What controls you?

[IAmDamagedGoods]

We have a crutch in life. What do you wake up thinking about, can't get off your mind all day, & possibly even dream about at night? What holds you steady when you are broken & ready to crash? Some of us turn to alcohol. Some lean on family & friends. Some drugs, some hobbies, &, there are a few who manage to give God all the glory. This is for educational & entertaining purposes only but I am curious.

I give glory to God but not perfect by any means. I love cannabis & Percs. I've used cannabis for 28yrs. Mary Jane is my love. Unfortunately I've gotten a taste for pain pills because they numb everything.

 

[tiderollsonu]

 

[laterallyshaking]

This used to be pornography for me. I would wake up and look at it, I would go to the bathroom at work and look at porn, and I would look at it at night. It became my normal.

Thankfully these days this is no longer the case. The temptation to escape to these things is still there, but it has drastically decreased with a lot of prayer, meditation, and work. I don't even feel like I am the same person anymore. These days, I typically face things head-on and try to work through them as they come rather than escaping. I try to find the root cause of the desire to escape and work through it, and see if I can feed that desire with something healthy.

 

[GarnetPild]

 

[Edgehollow]

Mine's food. I come from a family of addicts. Most of my family are alcoholics, and I have a couple of hard-core drug users. I rarely drink, do pot even less, and other than after my motorcycle wreck don't do pain pills. But, I'm constantly obsessed with food (hence the reason I'm a fat ass).

I'm working on it...but it ain't easy.

Porn's a not-too-distant 2nd though.

 

[Uncle Muscles]

This used to be pornography for me. I would wake up and look at it, I would go to the bathroom at work and look at porn, and I would look at it at night. It became my normal.

Thankfully these days this is no longer the case. The temptation to escape to these things is still there, but it has drastically decreased with a lot of prayer, meditation, and work. I don't even feel like I am the same person anymore. These days, I typically face things head-on and try to work through them as they come rather than escaping. I try to find the root cause of the desire to escape and work through it, and see if I can feed that desire with something healthy.

Can relate

 

[ChicagoFats]

Used to be weed but I’ve given that up the past 6 months or so. Not any particular reason just wanted to stop smoking and can’t get any gummies easily.

Don’t feel like I have any crutches lately. Maybe food a little bit, maybe work a little bit but life’s to busy to focus on any one thing. I’m sure I’ll pick up one before too long though.

 

[shiv]

We have a crutch in life. What do you wake up thinking about, can't get off your mind all day, & possibly even dream about at night? What holds you steady when you are broken & ready to crash? Some of us turn to alcohol. Some lean on family & friends. Some drugs, some hobbies, &, there are a few who manage to give God all the glory. This is for educational & entertaining purposes only but I am curious.

I give glory to God but not perfect by any means. I love cannabis & Percs. I've used cannabis for 28yrs. Mary Jane is my love. Unfortunately I've gotten a taste for pain pills because they numb everything.

I used to be hard on the Percs. Tolerance is a bitch and then addiction is a disaster. Used to pump myself full of any drugs and alcohol available.

Been clean for a little while now, but my brain always loves to jerk me into this projects that completely consume me until all my dopamine is tapped out. Most all of them burn out. This Forum was one of the few that survives

I’ll go on obsessive video game binges at times, and definitely do some emotional eating

 

[IAmDamagedGoods]

I used to be hard on the Percs. Tolerance is a bitch and then addiction is a disaster. Used to pump myself full of any drugs and alcohol available.

Been clean for a little while now, but my brain always loves to jerk me into this projects that completely consume me until all my dopamine is tapped out. Most all of them burn out. This Forum was one of the few that survives

I’ll go on obsessive video game binges at times, and definitely do some emotional eating

What helped you get away from the pain pills? I ha e been using Kratom here recently because it's more natural & it dumbs down all the withdrawals. A huge plus is it's kind of difficult to take so I don't see how anyone can get addicted to it. I've heard of Suboxone, Subutex, & Methadone but I am scared of those because I feel, just by what I've seen in others, that they are just as addictive or worse then the pain pills.

 

[Rebarcock.]

What helped you get away from the pain pills? I ha e been using Kratom here recently because it's more natural & it dumbs down all the withdrawals. A huge plus is it's kind of difficult to take so I don't see how anyone can get addicted to it. I've heard of Suboxone, Subutex, & Methadone but I am scared of those because I feel, just by what I've seen in others, that they are just as addictive or worse then the pain pills.

Yeah you need to get off pills. 30 years ago I had a bad back. 5years later I finally had back surgery. For 5 years I ate pills. After surgery I wouldn't take them. I was dope sick for 2 weeks. Haven't eaten a pain pill since. Pills will take you straight to a gutter if a Dr isn't prescribing. Dopesick was was just like having the flu

 

[Jtrain80]

At 40 yrs old I have seen many many people ruin their lives from pain killers. I won't take anything more than a Tylenol even though I have rheumatoid arthritis and chronic back pain. The thc topical cream is amazing, but I get drug tested for work.

Nicotine would probably be my answer.

 

[shiv]

What helped you get away from the pain pills? I ha e been using Kratom here recently because it's more natural & it dumbs down all the withdrawals. A huge plus is it's kind of difficult to take so I don't see how anyone can get addicted to it. I've heard of Suboxone, Subutex, & Methadone but I am scared of those because I feel, just by what I've seen in others, that they are just as addictive or worse then the pain pills.

I had completely given up on life and recognized I was completely doomed and decided to go to an AA meeting as a last ditch effort

 

[Joe Kings]

Yeah you need to get off pills. 30 years ago I had a bad back. 5years later I finally had back surgery. For 5 years I ate pills. After surgery I wouldn't take them. I was dope sick for 2 weeks. Haven't eaten a pain pill since. Pills will take you straight to a gutter if a Dr isn't prescribing. Dopesick was was just like having the flu

I sometimes smoke weed. Like My buddy will give me some for coaching or just give me some.
Ill smoke through it in a few weeks, and when I stop I get the dopesick for 5-7 days. Feeling a little off, not bad, weird apatite where I cant finish food after being hungry. Sleep is tough and I sweat at night. Then its gone.

 

[weaponoffreedom]

talking shit to

I had completely given up on life and recognized I was completely doomed and decided to go to an AA meeting as a last ditch effort

Seems like "life" didnt give up on you. Weird

 

[IAmDamagedGoods]

Yeah you need to get off pills. 30 years ago I had a bad back. 5years later I finally had back surgery. For 5 years I ate pills. After surgery I wouldn't take them. I was dope sick for 2 weeks. Haven't eaten a pain pill since. Pills will take you straight to a gutter if a Dr isn't prescribing. Dopesick was was just like having the flu

I got into an accident when I was 16 where the vehicle I was in was hit by a train. I saw it coming so I did the worst possible thing, I tensed up & braced for impact. The motor was shoved up thru the firewall & shattered my ankle. The blood flow never returned to the bone so it is deteriorating. The docs have said an ankel fusion is inevitable & if that don't take I will have to have my foot amputated. I d alt with the pain for many many years without medication but it go so bad I started taking pain pills. Honestly tho I can handle physical pain so much better the the emotional shit. They really numb your mind & your heart as well & that is my real addiction. I don't want to feel emotions & that's hard because I'm a very empathetic person. I actually starting taking them a different way then just swallowing them & I've been trapped every since. The withdrawals are a mother fucker but Kratom does seem to help so very much. I'm a pretty private person, I've shared more with you guys here then I have any friends/family. I really want more from life then being an addict & miserable.

 

[IAmDamagedGoods]

I had completely given up on life and recognized I was completely doomed and decided to go to an AA meeting as a last ditch effort

Well I'm glad you found freedom from it. It is inspirational to me to know there is a way out & life can somewhat go back to normal. I'm proud of you dude & I am glad to have opportunity to know you..

 

[Rebarcock.]

I got into an accident when I was 16 where the vehicle I was in was hit by a train. I saw it coming so I did the worst possible thing, I tensed up & braced for impact. The motor was shoved up thru the firewall & shattered my ankle. The blood flow never returned to the bone so it is deteriorating. The docs have said an ankel fusion is inevitable & if that don't take I will have to have my foot amputated. I d alt with the pain for many many years without medication but it go so bad I started taking pain pills. Honestly tho I can handle physical pain so much better the the emotional shit. They really numb your mind & your heart as well & that is my real addiction. I don't want to feel emotions & that's hard because I'm a very empathetic person. I actually starting taking them a different way then just swallowing them & I've been trapped every since. The withdrawals are a mother fucker but Kratom does seem to help so very much. I'm a pretty private person, I've shared more with you guys here then I have any friends/family. I really want more from life then being an addict & miserable.

Yeah I've been in pretty severe pain since I was 13. Then after that steel worker problems.
If you want to kick it rent a hotel room for 2 weeks and don't leave. It sucks but think about how the addiction is ruining your life.
I'd advise go see a Dr/surgeon who can fix it now. They've made crazy advancements in repairing bodies the past 20 years.
Pain is a bitch. Believe me I get it

 

[Rebarcock.]

I sometimes smoke weed. Like My buddy will give me some for coaching or just give me some.
Ill smoke through it in a few weeks, and when I stop I get the dopesick for 5-7 days. Feeling a little off, not bad, weird apatite where I cant finish food after being hungry. Sleep is tough and I sweat at night. Then its gone.

Yeah ok Cheech lol

 

[Jtrain80]

I got into an accident when I was 16 where the vehicle I was in was hit by a train. I saw it coming so I did the worst possible thing, I tensed up & braced for impact. The motor was shoved up thru the firewall & shattered my ankle. The blood flow never returned to the bone so it is deteriorating. The docs have said an ankel fusion is inevitable & if that don't take I will have to have my foot amputated. I d alt with the pain for many many years without medication but it go so bad I started taking pain pills. Honestly tho I can handle physical pain so much better the the emotional shit. They really numb your mind & your heart as well & that is my real addiction. I don't want to feel emotions & that's hard because I'm a very empathetic person. I actually starting taking them a different way then just swallowing them & I've been trapped every since. The withdrawals are a mother fucker but Kratom does seem to help so very much. I'm a pretty private person, I've shared more with you guys here then I have any friends/family. I really want more from life then being an addict & miserable.

Is the train wreck what caused the swelling in your upper torso?


So sorry, I couldn't resist. Please don't take offense.

 

[TopHook]

Undefeated.

 

[GarnetPild]

At 40 yrs old I have seen many many people ruin their lives from pain killers. I won't take anything more than a Tylenol even though I have rheumatoid arthritis and chronic back pain. The thc topical cream is amazing, but I get drug tested for work.

Nicotine would probably be my answer.

My mom does not have RA but does have pretty bad arthritis in her hands. I got her some cbd cream with zero thc, and it works better than anti-inflammatory pills like advil.

 

[Jtrain80]

My mom does not have RA but does have pretty bad arthritis in her hands. I got her some cbd cream with zero thc, and it works better than anti-inflammatory pills like advil.

The cream w THC in it does not get you high. Just makes you test positive.

 

[AmericanViking]

At 40 yrs old I have seen many many people ruin their lives from pain killers. I won't take anything more than a Tylenol even though I have rheumatoid arthritis and chronic back pain. The thc topical cream is amazing, but I get drug tested for work.

Nicotine would probably be my answer.

Look up studies on hydroxychloroquine and RA. Doc put a friend of mine on it and he notices a big difference.

 

[GarnetPild]

The cream w THC in it does not get you high. Just makes you test positive.

Correct. I am saying if you have to pass a drug test, they make cbd cream with no thc in it, and it works well to reduce inflammation.

 

[AmericanViking]

Alcohol here. Liquor specifically is my hobby. The only hobby I have. I’ve tried to get into other stuff or back into things I used to enjoy but no luck. The easiest time I ever had quitting was when I used pot. I loved it and I felt great but my memory got really bad and it already sucks due to a head injury when I was 23. Plus some other concussions. Pot is the only way I can sit down and really get into a movie and not feel impatient. My oldest son and I watched a lot of stuff together during that time.

Just gonna keep on keeping on and hope my body heals. Maybe eventually I’ll find something a truly enjoy again

 

[champsballs]

I used to be hard on the Percs. Tolerance is a bitch and then addiction is a disaster. Used to pump myself full of any drugs and alcohol available.

Been clean for a little while now, but my brain always loves to jerk me into this projects that completely consume me until all my dopamine is tapped out. Most all of them burn out. This Forum was one of the few that survives

I’ll go on obsessive video game binges at times, and definitely do some emotional eating

I’ve never really talked about this in a serious way but you need to hear it.
I know I say a lot of stupid shit on here and nobody takes me serious but opiates is no joke.
about 6 years ago I had some unlucky medical stuff that happened all within 6 months and multiple Drs gave me unlimited supply of meds cuz they messed me up pretty good. Anything I wanted all types of opiates and benzos and went on almost a year I was so hooked and didn’t even realize it. I already knew my way around the darkweb getting Rec stuff so when they shut me off it was just as easy to get what I wanted, I went to school for IT stuff so it was easy. It Didn’t take long to get into the really strong counterfeit pain stuff cuz the real stuff was way too expensive. My first OD was feb 2016. I somehow snapped back to life but to see my best friend laying limp on the floor getting chest compressions I was pissed they didn’t help him first but they said I was coded out and worse shape. He made it but it was my stuff and I got him to try it with me I almost got him killed, didn’t know if he was alive or not until I saw him in the hospital. There’s no worse feeling in the world than thinking your best friend is dead and your fault. Couldn’t shake the addiction and ODd again about 8 months later by myself. Was on a breathing tube a few hours before they got me back to life but I never should of made it. I had a 1 year old son at the time and the thought of him growing up without me really freaked me out. Since I live in bfe there wasn’t many options to get help the closest thing was a methadone clinic about an hour away. Got stuck in that program about 5 years and not able to get completely off it, finally grew a pair and went to a detox place in Michigan this April to get off the methadone. Was the most most fucked up experience of my life but completely worth it. I have 2 boys age 5 and 7 and I can’t stomach the thought of them growing up without a dad or some other dad that isn’t me. I go through withdrawals almost every day, the methadone gets into your bones after taking it for so long it will be at least 6-12 more months before it’s out of my system but I’ve accepted it. God didn’t keep me on this earth to be a pussy I have 2 kids to raise.
Anytime you think about those percs or any other pills just remember the chances of your kids being raised by some other dude goes way up.
If u ever need to talk u know how to find me

Yeah I've been in pretty severe pain since I was 13. Then after that steel worker problems.
If you want to kick it rent a hotel room for 2 weeks and don't leave. It sucks but think about how the addiction is ruining your life.
I'd advise go see a Dr/surgeon who can fix it now. They've made crazy advancements in repairing bodies the past 20 years.
Pain is a bitch. Believe me I get it

Is there hookers and blow in this hypothetical hotel room? Not sure that would be good for sobriety dude

 

[Rebarcock.]

I’ve never really talked about this in a serious way but you need to hear it.
I know I say a lot of stupid shit on here and nobody takes me serious but opiates is no joke.
about 6 years ago I had some unlucky medical stuff that happened all within 6 months and multiple Drs gave me unlimited supply of meds cuz they messed me up pretty good. Anything I wanted all types of opiates and benzos and went on almost a year I was so hooked and didn’t even realize it. I already knew my way around the darkweb getting Rec stuff so when they shut me off it was just as easy to get what I wanted, I went to school for IT stuff so it was easy. It Didn’t take long to get into the really strong counterfeit pain stuff cuz the real stuff was way too expensive. My first OD was feb 2016. I somehow snapped back to life but to see my best friend laying limp on the floor getting chest compressions I was pissed they didn’t help him first but they said I was coded out and worse shape. He made it but it was my stuff and I got him to try it with me I almost got him killed, didn’t know if he was alive or not until I saw him in the hospital. There’s no worse feeling in the world than thinking your best friend is dead and your fault. Couldn’t shake the addiction and ODd again about 8 months later by myself. Was on a breathing tube a few hours before they got me back to life but I never should of made it. I had a 1 year old son at the time and the thought of him growing up without me really freaked me out. Since I live in bfe there wasn’t many options to get help the closest thing was a methadone clinic about an hour away. Got stuck in that program about 5 years and not able to get completely off it, finally grew a pair and went to a detox place in Michigan this April to get off the methadone. Was the most most fucked up experience of my life but completely worth it. I have 2 boys age 5 and 7 and I can’t stomach the thought of them growing up without a dad or some other dad that isn’t me. I go through withdrawals almost every day, the methadone gets into your bones after taking it for so long it will be at least 6-12 more months before it’s out of my system but I’ve accepted it. God didn’t keep me on this earth to be a pussy I have 2 kids to raise.
Anytime you think about those percs or any other pills just remember the chances of your kids being raised by some other dude goes way up.
If u ever need to talk u know how to find me


Is there hookers and blow in this hypothetical hotel room? Not sure that would be good for sobriety dude

I meant to just detox in the hotel

 

[champsballs]

What helped you get away from the pain pills? I ha e been using Kratom here recently because it's more natural & it dumbs down all the withdrawals. A huge plus is it's kind of difficult to take so I don't see how anyone can get addicted to it. I've heard of Suboxone, Subutex, & Methadone but I am scared of those because I feel, just by what I've seen in others, that they are just as addictive or worse then the pain pills.

Stay very far away from methadone and the others it will get you nowhere and it’s a very very low chance you would be able to titrate completely off of it. I was stuck on it for a long time 5 years after od or 3 on hard stuff. Was at a legit clinic with doctors and every time I tried to lower dose to get off of it I would get halfway there and the withdrawals were hardcore on top of any medical issues it made go crazy like blood pressure etc. so they would make me stop and raise the dose back up. Only way I got off it was taking very drastic measure went to an opiate detox place where they strapped me to a bed and flushed my system for a few days. Even though they flushed what they could the withdrawals were hell for months after that, when you’re on an opiate that long of a time it gets in your bones and takes almost as long to get out. It’s been 5 months now and still get dopesick a lot of mornings it really messes with my bp and guts. But I’m not a pussy so it is what it is and I’m still alive

 

[weaponoffreedom]

I meant to just detox in the hotel

sure

 

[Edgehollow]

sure

The condoms are "just in case".

- @Rebarcock.

 

[weaponoffreedom]

I got into an accident when I was 16 where the vehicle I was in was hit by a train. I saw it coming so I did the worst possible thing, I tensed up & braced for impact. The motor was shoved up thru the firewall & shattered my ankle. The blood flow never returned to the bone so it is deteriorating. The docs have said an ankel fusion is inevitable & if that don't take I will have to have my foot amputated. I d alt with the pain for many many years without medication but it go so bad I started taking pain pills. Honestly tho I can handle physical pain so much better the the emotional shit. They really numb your mind & your heart as well & that is my real addiction. I don't want to feel emotions & that's hard because I'm a very empathetic person. I actually starting taking them a different way then just swallowing them & I've been trapped every since. The withdrawals are a mother fucker but Kratom does seem to help so very much. I'm a pretty private person, I've shared more with you guys here then I have any friends/family. I really want more from life then being an addict & miserable.

even more than your husband?

 

[Rebarcock.]

The condoms are "just in case".

- @Rebarcock.

Same reason for clean underwear

 

[noleology]

 

[AmericanViking]

Same reason for clean underwear

And booty cleaners so you can stay rim job ready

 

[Deleted member 2886]

"Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food"

Sure i am being a total fuckin hypocrite quoting this, stoned as fuck.

All addiction arise from failure to maintain the whole organism in a balanced state of homeostasis.

•Psychologically.

•Emotionally.

•Physically.

•Spiritually.

Think of these as the four tyres on a vehicle.

If one is flat, the other three are forced carry extra load, and ya'll probably know what driving with a flat is like.

Yes, sometimes harmful external influences beyond ones control, will cause imbalance.
Yet more often than not, harmful things that are absolutely within ones capacity to control are subjectively-falsely rationalized as if to be the culprit.

Effectively one becomes enslaved to delusion that one both hates and loves.

i am doing it right now, i love getting stoned,...and yet if i refrain,...then i have to endure the reality of the isolation imposed by these fuckin hostile covaids pushing retards.

It is not that the isolation elicits any subjective negativity for/of ones-self, rather it's the sad reality that the jabbed up sheeple wearing masks and constantly sick or dying,...still behave like the unjabbed—unmasked—healthy guy who hasn't been sick for many years, is somehow the cause of all their suffering.

i want nothing more than to help everyone see through the illusion, and i try again and again,...yet no one seems capable of taking self responsibility.

It's obviously easier to simply project their own disregarded accountabilities on an innocent scapegoat that they may feel a temporary false sense of relief.

This is not unlike what occurs every damn time i attempt to help others by posting what i have in this—and many other posts.

i don't know what is going on in others minds, but i would help anyone and everyone if i could.

i want the best for everyone, yet it's like the majority of others are the complete opposite and want nothing but suffering for all,...probably coz it allows them to feel as though they ain't pieces of shit if everyone else suffers as they do.

It is insanity.

 

[weaponoffreedom]

"Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food"

Sure i am being a total fuckin hypocrite quoting this, stoned as fuck.

All addiction arise from failure to maintain the whole organism in a balanced state of homeostasis.

•Psychologically.

•Emotionally.

•Physically.

•Spiritually.

Think of these as the four tyres on a vehicle.

If one is flat, the other three are forced carry extra load, and ya'll probably know what driving with a flat is like.

Yes, sometimes harmful external influences beyond ones control, will cause imbalance.
Yet more often than not, harmful things that are absolutely within ones capacity to control are subjectively-falsely rationalized as if to be the culprit.

Effectively one becomes enslaved to delusion that one both hates and loves.

i am doing it right now, i love getting stoned,...and yet if i refrain,...then i have to endure the reality of the isolation imposed by these fuckin hostile covaids pushing retards.

It is not that the isolation elicits any subjective negativity for/of ones-self, rather it's the sad reality that the jabbed up sheeple wearing masks and constantly sick or dying,...still behave like the unjabbed—unmasked—healthy guy who hasn't been sick for many years, is somehow the cause of all their suffering.

i want nothing more than to help everyone see through the illusion, and i try again and again,...yet no one seems capable of taking self responsibility.

It's obviously easier to simply project their own disregarded accountabilities on an innocent scapegoat that they may feel a temporary false sense of relief.

This is not unlike what occurs every damn time i attempt to help others by posting what i have in this—and many other posts.

i don't know what is going on in others minds, but i would help anyone and everyone if i could.

i want the best for everyone, yet it's like the majority of others are the complete opposite and want nothing but suffering for all,...probably coz it allows them to feel as though they ain't pieces of shit if everyone else suffers as they do.

It is insanity.

I am sorry, my friend, but we do not agree, about addiction.

Weakness, and maybe better explained as lack of strength or devotion, or cause, or discipline is the reason for addiction.

Liking to get high, and having to do so to cope are two different things.

Most do not want to see the truth.

 

[Rebarcock.]

I am sorry, my friend, but we do not agree, about addiction.

Weakness, and maybe better explained as lack of strength or devotion, or cause, or discipline is the reason for addiction.

Liking to get high, and having to do so to cope are two different things.

Most do not want to see the truth.

I'll say as far as prescriptions go I disagree.
My back was fucked for 5 yrs but I still had to fabricate steel. So I ate pain pills and muscle relaxers to work. I boozed and ate pills to sleep.
My need to work forced me to eat the pills not will power or devotion.
Now to get off them did take will power

 

[IAmDamagedGoods]

even more than your husb

even more than your husband?

I disclosed more then I ever should have to him. He taught me that somethings are better left to myself. I do share with you guys shit I can NOT share with him because it turns into a fucking argument. Fortunately I could give a shit what anyone else thinks of me & unfortunately his opinion has mattered so much that I've let it change me & I walk on eggshells constantly.

 

[Fansong1977]

Nothing, I just deal with it as best that I can.

 

[Deleted member 2886]

I am sorry, my friend, but we do not agree, about addiction.

Weakness, and maybe better explained as lack of strength or devotion, or cause, or discipline is the reason for addiction.

Liking to get high, and having to do so to cope are two different things.

Most do not want to see the truth.

Hey all is perfectly fine mate, there's no need of apology here.
For real, i do appreciate the respectful intention behind this gesture nonetheless.
Cheers aye.

Interestingly,...i do fully concur with your shared insight for this perspective regarding:- "...the [*reason] for addiction".

Coz it is also an accurately descriptive assessment correlated with my own established—subjective perceptions and conceptions too.

Just spit ballin here, but i think maybe,......the current proficiency level of my—"on the fly"—self taught—DIY writing style,......may be an issue (*yet again) with my previous post.

[And,...ffs...aye, i do seem to've lost focus about midway, randomly drifting off into nonsensically twerplified stoner ramblings.]

i reckon a significant influence at play here, is arising due to my particular—uncommonly known, nor comprehended-philosophical/Spiritual inclinations.
[*being largely Anthroposophical(*the uncorrupted O.G. form)]

*Cliffs:-
i think we're"seeing" the same thing here,...(*re; "addiction"),...though from differing "angles" &/or of differing "aspects".[¿?]

•Of the:- "Cause",...
...&...
•...of the:- "Effects".

imo, both these are logically valid perspectives,...which may or may not appear overtly exclusive of one another, but actually align perfectly,...as they are of the Reality.

*oh,...and,...yeah fuckin aye,... i totally agree:-"...most do not want to see the truth".

We[*mankind], seem to have been tricked into unwittingly adopting strategically designed and utterly ineffective core cognitive & conceptual processes—which manifest self perpetuating feedback loops.

We see proof of this fuckin everywhere these days.

Like with consumers/adopters of, as far as i can tell, all the standardized- "official", &/or "consensus" defined modern ideological—"Brands".
[*"Viral Memetics"]

•"pro"-this, "anti"-that, "don't think about it, just become "it", join the herd."

Unconsciously integrating "it" as a core aspect of "self"-"identity".

Viola!,..."seeds" of circular reasoning & distorted perception soon "germinate".

That's why so many are fundamentally incapable of independent abstraction(*though pridefully believing otherwise while unconsciously repeating established patterns.),......let alone refraining from irrational reactivity whenever confronted with contradiction.



Cheers