Kyle Rittenhouse trial has started.

[GarnetPild]

Homicide needs a unanimous jury decision in Wisconsin, I believe. No way the jury comes to that conclusion.

Doesn't every conviction require a unanimous decision? I watched the Family Guy episode spoofing 12 Angry Men, so feel like I know what I'm talking about here.

 

[ChicagoFats]

Doesn't every conviction require a unanimous decision? I watched the Family Guy episode spoofing 12 Angry Men, so feel like I know what I'm talking about here.

Yeah, I think one hold out can prevent conviction on any of the charges.

 

[TheGratefulReb]

Doesn't every conviction require a unanimous decision? I watched the Family Guy episode spoofing 12 Angry Men, so feel like I know what I'm talking about here.

I'm not pretending to be a legal expert here. Just gathering and passing on what I'm understanding.

 

[GarnetPild]

I'm not pretending to be a legal expert here. Just gathering and passing on what I'm understanding.

Me neither, just talking a little shit. I do believe all charges require 12-0 to convict. I don't see how that happens, but the fear of the angry mob is very real. We will see soon enough.

 

[Old Glory]

I'm not pretending to be a legal expert here. Just gathering and passing on what I'm understanding.

The judge also said they are not considering if it was self defense or not, rather that the state has proved beyond a reasonable doubt that it was homicide, or something to that effect.

 

[ChicagoFats]

The judge also said they are not considering if it was self defense or not, rather that the state has proved beyond a reasonable doubt that it was homicide, or something to that effect.

I think that was only one count though, the one related to McGinnis i believe? Im not sure why that is the case though

 

[ChicagoFats]

The jury instruction have been going on for what 30-45 minutes now? Seems like it should be a little bit simpler than that

 

[Old Glory]

I think that was only one count though, the one related to McGinnis i believe? Im not sure why that is the case though

You may be right. I've been listening to him on and off and all of the instructions sounded similar except that one which is why I noticed it.

 

[GarnetPild]

The jury instruction have been going on for what 30-45 minutes now? Seems like it should be a little bit simpler than that

Was just thinking the same thing. Know nothing about this stuff, but this is taking forever. So complex, how in the world will they keep all this shit straight.

 

[ChicagoFats]

You may be right. I've been listening to him on and off and all of the instructions sounded similar except that one which is why I noticed it.

Is Mcginnis the one with the skateboard, and if so i wonder why that would not qualify for Self Defense as he clearly attacks Rittenhouse.

 

[Old Glory]

Was just thinking the same thing. Know nothing about this stuff, but this is taking forever. So complex, how in the world will they keep all this shit straight.

Add in the media hysteria around this, plus he is facing some serious charges that you'd want to make sure everyone understands all of the details so there is no misinterpretation.

Or he's giving them every minute detail so there is no chance of a mistrial which people had speculated could happen because the prosecution was so bad and then he could be charged again.

 

[GarnetPild]

Add in the media hysteria around this, plus he is facing some serious charges that you'd want to make sure everyone understands all of the details so there is no misinterpretation.

Or he's giving them every minute detail so there is no chance of a mistrial which people had speculated could happen because the prosecution was so bad and then he could be charged again.

My dad is a lawyer, does alot of criminal defense work. Was talking to him last night about some of the crazy shit the prosecutor brought up, like questioning why someone needs counsel...he said he had seen some of that and assumed the guy was trying to get a mistrial, if he isn't a complete moron...which he isn't.

 

[ChicagoFats]

My dad is a lawyer, does alot of criminal defense work. Was talking to him last night about some of the crazy shit the prosecutor brought up, like questioning why someone needs counsel...he said he had seen some of that and assumed the guy was trying to get a mistrial, if he isn't a complete moron...which he isn't.

Leaves the door open for appeal i guess?

 

[GarnetPild]

Leaves the door open for appeal i guess?

Perhaps so. Hopefully he is aquitted on all charges and that is the end of it.

 

[GarnetPild]

This has been very eye opening to me. I had no idea the prosecutor is allowed to just lie, without interruption or correction. He literally just said that Kyle cannot claim self defense against an unarmed man.

 

[ChicagoFats]

This has been very eye opening to me. I had no idea the prosecutor is allowed to just lie, without interruption or correction. He literally just said that Kyle cannot claim self defense against an unarmed man.

I think he said that he can't claim self defense IF he was the one that provoked the fight.

Edit: and thats why there is such a big deal about the enhanced video. There is big question as to whether he even pointed the gun or not. Kyle testified he did not.

 

[GarnetPild]

I think he said that he can't claim self defense IF he was the one that provoked the fight.

Perhaps I misheard that. Regardless, he has blown me away with his twisting of facts and the bullshit narrative he is trying to paint.

This guy is pure evil. He deserves a lifetime of bad shit for what he is doing to Kyle and our justice system.

 

[ChicagoFats]

Good thread from the megathread

 

[GatorOK]

YouTube is taking down a lot of the trial feeds. Its the commentary they don't like.......

 

[GarnetPild]

YouTube is taking down a lot of the trial feeds. Its the commentary they don't like.......

Though frustrating...their desperation to control the narrative has never been more obvious.

 

[Chuck 2020]

The jury instruction have been going on for what 30-45 minutes now? Seems like it should be a little bit simpler than that

I was a juror for a murder trial in NJ and the instructions take forever, most of which is just nonsense. Only took us 2 hours to put the guy away for 80 years. (5 total charges - guilty of all 5). So I hope this jury does the right thing, “not guilty” in quick time.

 

[ChicagoFats]

YouTube is taking down a lot of the trial feeds. Its the commentary they don't like.......

Rumble doesn't offer much, but this guy isnt that bad

 

[GarnetPild]

I realize our justice system is hugely stacked against the accused, but I don't think it is right that the prosecution gets the last word in this, or any, trial.

 

[SMD01]

there it is..."active shooter" is what they are calling him now

 

[ChicagoFats]

Prosecutor is such a soyboy.

 

[ChicagoFats]

You are ignorant if you think a "gun is a gun is a gun" says the prosecutor. As if it mattered what type of gun or ammo was in the gun when it was fired from just about point blank range.

Prosecutor sucks

 

[ChicagoFats]

Prosecutor keeps pointing out dumb shit Kyle did like lie to the cameraman, being out past curfue, having a gun. All dumb, none illegal.

 

[Old Glory]

I'm pretty ignorant on the trial process. Is this the last part before the jury meets to discuss the case?

 

[GarnetPild]

I'm pretty ignorant on the trial process. Is this the last part before the jury meets to discuss the case?

Yes. After this, the defense has their closing arguments, then the prosecution gets a shorter rebuttal, then jury deliberates.

 

[GarnetPild]

You are ignorant if you think a "gun is a gun is a gun" says the prosecutor. As if it mattered what type of gun or ammo was in the gun when it was fired from just about point blank range.

Prosecutor sucks

Prosecutor keeps pointing out dumb shit Kyle did like lie to the cameraman, being out past curfue, having a gun. All dumb, none illegal.

Nearly everything this asshole has said has been misleading, a straight up lie, or a straw man. He keeps saying shit like we prosecute people for arson, we don't execute them in the street...of course we don't. Nobody did that, and nobody is even claiming that occured here. Looking forward to an hour of facts from the defense.

 

[ChicagoFats]

I'm pretty ignorant on the trial process. Is this the last part before the jury meets to discuss the case?

The defense gets 2.5 hours for their closing arguments.

After that i believe the jury gets the case. It will take a few hours, bare minimum, because of all the instructions. The instructions would take an hour to read with no interruptions probably.

Should get a verdict this week.

 

[Rusty Student]

The defense gets 2.5 hours for their closing arguments.

After that i believe the jury gets the case. It will take a few hours, bare minimum, because of all the instructions. The instructions would take an hour to read with no interruptions probably.

Should get a verdict this week.

Do you know how much time Binger has left?

 

[ChicagoFats]

Do you know how much time Binger has left?

Not sure exactly because there was a lunch break etc. My best guess would be 30 min

 

[ChicagoFats]

Prosecutor "Lets list all the bad things Rosembaum did. 1) asked people to shoot him "nigga". 2) Lit a dumptser on fire 3) swung a chain"

Proescutor two minutes later: "Rosenbaum wasn't armed and didn't have any weapons"

Im pretty sure a chain is a weapon when swung in the air while participating in riotous behavior.

 

[ChicagoFats]

 

[ChicagoFats]

 

[GatorOK]

The defense gets 2.5 hours for their closing arguments.

After that i believe the jury gets the case. It will take a few hours, bare minimum, because of all the instructions. The instructions would take an hour to read with no interruptions probably.

Should get a verdict this week.

Prosecution gets to have a say after the defense closing arguments.

 

[ChicagoFats]

Prosecution gets to have a say after the defense closing arguments.

How long do they get?

 

[PleasureMoose]

 

[America 1st]

This has been very eye opening to me. I had no idea the prosecutor is allowed to just lie, without interruption or correction. He literally just said that Kyle cannot claim self defense against an unarmed man.

It’s ridiculous what prosecutors can do in this country.