Ukraine Conflict

[Jake Broe Stan]

OK... then you guys pay for it. It's right in your backyard. And if you look at polls most Americans are tired of this war and feel we are throwing money away.... which we are.

False and false.

Americans know how important it is to cripple Russia once and for all.

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

The cucking of Russia continues! Slava America! Slava Ukraini!

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

AFU has broken the Russian forces and their trenches.

 

[grimm515]

Sorry to hear your boy.

Germany fought Russia in WW 1 & 2. Lost both times.

Russia surrendered to Germany in WW1. At least understand basic history.

 

[Jtrain80]

Russia surrendered to Germany in WW1. At least understand basic history.

I thought Russia agreed to exit the war, not surrender. Did Germany win?

 

[Stray]

OK... then you guys pay for it. It's right in your backyard. And if you look at polls most Americans are tired of this war and feel we are throwing money away.... which we are.

Took me 1 minute to google a poll where a majority of Americans support more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia.

 

[Stray]

Sorry to hear your boy.

Germany fought Russia in WW 1 & 2. Lost both times.

My question is "Do you want Germany involved in the Ukraine war and to what extent?"

I have also heard that Germany is having an energy crisis... or that the cost of electricity is through the roof. Could you confirm this?

Always best to get information from regular people on the ground.

Thanks.

Germany is part of NATO, so Germany cannot be actively drawn into the war, because that would invoke NATO's mutual assistance article, which would draw all NATO members into the war with Russia as well. Where that would end, everyone can imagine. So what we do is sending weapons and ammunition and help ukrainians to defend themselfs. And yes, we should be able to defend ourselves and not rely on the US all the time.

You are right about one thing, we had a shortage of strategic natural gas reserves over the first winter after Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine to get through the winter without any problems or savings, because Russia used a broken turbine as an excuse to withhold natural gas supplies from us. A majority of Germans were willing to go through a cold winter without these supplies because no one wanted to buy natural gas from an aggressor. Thanks to Dutch and other suppliers from Qatar, for example, it was possible to compensate for the lack of Russian supplies. There were also deliveries from the USA of LPG, but for us this means that we have to build appropriate terminals for such deliveries. Personally, I think that Europe and especially Germany as an industrial nation must make itself independent of suppliers, because an old dependency is just as dangerous as a new one. If Trump were to become president again, he would, similar to Putin, use energy as a means of pressure against Europe or Germany without hesitation. At the same time, the Nord Stream 2 project was discontinued, through which Germany and also parts of Europe should have been supplied with cheap natural gas from Russia in the future. However, there are currently no shortages of natural gas or other energies. Europe, and especially Germany, is currently in transition from fossil fuels to sustainable energies such as wind and solar. While prices rose due to shortages in the first year of the Ukraine war, prices for consumers are currently almost back to pre-war levels. So nobody had to freeze here, only natural gas became more expensive, at times by a factor of four due to dubious suppliers. But as always and everywhere in the world, there are always people that had to suffer.

Electricity was actually never a real problem, just natural gas for heating. Allthough electricity became a little more expensive as well during the first year of ukrainian war as everything became more expensive. But never to an extend where people cannot pay their rent anymore. Of course fake news media in Russia and even the US have reported that we weren't able to take a shower anymore and 5 people had to share the water of one bath tub. Which is nonsense. The fact that germans shut down all their nuclear plants as of this year is one of the biggest mistakes ever. Fun fact, now we import french nuclear power.

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

Thanks.

Germany is part of NATO, so Germany cannot be actively drawn into the war, because that would invoke NATO's mutual assistance article, which would draw all NATO members into the war with Russia as well. Where that would end, everyone can imagine. So what we do is sending weapons and ammunition and help ukrainians to defend themselfs. And yes, we should be able to defend ourselves and not rely on the US all the time.

You are right about one thing, we had a shortage of strategic natural gas reserves over the first winter after Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine to get through the winter without any problems or savings, because Russia used a broken turbine as an excuse to withhold natural gas supplies from us. A majority of Germans were willing to go through a cold winter without these supplies because no one wanted to buy natural gas from an aggressor. Thanks to Dutch and other suppliers from Qatar, for example, it was possible to compensate for the lack of Russian supplies. There were also deliveries from the USA of LPG, but for us this means that we have to build appropriate terminals for such deliveries. Personally, I think that Europe and especially Germany as an industrial nation must make itself independent of suppliers, because an old dependency is just as dangerous as a new one. If Trump were to become president again, he would, similar to Putin, use energy as a means of pressure against Europe or Germany without hesitation. At the same time, the Nord Stream 2 project was discontinued, through which Germany and also parts of Europe should have been supplied with cheap natural gas from Russia in the future. However, there are currently no shortages of natural gas or other energies. Europe, and especially Germany, is currently in transition from fossil fuels to sustainable energies such as wind and solar. While prices rose due to shortages in the first year of the Ukraine war, prices for consumers are currently almost back to pre-war levels. So nobody had to freeze here, only natural gas became more expensive, at times by a factor of four due to dubious suppliers. But as always and everywhere in the world, there are always people that had to suffer.

Electricity was actually never a real problem, just natural gas for heating. Allthough electricity became a little more expensive as well during the first year of ukrainian war as everything became more expensive. But never to an extend where people cannot pay their rent anymore. Of course fake news media in Russia and even the US have reported that we weren't able to take a shower anymore and 5 people had to share the water of one bath tub. Which is nonsense. The fact that germans shut down all their nuclear plants as of this year is one of the biggest mistakes ever. Fun fact, now we import french nuclear power.

No wonder posters in the dancing thread want you to leave. You’re not an idiot and know right from wrong.

 

[Stray]

No wonder posters in the dancing thread want you to leave. You’re not an idiot and know right from wrong.

They want me to leave? Didn't notice.

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

They want me to leave? Didn't notice.

Keep being you. These commie stans need to read the truth!

 

[Stray]

I thought Russia agreed to exit the war, not surrender. Did Germany win?

After the October Revolution, the Bolshevik government under Lenin pushed for a peace treaty to maintain Russia's internal stability.

The Supreme German Army Command saw the armistice in the East as a chance to still win the war in the West. Thus it was not a real surrender of the russians, rather a necessity due to internal circumstances.

 

[Jtrain80]

After the October Revolution, the Bolshevik government under Lenin pushed for a peace treaty to maintain Russia's internal stability.

The Supreme German Army Command saw the armistice in the East as a chance to still win the war in the West. Thus it was not a real surrender of the russians, rather a necessity due to internal circumstances.

One more question, then I will leave you alone. What is the consensus among the common people about the Nord Stream pipeline fiasco? Glad you aren't buying from Russia or pissed that someone messed with your infrastructure?

 

[Stray]

One more question, then I will leave you alone. What is the consensus among the common people about the Nord Stream pipeline fiasco? Glad you aren't buying from Russia or pissed that someone messed with your infrastructure?

Do you mean that the pipeline was destroyed or the fact that Germany did not intend to buy Russian gas through it anyway? The pipeline itself belongs to the Russians (Gazprom), it was only financed with German taxpayer money. The fact that it has now been so massively destroyed doesn't really hurt us. We now have sufficient alternative sources for gas. For me there are two options. The Ukrainians have destroyed the pipeline in order to cut off Russia's massive gas revenues. Or the Russians did it themselves, knowing that the pipeline is now useless. By destroying it, they could present themselves to the world as victims. Such an underwater operation is extremely difficult, there are not many countries that could do something like that. If the ukrainians did it, Chapeau! We will see what the final investigation show. But I'd say 80% of the germans are ok with it, 20% just look for cheap stuff, like gas, electronics, cars, food and don't like it.

 

[Jtrain80]

Do you mean that the pipeline was destroyed or the fact that Germany did not intend to buy Russian gas through it anyway? The pipeline itself belongs to the Russians (Gazprom), it was only financed with German taxpayer money. The fact that it has now been so massively destroyed doesn't really hurt us. We now have sufficient alternative sources for gas. For me there are two options. The Ukrainians have destroyed the pipeline in order to cut off Russia's massive gas revenues. Or the Russians did it themselves, knowing that the pipeline is now useless. By destroying it, they could present themselves to the world as victims. Such an underwater operation is extremely difficult, there are not many countries that could do something like that. If the ukrainians did it, Chapeau! We will see what the final investigation show. But I'd say 80% of the germans are ok with it, 20% just look for cheap stuff, like gas, electronics, cars, food and don't like it.

Wait. Germany financed it? Is Russia going to pack the note?

 

[Stray]

Wait. Germany financed it? Is Russia going to pack the note?

Not only germany, it's an coop of Germany, France, Austria, Great Britain/Netherlands and Finland. They all participated in the financing of the pipeline project as lenders. Germany would not have been the only recipient of Russian gas. The NS2 only ended in Germany. From there there are further connections to the rest of Europe.

 

[hmt5000]

Took me 1 minute to google a poll where a majority of Americans support more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/index.html

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia​

By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director
Updated 6:11 AM EDT, Fri August 4, 2023

Even CNN is admitting it. CNN is basically the cia mouthpiece.

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/index.html

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia​

By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director
Updated 6:11 AM EDT, Fri August 4, 2023

Even CNN is admitting it. CNN is basically the cia mouthpiece.

Outlier poll.

 

[hmt5000]

Outlier poll.

https://www.businessinsider.com/new...re-growing-tired-of-supporting-ukraine-2022-9

You have to look at trends too. People aren't getting more pro war... they are moving against war and each month the numbers keep moving toward peace.

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

https://www.businessinsider.com/new...re-growing-tired-of-supporting-ukraine-2022-9

You have to look at trends too. People aren't getting more pro war... they are moving against war and each month the numbers keep moving toward peace.

Yeah the trend is towards peace and there can be no peace while Russia occupies Ukrainian land and commits genocide.

The world knows this. The way to keep Russia from invading Ukraine again, in 5-10 years, is to make sure Russia can’t ever attack ANY other neighbor EVER again.

 

[hmt5000]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-zelenskyy-fires-military-conscription-officials-corruption/


WORLD

Zelenskyy fires Ukrainian military conscription officials in anti-corruption drive​

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Friday dismissed officials in charge of military conscription across each region of the country, citing corruption allegations that he said could amount to treason.

"We are dismissing all regional military commissars," Zelenskyy said in a post on social media, following a meeting with senior military leadership.

"This system should be run by people who know exactly what war is and why cynicism and bribery at a time of war is high treason," he added.



Kyiv has been conscripting Ukrainians for assault battalions for its counteroffensive against Russian forces in an effort to recapture territory controlled by Moscow's troops.
The move reflects Ukraine's efforts to clamp down on graft and corruption as part of sweeping reforms requested by Western institutions like the European Union, which Ukraine hopes to join.
"During the inspection of the territorial recruitment centres, law enforcement agencies exposed cases of corruption," the presidency said in a s



said Ukraine's general mobilisation was a key area in which inspectors had uncovered instances of foul play.
These "pose a threat to Ukraine's national security and undermine confidence in state institutions," the statement said.
It added that Ukraine's security council recommended that the head of the army select replacements who have battlefield experience and were vetted by Ukraine's intelligence services.
© 2023 AFP. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-zelenskyy-fires-military-conscription-officials-corruption/

WORLD

Zelenskyy fires Ukrainian military conscription officials in anti-corruption drive​

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Friday dismissed officials in charge of military conscription across each region of the country, citing corruption allegations that he said could amount to treason.

"We are dismissing all regional military commissars," Zelenskyy said in a post on social media, following a meeting with senior military leadership.

"This system should be run by people who know exactly what war is and why cynicism and bribery at a time of war is high treason," he added.



Kyiv has been conscripting Ukrainians for assault battalions for its counteroffensive against Russian forces in an effort to recapture territory controlled by Moscow's troops.
The move reflects Ukraine's efforts to clamp down on graft and corruption as part of sweeping reforms requested by Western institutions like the European Union, which Ukraine hopes to join.
"During the inspection of the territorial recruitment centres, law enforcement agencies exposed cases of corruption," the presidency said in a s



said Ukraine's general mobilisation was a key area in which inspectors had uncovered instances of foul play.
These "pose a threat to Ukraine's national security and undermine confidence in state institutions," the statement said.
It added that Ukraine's security council recommended that the head of the army select replacements who have battlefield experience and were vetted by Ukraine's intelligence services.
© 2023 AFP. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Good for Zelensky! Nobody can say he isn’t trying to clean up any corruption that might exist in the country!

 

[Stray]

Good for Zelensky! Nobody can say he isn’t trying to clean up any corruption that might exist in the country!

In contrast to russia, where the entire government is corrupt.

 

[Jtrain80]

Not only germany, it's an coop of Germany, France, Austria, Great Britain/Netherlands and Finland. They all participated in the financing of the pipeline project as lenders. Germany would not have been the only recipient of Russian gas. The NS2 only ended in Germany. From there there are further connections to the rest of Europe.

That's interesting, thanks for sharing. I am in oil and gas, but the upstream side.

All we hear is that we are one the few countries with the means and motive to orchestrate an event. Which an attack on infrastructure is an act of war, but we are both a member of NATO.


Are you familiar with the Eisenwerk Erla foundry? A company started in the 1300's is still open in the 21st century? And survived how many wars? An article I just read said they were trying to organize their finance and start back up.

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

Russia is cementing over Wagner burial sites!

Wagner troops outraged as cemetery full of dead soldiers covered in cement

Vladimir Putin has been accused of carrying out a 'Stalinist' purge of the Wagner group after Russian officials bulldozed a cemetery of mercenary fighters.

www.express.co.uk

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

Slava America! Slava Ukraini!

 

[Stray]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/index.html

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia​

By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director
Updated 6:11 AM EDT, Fri August 4, 2023

Even CNN is admitting it. CNN is basically the cia mouthpiece.

Can't you get kicked out of your Trump clique for citing CNN as a reputable source? Be careful!

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

Lots of VDV patches recently. Russia is nearly out of all strategic reserves. Main lines broken in multiple areas.

Slava America. Slava Ukraini.

 

[hmt5000]

Lots of VDV patches recently. Russia is nearly out of all strategic reserves. Main lines broken in multiple areas.

Slava America. Slava Ukraini.

Russia has 250,000 men still not in theater. Ukr is out of Storm Shadow missiles already.... The west is scrambling to get more missiles for them but nobody wants to give up their stockpiles with the world being how it be..... We are trying to get South Korea to donate missiles to Ukr... I wonder why SK would want to hold on to their stockpiles?

 

[Stray]

Russia has 250,000 men still not in theater. Ukr is out of Storm Shadow missiles already.... The west is scrambling to get more missiles for them but nobody wants to give up their stockpiles with the world being how it be..... We are trying to get South Korea to donate missiles to Ukr... I wonder why SK would want to hold on to their stockpiles?

I wouldn't read too much into it. Ukraine is also excellent at playing with information. If they say they have no more SS, then they probably still have enough. Same with the Neptune or other cruise missiles. And Russia has men, but many unmotivated, poorly equipped and heavy weapons certainly not. What Russia does have, on the other hand, is stupid artillery ammunition, with which they could probably shit all over Ukraine. The original goal of chasing away the alleged Nazis has been abandoned in the meantime. At the moment it is rather a Russian defensive battle. Russia used to have the second largest army in the world, today they still have the second largest in Ukraine. And anyone who saw the last military parade in Moscow should know what the situation is with the tanks. All the years before there were hundreds of tanks to see, this year one from the cold war. Putin is not celebrated by many Russians, he is feared. He will suffer the same fate as so many dictators before him. Rope or bullet.

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

Russia has 250,000 men still not in theater. Ukr is out of Storm Shadow missiles already.... The west is scrambling to get more missiles for them but nobody wants to give up their stockpiles with the world being how it be..... We are trying to get South Korea to donate missiles to Ukr... I wonder why SK would want to hold on to their stockpiles?

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

Slava America! Slava Ukraini!

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

Russia has 250,000 men still not in theater. Ukr is out of Storm Shadow missiles already.... The west is scrambling to get more missiles for them but nobody wants to give up their stockpiles with the world being how it be..... We are trying to get South Korea to donate missiles to Ukr... I wonder why SK would want to hold on to their stockpiles?

Congress has already agreed to supply more aid to Ukraine. America meant it when we committed to being there for Ukraine against you commie fuck stains!

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/23/white-house-ukraine-war-aid-congress-support

The Biden administration has told Ukraine and other European allies that despite "dissonant voices" in the Republican Party, there is bipartisan support in Congress for continued U.S. military aid to Ukraine, White House National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan says.

Why it matters: There are growing concerns in Kyiv and among U.S. allies in Europe that more and more Republicans on Capitol Hill will oppose aid to Ukraine as the 2024 election draws closer — potentially jeopardizing efforts to repel Russia's invasion there.

What they're saying: Sullivan said in a briefing Tuesday there are "strong" Republican voices in the House and the Senate "in key leadership positions" who support continuing U.S. aid to Ukraine.

• "We believe that the support will be there and will be sustained," Sullivan said, despite some "dissonant voices" among Republicans.
• "Our view is that (Ukraine and U.S. allies in Europe) have confidence that the U.S. will continue to be there, as we have committed to be."

Behind the scenes: An ambassador of one European country confirmed to Axios that his government has received assurances in recent days from senior U.S. officials that the Biden administration is confident it will get the support it needs in Congress to continue aid to Ukraine.

• The European ambassador said his government had determined that a majority in Congress favor continuing U.S. aid to Ukraine.

 

[CDDP]

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

Russia continues to sustain at least a 2:1 casualty ratio compared to AFU. Equipment losses heavily favor Ukraine as well with at least a 2:1 ratio however in most cases the Russian losses are closer to 3:1 in equipment compared to the Ukrainians. Given Ukraine’s material superiority over Russia all we have to do is sit back and enjoy the destruction of the Russian state!

 

[Jtrain80]

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

Ukraine continues to drive the invaders from their soil with over 2:1 personnel and equipment losses! Slava America! Slava Ukraini!

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

Ukraine is breaching multiple points of the 2nd defensive line as of two days ago!

 

[Jake Broe Stan]

The Russians are monsters!