSU NZ
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MechaJutaro

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That name, 'Free Speech Union' seemed familiar, although I wasn't sure until double checking just now.

There is a branch of the FSU in NZ that I have been aware of since it popped up during '21... around the same time dozens of other supposed "alternative"/"counter"/"oppositional" online groups, movements, communities, media and other such organizations suddenly sprang into existence as if from nowhere.

All of them shared one very particularly notable commonality.

Somehow they all came with pre-established supporter networks, members, finances, and so forth.

This simply doesn't occur naturally online.

It just is not possible to spontaneously appear on the scene with an already established viable social networking seed base in the span of days, weeks or months, especially before ever actually going public at all.

These are Controlled Opposition.

Of course such organizations go to considerable efforts to perform portrayals of themselves very publicly as if genuine opposition, while the mainstream plays along from the other side pretending to attack them.

Its definitely not all black & white though, eg: these cults, both main & alt-streams often pretend to attack other cults on their own "sides" too.

Its all part of the ongoing subversive social engineering crap. Using mass media to create falsely dichotomous ideological cults while manipulating everyone to identify with one side or other via "perception management" strategies and various other tricks.

~Panem et circenses~


A simple way to identify these fuckers, is by their apparent obsession with symbolism shit.

Eg:

*CCCPView attachment 218061




*FSU
View attachment 218060


*FSU NZ
View attachment 218062

One can read signs of "Control Opposition" into damn near everything. At a certain point, that becomes an excuse for us to not start fighting for free speech on a social level
 

MechaJutaro

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That name, 'Free Speech Union' seemed familiar, although I wasn't sure until double checking just now.

There is a branch of the FSU in NZ that I have been aware of since it popped up during '21... around the same time dozens of other supposed "alternative"/"counter"/"oppositional" online groups, movements, communities, media and other such organizations suddenly sprang into existence as if from nowhere.

All of them shared one very particularly notable commonality.

Somehow they all came with pre-established supporter networks, members, finances, and so forth.

This simply doesn't occur naturally online.

It just is not possible to spontaneously appear on the scene with an already established viable social networking seed base in the span of days, weeks or months, especially before ever actually going public at all.

These are Controlled Opposition.

Of course such organizations go to considerable efforts to perform portrayals of themselves very publicly as if genuine opposition, while the mainstream plays along from the other side pretending to attack them.

Its definitely not all black & white though, eg: these cults, both main & alt-streams often pretend to attack other cults on their own "sides" too.

Its all part of the ongoing subversive social engineering crap. Using mass media to create falsely dichotomous ideological cults while manipulating everyone to identify with one side or other via "perception management" strategies and various other tricks.

~Panem et circenses~


A simple way to identify these fuckers, is by their apparent obsession with symbolism shit.

Eg:

*CCCPView attachment 218061




*FSU
View attachment 218060


*FSU NZ
View attachment 218062


Although niw that The Foundation For Individual Rights And Expression ( https://www.thefire.org/about-us/our-team?category=1575 )is no longer confining themselves to a solely legalistic approach (2:10-4:00 https://reason.com/podcast/2022/06/08/greg-lukianoff-saving-culture-free-speech/ ), and launching a campaign to promote Free Spech values on a social level, everyone needs to ring FIRE up https://www.thefire.org/contact-us , ask to speak to the mobilization team, and volunteer their services to FIRE


Our social climate will just grow even more constricted and repressive, if more of us don't start championing free expression. Publicly, regularly, and vociferously
 

MechaJutaro

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Do you mean, like...😄on behalf of the FIRE.ORG & the FSU network...or something?

Yes. Volunteer to aid FIRE's efforts to promote Free Speech Culture* on the social level


*"Free speech culture is a set of norms that support free thought and our ability to share our opinions. These are norms that see value in curiosity, dissent, devil’s advocacy, thought experimentation, and talking across lines of difference; where our first instinct in response to speech we dislike isn’t to find a way to censor it — or “cancel” the speaker — but to meet it with more speech. To defeat ideas we oppose with better ones. These are norms that can be advanced at all levels of society, from the average citizen to the largest corporation"

 
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