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Master Thread Dance Your Cares Away/Fraggle/Law Abiding Citizens

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That SOB pervert should have been castrated and cauterized before his nuts dropped. He is a cull.
 

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I was a lender during PPP as well. What you're saying is false. For the initial loans, minimal was required, but we had to verify both payroll records and 941s for any loan over $150K in order to grant forgiveness, and the law required us to maintain those records. Prior to the 3508S, we needed extensive documentation even on the small loans. If you all committed fraud, that's on you, but you're projecting. I'd bet my entire fortune its nowhere near 10% fraud.

Truth is, all things considered, including the massive rollout so quickly when unemployment exceeded 20% and uncertainty was everywhere, PPP was arguably the greatest government program in history. No amount of hindsight or revisionism will change that.
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CARES Act =/= PPP. No one with two employees got $500K.

CARES Act had TONS of fraud, but very little of it, comparatively, came from PPP. Also, there were no carve outs or exceptions for minority owned businesses, except at the very end. You're likely thinking of EIDL, which was a direct government program.
naivete repeated
 

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I wouldn't be in a hurry to talk to the people who are on every TV station bragging that they have ended the Russian economy through their sanctions and the supposed leader of the free world calling for Putin to be assassinated in a press conference being broadcast all over the world.
 

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CARES Act =/= PPP. No one with two employees got $500K.

CARES Act had TONS of fraud, but very little of it, comparatively, came from PPP. Also, there were no carve outs or exceptions for minority owned businesses, except at the very end. You're likely thinking of EIDL, which was a direct government program.
PPP was part of the cares act.

Sure you and your customers weren't committing fraud. But, there are millions of people out there just waiting for fraud opportunities. It's what they do. Those people sat on the sidelines while the gov't offered $700 billion, and was rushing to get it out?

You've mentioned "tax forms" as reasons people can't cheat. All someone had to do was fake a 941, fake a payroll report, fake a whole tax return if needed. AFAIK, banks weren't required to 4506 to make sure they were holding legit tax returns.

The IRS still hasn't processed millions of tax returns for 2020. Millions of people due stimulus checks are still waiting because the IRS can't (or won't) catch up. The phone answer rate at the IRS is ~30%. It's not like they have a legion of people sitting in a building somewhere verifying loan documents vs. 941s. The SBA has 3,000 employees, most of which already have jobs and responsibilities. Other than the large (>$2 million) loans they said they would audit, do they have personnel to do any in-depth looks at the millions of loans that were less than that? Probably a very small %, if we're being realistic. The fraud was probably massive, and we'll probably never know the extent of it.
 

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Quick ?

Do we need a thread pinned for noobs/normies to ask questions as to how we got here. People are coming around and sgitbi have questions and I've been fully absorbed since dec 2017. If yall think it is a good idea DM me and ill talk w overlord. I've been seeing a good bit of new folks so I know there has to be lurkers.
There is Q
There are anons
There is no Qanon
 

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PPP was part of the cares act.

Sure you and your customers weren't committing fraud. But, there are millions of people out there just waiting for fraud opportunities. It's what they do. Those people sat on the sidelines while the gov't offered $700 billion, and was rushing to get it out?

You've mentioned "tax forms" as reasons people can't cheat. All someone had to do was fake a 941, fake a payroll report, fake a whole tax return if needed. AFAIK, banks weren't required to 4506 to make sure they were holding legit tax returns.

The IRS still hasn't processed millions of tax returns for 2020. Millions of people due stimulus checks are still waiting because the IRS can't (or won't) catch up. The phone answer rate at the IRS is ~30%. It's not like they have a legion of people sitting in a building somewhere verifying loan documents vs. 941s. The SBA has 3,000 employees, most of which already have jobs and responsibilities. Other than the large (>$2 million) loans they said they would audit, do they have personnel to do any in-depth looks at the millions of loans that were less than that? Probably a very small %, if we're being realistic. The fraud was probably massive, and we'll probably never know the extent of it.

I said there was fraud, but nowhere near on the level they're claiming. It's due to publicizing all recipients, and then jealous busybodies reporting their neighbors, even though they did nothing wrong.

It's BS. Pure and simple. As for auditing them, it could easily be done via computer algorithm, and either has or will be done.
 

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PPP was part of the cares act.

Sure you and your customers weren't committing fraud. But, there are millions of people out there just waiting for fraud opportunities. It's what they do. Those people sat on the sidelines while the gov't offered $700 billion, and was rushing to get it out?

You've mentioned "tax forms" as reasons people can't cheat. All someone had to do was fake a 941, fake a payroll report, fake a whole tax return if needed. AFAIK, banks weren't required to 4506 to make sure they were holding legit tax returns.

The IRS still hasn't processed millions of tax returns for 2020. Millions of people due stimulus checks are still waiting because the IRS can't (or won't) catch up. The phone answer rate at the IRS is ~30%. It's not like they have a legion of people sitting in a building somewhere verifying loan documents vs. 941s. The SBA has 3,000 employees, most of which already have jobs and responsibilities. Other than the large (>$2 million) loans they said they would audit, do they have personnel to do any in-depth looks at the millions of loans that were less than that? Probably a very small %, if we're being realistic. The fraud was probably massive, and we'll probably never know the extent of it.
It was riddled w fraud all of it. The irs is min 2 yra behind. I have a buddy still waiting on refunds. He is a night stocker so not moneybags for an audit candidate.
I'm going to play catch up but fair warning all
I have started drinking. Best luck to all of you and love to all too.
April's fool. I'm also stoney lol
 

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I said there was fraud, but nowhere near on the level they're claiming. It's due to publicizing all recipients, and then jealous busybodies reporting their neighbors, even though they did nothing wrong.

It's BS. Pure and simple. As for auditing them, it could easily be done via computer algorithm, and either has or will be done.
Awww bullshit






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Jk lmfao
 

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It was riddled w fraud all of it. The irs is min 2 yra behind. I have a buddy still waiting on refunds. He is a night stocker so not moneybags for an audit candidate.
I'm going to play catch up but fair warning all
I have started drinking. Best luck to all of you and love to all too.
April's fool. I'm also stoney lol

It's Friday. Ain't got shit to do. Don't mind if I fuckin' do...
 

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He knows he is losing and he is shitting his pants because he finally figured out Pooty is not his Uncle Vlad. Uncle Vlad prolly has a syringe full of Chernobyl By Products With His Name On It, and a couple of spys in a holding pattern, waiting for their chance.
Fuck Nice Home in Florida and now I don't dare leave.
 

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