Derek Chauvin Trial/George Floyd/Minneapolis

The problem with juries these days is that some of them get into that room and start to believe that they are Perry Mason and CSI technicians rolled into one. Instead of keeping it simple and looking at the facts they make it a lot more difficult than it has to be. And then you also have the possibility of zealots who have hidden their true feelings well enough that they are unknown.
 
catreaper said:
His family 💯 would have traded his life for 27 mm. Not even a question. Just disgusting they gave those fucks a goddamn penny.
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Hollywood romanticizes the poors. They, extreme poverty, are more often than not victims of their own selfishness and greed and many would sell their own kids for a pay day. You typically, again extreme poverty, make less money because you are only functioning to a certain extent. Many of the extreme poverty folks just can’t work with anyone else. They aren’t responsible and can’t be trusted to hold up a team of coworkers.
 
BTAvenger said:
The problem with juries these days is that some of them get into that room and start to believe that they are Perry Mason and CSI technicians rolled into one. Instead of keeping it simple and looking at the facts they make it a lot more difficult than it has to be. And then you also have the possibility of zealots who have hidden their true feelings well enough that they are unknown.
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And throw in the fact that prosecution is mostly theater to help with reelection cred on high profile cases.
 
ETNVol said:
It's astounding to think about, a huge # of people who do not care that George Floyd OD'd, they want that fact ignored or obscured so a guy can be sent to prison for life for something he didn't do. The depravity of the left is limitless. Literally Romans Ch. 1 come to life in modern-day America.
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More than anything in this world liberals want a conviction in this case. Not because he is guilty (they really don’t give a shit about that either way) but because it would finally be a win for them in a high profile case that was made to be all about race. They would finally be able to feel justification for their rabid movement against law-enforcement and would be rewarded for making race the preeminent issue facing our country today. A conviction would be a cherry on top for the past several years of exaggeration, fabrication, and agenda driven hyperbole by media and politicians all with the end goal of demonizing whitey and dividing the country.
 
BTAvenger said:
More than anything in this world liberals want a conviction in this case. Not because he is guilty (they really don’t give a shit about that either way) but because it would finally be a win for them in a high profile case that was made to be all about race. They would finally be able to feel justification for their rabid movement against law-enforcement and would be rewarded for making race the preeminent issue facing our country today. A conviction would be a cherry on top for the past several years of exaggeration, fabrication, and agenda driven hyperbole by media and politicians all with the end goal of demonizing whitey and dividing the country.
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I think they want (and are perhaps planning) an acquittal, at least on the murder charges. They want their demon hordes to return to burning and pillaging small businesses and innocent bystanders asap, and nothing can get that ginned up faster than some "not guilty"s.

But in reality, they probably have a billion ways to gin up the rioting, so they may not bother.

I'd hate to be in Chauvin's shoes (or anyone in a high-profile case where the deep state is aligned against you). They can bribe or blackmail pretty much any jury.
 
BigBucnNole said:
Hollywood romanticizes the poors. They, extreme poverty, are more often than not victims of their own selfishness and greed and many would sell their own kids for a pay day. You typically, again extreme poverty, make less money because you are only functioning to a certain extent. Many of the extreme poverty folks just can’t work with anyone else. They aren’t responsible and can’t be trusted to hold up a team of coworkers.
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Agree on a lot of that
 
So I haven't read this entire thread so this may have been brought up already, but I saw on CNN a female firefighter for Minneapolis testified today. I HATE watching CNN at all but I was very curious to hear what she had to say only because I am very interested to see how her testimony affects the working relationship with Minneapolis FD and PD. I cannot imagine the police officers are going to appreciate what she said, and I think it will strain the relationship between the 2 agencies.
 
CurtOFD78 said:
So I haven't read this entire thread so this may have been brought up already, but I saw on CNN a female firefighter for Minneapolis testified today. I HATE watching CNN at all but I was very curious to hear what she had to say only because I am very interested to see how her testimony affects the working relationship with Minneapolis FD and PD. I cannot imagine the police officers are going to appreciate what she said, and I think it will strain the relationship between the 2 agencies.
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What did she say?
 
America 1st said:
What did she say?
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She basically laid out the situation she encountered and said that she offered to provide medical assistance and was told "no". She then said she offered to provide instructions to the officers on how to give medical assistance and they refused. Lots of leading questions about how she felt about the situation mixed in there. I seem to recall from way back when I saw the video that I heard a female voice saying she was an EMT and could provide assistance, I suppose that is this woman.

www.cnn.com

Firefighter, 9-year-old and teens give powerful testimony in Derek Chauvin trial | CNN

A professional fighter felt scared. An off-duty firefighter felt desperate. A high school student felt threatened. And a 9-year-old girl felt sad and kind of mad.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
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CurtOFD78 said:
She basically laid out the situation she encountered and said that she offered to provide medical assistance and was told "no". She then said she offered to provide instructions to the officers on how to give medical assistance and they refused. Lots of leading questions about how she felt about the situation mixed in there. I seem to recall from way back when I saw the video that I heard a female voice saying she was an EMT and could provide assistance, I suppose that his this woman.

www.cnn.com

Firefighter, 9-year-old and teens give powerful testimony in Derek Chauvin trial | CNN

A professional fighter felt scared. An off-duty firefighter felt desperate. A high school student felt threatened. And a 9-year-old girl felt sad and kind of mad.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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She looks like a mudshark.
 
She should know that unless she was there in an official capacity officers wouldn't take her serious.

Another angle to this is they fired and I believed charged a black officer that smoked someone a two years ago. If they let a white guy walk its gonna be wild.

He got 12.5 years
 
CurtOFD78 said:
She basically laid out the situation she encountered and said that she offered to provide medical assistance and was told "no". She then said she offered to provide instructions to the officers on how to give medical assistance and they refused. Lots of leading questions about how she felt about the situation mixed in there. I seem to recall from way back when I saw the video that I heard a female voice saying she was an EMT and could provide assistance, I suppose that his this woman.

www.cnn.com

Firefighter, 9-year-old and teens give powerful testimony in Derek Chauvin trial | CNN

A professional fighter felt scared. An off-duty firefighter felt desperate. A high school student felt threatened. And a 9-year-old girl felt sad and kind of mad.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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Even if she was an EMT, she was not on duty and one was enroute to my memory.

Now, if the police did let her help Floyd and Floyd managed to hurt her in the process, then the police would be in trouble.

In addition, with his overdose, if she did work on him and he died, she would not be covered under the Good Samaritan act and would be open to lawsuits.
 
Juro said:
Even if she was an EMT, she was not on duty and one was enroute to my memory.

Now, if the police did let her help Floyd and Floyd managed to hurt her in the process, then the police would be in trouble.

In addition, with his overdose, if she did work on him and he died, she would not be covered under the Good Samaritan act and would be open to lawsuits.
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Can you cite your source for the Good Samaritan comment? I believe under Minnesota law she would be immune if she rendered aid according to her training, overdose or no overdose.

Sec. 604A.01 MN Statutes

www.revisor.mn.gov
 
This will all come down to the expert witnesses. This group that state had trotted out thus far aren't adding anything to the case the videos don't already show. Wait for the Toxicologists and Pathologists, that is when it will get important. Mr. MMA talking about "blood chokes" doesn't carry much credentialing.
 
4n6tox said:
This will all come down to the expert witnesses. This group that state had trotted out thus far aren't adding anything to the case the videos don't already show. Wait for the Toxicologists and Pathologists, that is when it will get important. Mr. MMA talking about "blood chokes" doesn't carry much credentialing.
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Defense has done a nice job so far.

Haven't paid close attention but what I've caught seems to always be going the D's way.
 
America 1st said:
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And it shows another Floyd lie as well as his (((lawyer))) setting up a false narrative - when GF said momma and that he wanted to call her it was his GF and not mother. The entire bodycam footage is like a giant Floyd lie. Everything he states was in fact a lie.

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Here is the real killer. Have a screenshot that explains it much better but it has a bad word in it so I can't post.


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4n6tox said:
This will all come down to the expert witnesses. This group that state had trotted out thus far aren't adding anything to the case the videos don't already show. Wait for the Toxicologists and Pathologists, that is when it will get important. Mr. MMA talking about "blood chokes" doesn't carry much credentialing.
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Which has been weird so far. I understand playing to the feels, but why prosecute a case based purely on feels?
 

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