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hmt5000

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Antifa is googling Binger's home address.
Ellison's son is a huge Antifa supporter. Gaige is an antifa adjacent individual. Binger wants to get into politics. I'd love to see if Ellison has had any contact with Binger or if Binger runs for office if Ellison backs him.

Binger is defending the people who burnt down his town and blaming a kid who worked in the town but drove 15 miles to get there.
 

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Is his own defense trying to fuck him? If that happens the prosecution gets a do over right?
yup they get to start all over.... If I'm the defense I'm not settling for anything other than Not-Guilty The prosecution clearly wants a do-over they weren't ready or jdgaf..... Hiding evidence by not serving a subpoena-coaching a witness to change his statement-calling into question the witnesses right to remain silent- introducing new evidence that the judge had barred in pre trial motions...This judge has had to put up with unethical shit all trail I think he’s already being generous by not granting a motion for a mistrial with prejudice.
 

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Is his own defense trying to fuck him? If that happens the prosecution gets a do over right?

yup they get to start all over.... If I'm the defense I'm not settling for anything other than Not-Guilty The prosecution clearly wants a do-over they weren't ready or jdgaf..... Hiding evidence by not serving a subpoena-coaching a witness to change his statement-calling into question the witnesses right to remain silent- introducing new evidence that the judge had barred in pre trial motions...This judge has had to put up with unethical shit all trail I think he’s already being generous by not granting a motion for a mistrial with prejudice.

My understanding is that the defense asked the judge to declare a mistrial with prejudice. This would mean a mistrial and those same charges may not be brought again.
 

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After watching a bit of this today, I believe the prosecution knows it has a loser of a case, and is trying to get a mistrial declared so that the media and angry mob can turn their rage on the judge and the system, instead of looking at the facts of the case, or focusing on the prosecutor who should never have filed charges on Rittenhouse in the first place. These people should not be allowed to practice law.
 

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Is his own defense trying to fuck him? If that happens the prosecution gets a do over right?
With prejudice though. Im assuming prosecutorial misconduct comes in and a bunch of evidence gets added and subtracted. Despite what the media says, the judge has let the prosecution get away with a ton of shady shit. Binger used Kyles silence as evidence of something to hide.... that is settled fucking law. We all have the right to remain silent and at no point can a prosecutor pretend that only guilty people invoke their 5th amendment right. This is sooooo bad I don't think most understand the line that was crossed.

Im not a lawyer and I knew this. I didn't realize how big of a line it was though. I saw a DA say that when she went to her office in the first year the very first thing they tell you is to not go after someone for invoking their 5th amendment right. She said you get this repeatedly in law school and during the bar exam. It's usually an immediate mistrial and the prosecutor has to worry about keeping his law license.

This is going to cost Binger money. Some people are saying that $1000's is realistic for how bad this was. If this were reversed politically the prosecutor would already be before the state board.

It would be like punching below the belt in a title fight and when they restart the fight you sucker punch the dude while touching gloves.



I've been watching these lawyers live during the trial and it's eye opening.
 

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After watching a bit of this today, I believe the prosecution knows it has a loser of a case, and is trying to get a mistrial declared so that the media and angry mob can turn their rage on the judge and the system, instead of looking at the facts of the case, or focusing on the prosecutor who should never have filed charges on Rittenhouse in the first place. These people should not be allowed to practice law.
The fact that the prosecution brought up questioning about Kyle's 5th Amendment is such a stupid mistake they had to be intentionally forcing a mistrial. Kinda tossed the whole case in the trash today

My understanding is that the defense asked the judge to declare a mistrial with prejudice. This would mean a mistrial and those same charges may not be brought again.
I heard this too. Don't agree with it though. Are they not confident on a Not-Guilty verdict? cause they should be. My understanding is that the only way the same charges cant be brought up again would be with a -guilty or not guilty- verdict and then we would have a double jeopardy and Kyle walks.
 

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The fact that the prosecution brought up questioning about Kyle's 5th Amendment is such a stupid mistake they had to be intentionally forcing a mistrial. Kinda tossed the whole case in the trash today


I heard this too. Don't agree with it though. Are they not confident on a Not-Guilty verdict? cause they should be. My understanding is that the only way the same charges cant be brought up again would be with a -guilty or not guilty- verdict and then we would have a double jeopardy and Kyle walks.

I only know what I have heard commentators say, which is that a mistrial with prejudice means you cannot bring those charges again. I understand it is there to prevent lawyers from intentionally throwing a trial into a mistrial, so that they can basically get a do-over with a new jury.

I agree about the 5th ammendment bullshit. Just unbelievable the gall of that scumbag prosecutor. I hope all the bad things in life happen to him, and no one else but him.
 

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The fact that the prosecution brought up questioning about Kyle's 5th Amendment is such a stupid mistake they had to be intentionally forcing a mistrial. Kinda tossed the whole case in the trash today


I heard this too. Don't agree with it though. Are they not confident on a Not-Guilty verdict? cause they should be. My understanding is that the only way the same charges cant be brought up again would be with a -guilty or not guilty- verdict and then we would have a double jeopardy and Kyle walks.
You can't count on it though. Barnes was talking about jury selection in this case and that 35% of Kenosha was skewing toward guilty on preconceived notions. He was saying that you get some hard liners that just won't move and the jury was so random that you may have a few hard liners on both sides and a hung jury lets them go at him again also.
 

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I only know what I have heard commentators say, which is that a mistrial with prejudice means you cannot bring those charges again. I understand it is there to prevent lawyers from intentionally throwing a trial into a mistrial, so that they can basically get a do-over with a new jury.

I agree about the 5th ammendment bullshit. Just unbelievable the gall of that scumbag prosecutor. I hope all the bad things in life happen to him, and no one else but him.
Now that I think about it.. what the fuck do I know lol. I have been watching this trial everyday though so i guess that makes me an expert..
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I only know what I have heard commentators say, which is that a mistrial with prejudice means you cannot bring those charges again. I understand it is there to prevent lawyers from intentionally throwing a trial into a mistrial, so that they can basically get a do-over with a new jury.

I agree about the 5th ammendment bullshit. Just unbelievable the gall of that scumbag prosecutor. I hope all the bad things in life happen to him, and no one else but him.
My understanding was it was charge specific. They may not allow them to refile the murder charges but they can still bring the weapons and reckless endangerment charges. Novice here so I may have misheard or misunderstood.

Binger was asking for 12 fucking years on the weapons charge.
 

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You can't count on it though. Barnes was talking about jury selection in this case and that 35% of Kenosha was skewing toward guilty on preconceived notions. He was saying that you get some hard liners that just won't move and the jury was so random that you may have a few hard liners on both sides and a hung jury lets them go at him again also.
your right.. unfortunately with the evidence layed out the defense still has to fear the hung jury. Jury has also had to deal with people taking videos and pictures of them trying to have them doxed. The judge mentioned it in day 7 i think. Everything points to a mistrial with prejudice.. Then new charges could and probably will be brought up...like man-slaughter or some bullshit like that.
 

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With prejudice though. Im assuming prosecutorial misconduct comes in and a bunch of evidence gets added and subtracted. Despite what the media says, the judge has let the prosecution get away with a ton of shady shit. Binger used Kyles silence as evidence of something to hide.... that is settled fucking law. We all have the right to remain silent and at no point can a prosecutor pretend that only guilty people invoke their 5th amendment right. This is sooooo bad I don't think most understand the line that was crossed.

Im not a lawyer and I knew this. I didn't realize how big of a line it was though. I saw a DA say that when she went to her office in the first year the very first thing they tell you is to not go after someone for invoking their 5th amendment right. She said you get this repeatedly in law school and during the bar exam. It's usually an immediate mistrial and the prosecutor has to worry about keeping his law license.

This is going to cost Binger money. Some people are saying that $1000's is realistic for how bad this was. If this were reversed politically the prosecutor would already be before the state board.

It would be like punching below the belt in a title fight and when they restart the fight you sucker punch the dude while touching gloves.



I've been watching these lawyers live during the trial and it's eye opening.

Binger knows he fucked up by pressing for murder charges so he's trying to get a mistrial. He also knows a mistrial is rare for such a high profile trial (arguably the biggest case we've ever seen-determines weather we have the ability to defend ourselves) and is probably banking on the defense pushing for a mistrial with prejudice so he can charge again with new charges. Binger is a complete scumbag and someone would have to be a subhuman not to realize that.
 

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Even if slightly misquoted, good on ya for getting the reference to the player haters' ball.🤣 One of the goat Chappelle Show sketches.
I remember watching the player haters ball episode when it first came out like forever ago. That was comedy gold. Silky Johnson is the GOAT.

"Now, if you'll excuse me. I'm gonna go put water in Buck Nasty's Mama's dish."
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Binger knows he fucked up by pressing for murder charges so he's trying to get a mistrial. He also knows a mistrial is rare for such a high profile trial (arguably the biggest case we've ever seen-determines weather we have the ability to defend ourselves) and is probably banking on the defense pushing for a mistrial with prejudice so he can charge again with new charges. Binger is a complete scumbag and someone would have to be a subhuman not to realize that.
He's thinking political run after this trial and doesn't give a fuck about the law of this case and facts.
 

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15;40 mark. Its the judge swearing Kyle in and he makes it a point that no comment on his silence may be made and even added that he wouldn't make any comment on his silence. This is showing how serious this decision is and the only thing he got for it was to not have his silence brought up as a negative. Binger took the one and only benefit of testifying gave him.

total fucking dick.
 

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The fact that the prosecution brought up questioning about Kyle's 5th Amendment is such a stupid mistake they had to be intentionally forcing a mistrial. Kinda tossed the whole case in the trash today


I heard this too. Don't agree with it though. Are they not confident on a Not-Guilty verdict? cause they should be. My understanding is that the only way the same charges cant be brought up again would be with a -guilty or not guilty- verdict and then we would have a double jeopardy and Kyle walks.
From an outsider, you take a win. There are videos out there of people saying they are watching the jury and threatening families. You get this case over, get the kid free and let the world be mad at something else. Leave it in the hands of people whose kids are threatened, you are rolling the dice.
 
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