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[ChicagoFats]

Market closes at 3973. got a little rally off the fed minutes,

 

[quickfeet]

I guess at this point the idea that gold is an inflation hedge is completely obliterated. I legitimately feel bad for the gold bug investors. I got caught up in the hype about 10 years back, but thank goodness I dropped out of that mindset

 

[ChicagoFats]

Begs the question, what IS an inflation hedge?

 

[shiv]

Begs the question, what IS an inflation hedge?

Real estate?

 

[ChicagoFats]

Real estate?

Agreed. I was thinking real estate and equities (stock market). Those two have performed well since the money printing began after covid.

Gold, BTC and a few other things have not lived up to their expectations.

 

[American Deplorable]

Agreed. I was thinking real estate and equities (stock market). Those two have performed well since the money printing began after covid.

Gold, BTC and a few other things have not lived up to their expectations.

Demand.

Houses and products (blue chip companies) are in demand.

Gold and Bitcoin aren’t. The “world / economic system is coming to an end” folks are eating more and more crow by the day and it’s reflected in the demand for those products.

Buying the dip is making stocks even more attractive right now.

 

[American Deplorable]

 

[quickfeet]

Agreed. I was thinking real estate and equities (stock market). Those two have performed well since the money printing began after covid.

Gold, BTC and a few other things have not lived up to their expectations.

I think equities is a great answer that is not obvious to many because it's kind of hidden in plain sight

 

[quickfeet]

Let's go! Time to start moving back in the right direction

 

[ChicagoFats]

Let's go! Time to start moving back in the right direction

Bear market rally the past few days? S&P 500 closed at 4150 yesterday which seems high to be honest.

Got another inflation report on Friday, expect things to shake up before then.

 

[shiv]

Shit hitting the fan tomorrow?

 

[American Deplorable]

Shit hitting the fan tomorrow?

Sure seems that way

 

[shiv]

Sure seems that way

Crypto markets rocked. Rates are skyrocketing, could get real messy the next few months.

 

[American Deplorable]

Crypto markets rocked. Rates are skyrocketing, could get real messy the next few months.

“Real messy” could end up being the understatement of the century.

I’m really disappointed I didn’t get in on energy while it was down under Trump. I’d have generational wealth if I had.

 

[shiv]

“Real messy” could end up being the understatement of the century.

I’m really disappointed I didn’t get in on energy while it was down under Trump. I’d have generational wealth if I had

Ugh, I sold my energy a couple months back :x

 

[ChicagoFats]

Wake up sleepy joe!

 

[American Deplorable]

Ugh, I sold my energy a couple months back :x

That’s usually how it goes for us common folk.

As long as you didn’t buy the broader NASDAQ then you’re probably still doing pretty good!

 

[Hoppo]

Wake up sleepy joe!

He doesn’t need to. Banks and former Dem cabinet members are setting very dire expectations for the economy. We are being conditioned to accept anemic growth and 5% inflation in the coming quarters as Joe Biden’s and the Dems’ leadership saving us from the jaws of economic disaster.

 

[shiv]

As long as you didn’t buy the broader NASDAQ then you’re probably still doing pretty good!

Y-yeah what kind of idiot would do that…………

Spoiler

me

 

[Timothy]

This idiot went 75% stable value fund after the 2020 election.

 

[quickfeet]

This idiot went 75% stable value fund after the 2020 election.

Winning

 

[shiv]

Ouch

 

[ChicagoFats]

Ouch

It’s a blood bath.

Not sure we have capitulated yet, might have lower to go.

 

[Oler Ted]

It’s a blood bath.

Not sure we have capitulated yet, might have lower to go.

 

[American Deplorable]

Y-yeah what kind of idiot would do that…………

Spoiler

me

Blood bath out there today.

 

[quickfeet]

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[quickfeet]

Inflation adjusted Historical S&P 500

 

[American Deplorable]

Inflation adjusted Historical S&P 500

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Stock values already account for inflation. To account for them twice is a gimmick just like a gas tax holiday.

 

[American Deplorable]

Who else is buying BLK right now?

Every time it’s under 600 I’m buying more and I feel like I’m stealing lol

 

[shiv]

Nasdaq holding

 

[shiv]

Nice month

 

[ThetaMale]

Right now, I'm mainly holding energy. However, I'm looking into a few South American companies now that seem promising, and I may post some of my valuations in the future. I'm finding TONS of value in Brazil and Argentina, so if anyone is hunting seems to be a good spot. There are also a few companies in America that I have my eye on, but right now, I'm finding some crazy good values down south. In addition, I'm seeing some crazy good dividend yield rates for the price I'm paying, talking like > 9% yields with the cash flows to support it.

 

[ChicagoFats]

Right now, I'm mainly holding energy. However, I'm looking into a few South American companies now that seem promising, and I may post some of my valuations in the future. I'm finding TONS of value in Brazil and Argentina, so if anyone is hunting seems to be a good spot. There are also a few companies in America that I have my eye on, but right now, I'm finding some crazy good values down south. In addition, I'm seeing some crazy good dividend yield rates for the price I'm paying, talking like > 9% yields with the cash flows to support it.

Do share!

 

[Timothy]

REIT‘s pay yields like that. Pick ones that have been doing it for a while, and hold them long term. If interest rates go higher, then these prices will fall. Just be happy with the dividend

 

[ThetaMale]

REIT‘s pay yields like that. Pick ones that have been doing it for a while, and hold them long term. If interest rates go higher, then these prices will fall. Just be happy with the dividend

Yeah, I'm a massive fan of REITs; they are super stable investments. Rent prices have been so consistent in their growth, and being able to capitalize on that is excellent. I'm just finding crazy good values elsewhere and would park my money where I'll receive solid growth and income.

Do share!

Right now, I'm looking into TEO. They've had some good years until recently; they've done very well. They can still turn it around if you look at the numbers in their reports. However, I'm not sure if there's some systemic issue that has led to the bad years or if they're riding the same struggle bus the rest of the world has been on the past couple of years. I'm seeing some stuff in their reports making me lean towards systemic issues. For example, they're doing things like adding in foreign exchange differences as income, and they started paying a dividend right as they started losing money.

A company I'm holding right now is Petroleo Brasileiro (PBR). If I'm honest, that's the company I'm most excited about. Each time I do my valuation, it comes out SEVERLY undervalued. The cheapest 10yr terminal value I've come up with has doubled its per-share price. They pay a significant dividend as well. So even if I'm wrong about my valuation, I still get a decent return from the dividends.

 

[Timothy]

I had some AGNC in the past, but they did go through a bad spot in 2013 and they lowered their dividend. I got out instead of holding it. Today the yield is over 12%, and also is at a historically low price.

hmmm.....

edit: just looked at PBR... wow, crazy yield with a low PE. What's the risk?

 

[ThetaMale]

I had some AGNC in the past, but they did go through a bad spot in 2013 and they lowered their dividend. I got out instead of holding it. Today the yield is over 12%, and also is at a historically low price.

hmmm.....

edit: just looked at PBR... wow, crazy yield with a low PE. What's the risk?

Heavy state influence.

EDIT: However, my thesis is based on the dividends and I'm sitting on their earnings calls and watching them for ANY sign of pulling back on that dividend. They've set a very aggressive target and on their most recent earnings call they've said they plan to maintain it for several years. Their stated goal is to pay back shareholders through the dividend. Watch that and if they start to dip on that it's time to dip on them. That's how I'm approaching it at least.

 

[ChicagoFats]

Yeah, I'm a massive fan of REITs; they are super stable investments. Rent prices have been so consistent in their growth, and being able to capitalize on that is excellent. I'm just finding crazy good values elsewhere and would park my money where I'll receive solid growth and income.



Right now, I'm looking into TEO. They've had some good years until recently; they've done very well. They can still turn it around if you look at the numbers in their reports. However, I'm not sure if there's some systemic issue that has led to the bad years or if they're riding the same struggle bus the rest of the world has been on the past couple of years. I'm seeing some stuff in their reports making me lean towards systemic issues. For example, they're doing things like adding in foreign exchange differences as income, and they started paying a dividend right as they started losing money.

A company I'm holding right now is Petroleo Brasileiro (PBR). If I'm honest, that's the company I'm most excited about. Each time I do my valuation, it comes out SEVERLY undervalued. The cheapest 10yr terminal value I've come up with has doubled its per-share price. They pay a significant dividend as well. So even if I'm wrong about my valuation, I still get a decent return from the dividends.

TEO is a fixed line telephone service? Thats like a dinasour, right?

Not sure I want to long term invest in something that is almost certainly going to disappear in the future.

Edit: I guess they also provide mobile telephone services .... Still not very sexy. And I see dividend yield as zero

 

[ThetaMale]

TEO is a fixed line telephone service? Thats like a dinasour, right?

Not sure I want to long term invest in something that is almost certainly going to disappear in the future.

Edit: I guess they also provide mobile telephone services .... Still not very sexy. And I see dividend yield as zero

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I just looked at the numbers last night they did just start paying a dividend
From what I saw they do have wireless and I was going to look at how that was growing this evening. However, I'm leaning towards short side of the trade too. Either they're gonna turn it around soon or they're donezos.

Edit: Just wanted to add, the fact that they're paying such a high dividend in their current situation to me doesn't look good. They're clearly struggling and need the money so why are they paying it out?

 

[ChicagoFats]

I just looked at the numbers last night they did just start paying a dividend View attachment 124863
From what I saw they do have wireless and I was going to look at how that was growing this evening. However, I'm leaning towards short side of the trade too. Either they're gonna turn it around soon or they're donezos.

Edit: Just wanted to add, the fact that they're paying such a high dividend in their current situation to me doesn't look good. They're clearly struggling and need the money so why are they paying it out?

Agreed with that sentiment. I high dividend yield is often indicative of other troubles. I can't short a stock under $10, just not that much upside.

Gonna have to find somewhere else to play. But i do like the REITS. I dont pay much attention to them but would thin you could find pockets of value in places.

How have REITS performed in rising interest rate environment? I think rates will rise to a certain point and then steady out or even have to be lowered again. Will be interesting to see how that correlates to the rEITS

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