Senators strike bipartisan gun deal

[RollyInRaleigh]

Exactly nobody is having their right to keep or bear arms encroached upon.

As I’ve noted previously gun rights have expanded significantly over the past few decades. There really isn’t much for gun owners to complain about currently.

Just my opinion, but “currently” is not what anyone needs to worry about. The “little by little” is their plan...and don’t be stupid in thinking they don’t have one.

 

[American Deplorable]

Just my opinion, but “currently” is not what anyone needs to worry about. The “little by little” is their plan...and don’t be stupid in thinking they don’t have one.

Little by little you’re getting more gun rights and not the other way around.

In 1930 The Supreme Court ruled owning a firearm was a collective right such as to those in the military. Since then gun rights have expanded with the individual right to own a firearm confirmed in a Supreme Court decision in 2008. Since 2008 the Justices have continued to expand gun rights including several opinions yet to be released this term that will no doubt continue to expand access to firearms.

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapons whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose," Justice Antonin Scalia

That is what Justice Scalia wrote in 2008 when the court confirmed an individual’s right to owning a firearm for those trolling this thread.

 

[RollyInRaleigh]

Little by little you’re getting more gun rights and not the other way around.

In 1930 The Supreme Court ruled owning a firearm was a collective right such as to those in the military. Since then gun rights have expanded with the individual right to own a firearm confirmed in a Supreme Court decision in 2008. Since 2008 the Justices have continued to expand gun rights including several opinions yet to be released this term that will no doubt continue to expand access to firearms.

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapons whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose," Justice Antonin Scalia

That is what Justice Scalia wrote in 2008 when the court confirmed an individual’s right to owning a firearm for those trolling this thread.

Who is trolling?

 

[American Deplorable]

Who is trolling?

@t_money86
@ChicagoFats
@hmt5000
@22*43*51
@SmokeHouse423

 

[RollyInRaleigh]

I respect their right to their opinion. You don’t?

 

[American Deplorable]

I respect their right to their opinion. You don’t?

I accept that they probably have an opinion on the topic. Do I respect what their writing as an honest attempt at discussion on the topic? No not at all.

What they’re doing would be akin to saying the Jacksonville Jaguars were the best team in the NFL last year. They certainly might feel that way but if I assume they are knowledgeable on the topic then of course they would never suggest such a thing. Hence I have to assume they are trolling especially since @ChicagoFats seems like a knowledgeable and honest poster in the stock thread.

I get that I’m the new guy but I’m genuinely interested in discussing current events on this forum.

 

[RollyInRaleigh]

Nobody died and made you king...so if you can’t handle that...I don’t know what to tell you. Your opinion is just that...

 

[American Deplorable]

Nobody died and made you king...so if you can’t handle that...I don’t know what to tell you. Your opinion is just that...

I’m not even arguing for my personal opinion in this thread.

I’m just sharing information so we have a baseline to move forward. For example, if someone’s personal opinion is further right on the spectrum than Justice Scalia then that person is somewhere out in right field on the topic since Scalia is a hardcore right winger.

 

[RollyInRaleigh]

I’m not even arguing for my personal opinion in this thread.

I’m just sharing information so we have a baseline to move forward. For example, if someone’s personal opinion is further right on the spectrum than Justice Scalia then that person is somewhere out in right field on the topic since Scalia is a hardcore right winger.

As I said...nobody died and made you or your opinions king.

 

[American Deplorable]

As I said...nobody died and made you or your opinions king.

True but Justice’s Scalia’s opinion on the topic is “king” so…

 

[PleasureMoose]

Arguing with that twat waffle Pfizer1st just fyi. That fuckin loser doesn't actually believe in freedom. Zhe's a shill for big pharma and doesn't mind rights being infringed.

and stolen valor.... he claimed to of fought in Vietnam and had friends who died there

 

[RollyInRaleigh]

True but Justice’s Scalia’s opinion on the topic is “king” so…

You are no Justice Scalia.

 

[ChicagoFats]

I’m not even arguing for my personal opinion in this thread.

I’m just sharing information so we have a baseline to move forward. For example, if someone’s personal opinion is further right on the spectrum than Justice Scalia then that person is somewhere out in right field on the topic since Scalia is a hardcore right winger.

I just think the constitution means something. We are a country that has laws and if the laws don’t mean anything as they are written we will fail to have a country.

I do concede that all rights are not absolute. For example, the first amendment protects free speech, yet you can’t stand up in a movie theater and yell “fire” putting others in danger. I respect that.

At the same time, the second amendment is clear in that it says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. The government, and really anyone in a position of power, tend to overstep their authority. To me, this has never been more evident than the governments response to Covid AND the framing of Donald J Trump via Russian Collusion. It made it clear that we need to have the right to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government.

Should there be some restraints on gun ownership? Mentally challenged people, yes. But outside of that, there should not be much limitation on gun rights. We have laws which makes our country. If you don’t like the laws vote to change them. That’s how a society operates. If we don’t have laws or only selectively enforce, then we don’t really have a country.

I’m not trolling, I just lost all trust in our government with the way the people in power have abused their power recently and I believe, stronger than ever, that the populace needs to maintain its right to be armed, just as our constitution states. The founders new exactly what they were doing making that the second amendment.

 

[Rusty Student]

American Deplorable is clearly America 1st without the misspelled words.

 

[RollyInRaleigh]

American Deplorable is clearly America 1st without the misspelled words.

 

[American Deplorable]

I just think the constitution means something. We are a country that has laws and if the laws don’t mean anything as they are written we will fail to have a country.

I do concede that all rights are not absolute. For example, the first amendment protects free speech, yet you can’t stand up in a movie theater and yell “fire” putting others in danger. I respect that.

At the same time, the second amendment is clear in that it says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. The government, and really anyone in a position of power, tend to overstep their authority. To me, this has never been more evident than the governments response to Covid AND the framing of Donald J Trump via Russian Collusion. It made it clear that we need to have the right to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government.

Should there be some restraints on gun ownership? Mentally challenged people, yes. But outside of that, there should not be much limitation on gun rights. We have laws which makes our country. If you don’t like the laws vote to change them. That’s how a society operates. If we don’t have laws or only selectively enforce, then we don’t really have a country.

I’m not trolling, I just lost all trust in our government with the way the people in power have abused their power recently and I believe, stronger than ever, that the populace needs to maintain its right to be armed, just as our constitution states. The founders new exactly what they were doing making that the second amendment.

I agree that there are laws and that is how a civilized society operates.

With that in mind it seems like many here have a problem with the ideas of there being any laws at all on the topic.

For example, we could have background checks, red flags laws, and bans of semiautomatic & automatic firearms nationwide and people would still be keeping and bearing arms without infringement as described in the 2nd amendment.

When considering “infringed” we should look to Justice Scalia’s words to lead us towards a constitutional end.

 

[RollyInRaleigh]

I agree that there are laws and that is how a civilized society operates.

With that in mind it seems like many here have a problem with the ideas of there being any laws at all on the topic.

For example, we could have background checks, red flags laws, and bans of semiautomatic & automatic firearms nationwide and people would still be keeping and bearing arms without infringement as described in the 2nd amendment.

When considering “infringed” we should look to Justice Scalia’s words to lead us towards a constitutional end.

When you have a political party that has so little regard for the Constitution...and is willing to go to any means to get their way, why would any of us have any good feelings about any of this? It’s not the law abiding citizens that are causing the problems...

 

[RollyInRaleigh]

 

[PleasureMoose]

Furthermore, of course I support what I and many other patriots fought for in Vietnam! America has a responsibility to her citizens to defend their interests across the whole globe. Having countries fall to communism means fewer choices and less security for Americans and I wasn’t going to allow that without a fight.

You can feel however you want about those rice patties but considering I lost friends and spilled blood in those fields I think I’m capable of deciding for myself what “supporting our troops” is.

@t_money86

i dont take kindly to stolen valor

 

[American Deplorable]

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I don’t see any way a federal red flag law happens now or in the future.

It seems most likely that Congress will pass a law providing funding for states to pass their own red flag laws. I wouldn’t have a problem with that. Let the states who want to opt in do so and let the rest be.

 

[RollyInRaleigh]

I don’t see any way a federal red flag law happens now or in the future.

It seems most likely that Congress will pass a law providing funding for states to pass their own red flag laws. I wouldn’t have a problem with that. Let the states who want to opt in do so and let the rest be.

Yeah, I would’ve said nothing that we are seeing now could happen a few years back...

 

[TJHall1]

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Why hasn't Florida had problems with it the last 4 years?

 

[RollyInRaleigh]

You can trust ‘em if you wish. I will not...

 

[American Deplorable]

Yeah, I would’ve said nothing that we are seeing now could happen a few years back...

Like what?

 

[t_money86]

@t_money86

i dont take kindly to stolen valor

Zhe's just another cunt plant.

 

[RollyInRaleigh]

Like what?

Damn, are you not paying attention?

 

[ChicagoFats]

Why hasn't Florida had problems with it the last 4 years?

Why have gun laws not worked in Chicago? Among other places?

 

[American Deplorable]

Damn, are you not paying attention?

I’m pretty up to date on current events. I’m just not sure which ones surprised you?

 

[TJHall1]

Why have gun laws not worked in Chicago? Among other places?

Refusal to prosecute. Refusal to jail criminals. Garbage attornies and mayor's.

Not to mention Chicago has been a gang banging shit hole for 100 years.

 

[ChicagoFats]

Like what?

IRS targeting conservatives. DOJ / FBI / CIA targeting a republican presidential candidate and eventually the POTUS. Covid lockdowns, forced vaccinations, impeachment shams .... the list goes on.

 

[ChicagoFats]

Refusal to prosecute. Refusal to jail criminals. Garbage attornies and mayor's.

Not to mention Chicago has been a gang banging shit hole for 100 years.

Well yeah, those are all exactly the reasons that we need to be armed! /thread

 

[RollyInRaleigh]

IRS targeting conservatives. DOJ / FBI / CIA targeting a republican presidential candidate and eventually the POTUS. Covid lockdowns, forced vaccinations, impeachment shams .... the list goes on.

Amazing you had to list it all...

 

[RollyInRaleigh]

Well yeah, those are all exactly the reasons that we need to be armed! /thread

All it takes is the wrong people in charge....and it’s really all I’ve been saying. You can’t trust any of them...

 

[TJHall1]

Well yeah, those are all exactly the reasons that we need to be armed! /thread

Ok?? These laws in NO WAY prevent law abiding citizens from arming themselves.

/Thread??

 

[RollyInRaleigh]

Ok?? These laws in NO WAY affect law abiding citizens from arming themselves.

/Thread??

...and getting the wrong people in control can change things in a hurry...it’s not like we haven’t seen things go berserk in 2 years.

 

[TJHall1]

Well yeah, those are all exactly the reasons that we need to be armed! /thread

Why for the last 4 years has Florida not experienced rampant abuse of these laws? Why for the last 4 years in Florida are innocent civilians not having their guns confiscated every day?

Why can no one answer these questions??

I know why, I just want to hear it from you clowns who think laws to keep guns out of crazies hands somehow means the Dems are coming to your house to seize your arms. It's hilarious.

 

[TJHall1]

...and getting the wrong people in control can change things in a hurry...it’s not like we haven’t seen things go berserk in 2 years.

If the state you're living in doesn't support the things you'd like I'd suggest moving to one that's not a shit hole.

 

[ChicagoFats]

Ok?? These laws in NO WAY prevent law abiding citizens from arming themselves.

/Thread??

And the gun laws in no way have stopped gun crime in the areas where they are enacted. Why is the onus on LAC?

 

[ChicagoFats]

Amazing you had to list it all...

And that was only a fraction of the list.

 

[RollyInRaleigh]

Red flag laws are the opening that the communists need to see something you post online that they deem “unstable” and send their goons to your door to take your guns. As long as you have the right people in your state in charge, you won’t see it...but that can change with one crooked election.