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PowerMEGA

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If you have not you need to read this, by Sundance it is in 4 parts
Want to second this. It's a long read, but we'll done and puts things together well.
 

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The auto companies slowest to transition to EVs will be the best off when the EV market crashes and burns. There's not enough materials to meet battery demand. Power grids can't handle the charging infrastructure. Range is too low. And we're about to see the first wave of battery replacement sticker shock. The deeper we go into this hole the more betrayed people will feel about being sold a bad bill of goods. Electric vehicles are toys for opulent urbanites, and also have some great applications in commercial space. Trying to push this on everyday drivers is begging for disaster. (a Biden trademark)
Do you have sources for these assertions?
At least with Tesla their batteries will outlast the car. Also mile range is comparable to a ice car.
Electric grid will be fine unless in over crowded states or states like Texas that screwed itself by the weird rules and not plugging into National grid.
I do agree the electric cars right now are for opulent urbanites and will add suburbanites and some wealthy rural folks. This crowd will be able to also afford solar panels.
As far as materials shortages for batteries, this will cause material sciences to evolve.
The ev tax subsidies are about useless as giving small businesses 30k tax credits for trucks over a certain weight.
Btw seems like this is another case of polarizing political views rather than looking at evs logically.
There’s advantages and disadvantages for everything and with evs I want to stop the reliance and stop the revenue of the wealthy Middle East oil countries.
 

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Do you have sources for these assertions?
At least with Tesla their batteries will outlast the car. Also mile range is comparable to a ice car.
Electric grid will be fine unless in over crowded states or states like Texas that screwed itself by the weird rules and not plugging into National grid.
I do agree the electric cars right now are for opulent urbanites and will add suburbanites and some wealthy rural folks. This crowd will be able to also afford solar panels.
As far as materials shortages for batteries, this will cause material sciences to evolve.
The ev tax subsidies are about useless as giving small businesses 30k tax credits for trucks over a certain weight.
Btw seems like this is another case of polarizing political views rather than looking at evs logically.
There’s advantages and disadvantages for everything and with evs I want to stop the reliance and stop the revenue of the wealthy Middle East oil countries.
“…some wealthy rural folks…” not sure what point you were trying to make there?
 

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You’re exactly right. Bongino covered this today. A lot of the people behind the raid were directly involved with the Russia collusion BS. This meshes with the post saying these people are under investigation by Durham already.
Durham needs to crack the whip soon. He needs to drop some indictments before the election to get their attention. Screw this nonsense of "we can't do anything close to an election".
 

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These Guys Are Telling You


Meanwhile, Dimon is closing banks and drive-in lanes everywhere. Inside they are reducing tellers but increasing those who assist in opening accounts and solving problems. When I go inside, most are doing little. They are adding ATM machines. They want everyone to "do it yourself".
 
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The Magistrate would have approved anything even if written on soiled toilet paper.
 

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The DOJ affidavit is based on that NY Times article Maggie H wrote a while back, mixed in with hearsay and innuendo. That's why they won't release it

Garland last week at national press conference: "More information will be made available"

DOJ today: "You can't see the affidavit"

It’s never been about keeping us safe it’s about hiding their crimes. They lie, then call us names when we don’t believe them. When it doesn’t work on us they then change the definition of words. When that doesn’t work they say a Main REP voice or someone around Trump committed a terrible crime BUT they can’t release the evidence because it’s a matter of National Security so "Just trust"us that these are bad people!!They are literally doing the same thing over and over. Different look same playbook

Biden’s sanctions are failing. Russia’s energy revenue is higher now than before they invaded Ukraine. This is a supply issue. Biden created it, Russia is profiting from it. The result? The people of Europe are facing an energy crisis, and we are next.
 

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Do you have sources for these assertions?
At least with Tesla their batteries will outlast the car. Also mile range is comparable to a ice car.
Electric grid will be fine unless in over crowded states or states like Texas that screwed itself by the weird rules and not plugging into National grid.
I do agree the electric cars right now are for opulent urbanites and will add suburbanites and some wealthy rural folks. This crowd will be able to also afford solar panels.
As far as materials shortages for batteries, this will cause material sciences to evolve.
The ev tax subsidies are about useless as giving small businesses 30k tax credits for trucks over a certain weight.
Btw seems like this is another case of polarizing political views rather than looking at evs logically.
There’s advantages and disadvantages for everything and with evs I want to stop the reliance and stop the revenue of the wealthy Middle East oil countries.
These are all well known facts. Especially if you've considered going electric and want to know how well it will meet your needs. More than 300 miles of EV range is an outlier - most models are in the 150-250 range for maximum range. Multiply that by 0.80 and you have your probable/practical range. That is what you get when you first drive it off the lot. Capacity will continuously diminish over time. Tesla is the gold standard and they warranty their batteries for 8 yrs/250K miles. After that you're on your own, and your only recourse is to cough up 25K when the time inevitably comes. This is not a reasonable expectation for the average consumer.

You can do the math on charging and the grid. Were you in a coma when California asked people to stop charging their EVs a few months ago?

An assumption that materials science will evolve to produce a major leap forward is a foolish one. The computing and mobile tech industry had already done tremendous amounts of work in this space. Eventually you bump up against the laws of physics. Considering how mobile tech has now pivoted to extending battery life on devices by moving toward architectures (such as ARM) that consume less power, it is likely we have reached the point of product maturity in batteries where Zipf's Law begins to take effect.

Wrt cutting reliance on the Middle East you are favoring a scenario where they can sell half the oil for three times the price. Smart.

As is typical of any Democrat initiative, they see something interesting like EV and immediately jump to pushing everyone onto it, regardless of cost or fit. We are primed for yet another fucking disaster thanks to that short sightedness.
 

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These are all well known facts. Especially if you've considered going electric and want to know how well it will meet your needs. More than 300 miles of EV range is an outlier - most models are in the 150-250 range for maximum range. Multiply that by 0.80 and you have your probable/practical range. That is what you get when you first drive it off the lot. Capacity will continuously diminish over time. Tesla is the gold standard and they warranty their batteries for 8 yrs/250K miles. After that you're on your own, and your only recourse is to cough up 25K when the time inevitably comes. This is not a reasonable expectation for the average consumer.

You can do the math on charging and the grid. Were you in a coma when California asked people to stop charging their EVs a few months ago?

An assumption that materials science will evolve to produce a major leap forward is a foolish one. The computing and mobile tech industry had already done tremendous amounts of work in this space. Eventually you bump up against the laws of physics. Considering how mobile tech has now pivoted to extending battery life on devices by moving toward architectures (such as ARM) that consume less power, it is likely we have reached the point of product maturity in batteries where Zipf's Law begins to take effect.

Wrt cutting reliance on the Middle East you are favoring a scenario where they can sell half the oil for three times the price. Smart.

As is typical of any Democrat initiative, they see something interesting like EV and immediately jump to pushing everyone onto it, regardless of cost or fit. We are primed for yet another fucking disaster thanks to that short sightedness.
You’re not going to change his mind. He is all in on EV tech. I don’t care that he is for it, I do care; however, that it’s not pushed on me.
 

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Geoengineeringwatch.org
Answers all your questions about the funny shit in the sky all the time. A friend of mine is a farmer and sent me this info.

Well, a quick look and we’re fucked according to that site. Those doing the climate engineering aren’t going to stop. If true, do they actually think they are doing good? I guess so because they are creating their own demise.
 

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Prediction - When the SHTF payback will not be limited to the big players. It will be a reckoning against anyone who did someone wrong. Sad that we've sunk this far but those in authority have sewn the seeds with their lunatic ideas and edicts. People will suffer for going along with this nitwittery rather than standing up.
 

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I know most of you know this, but we haven't talked about it much ITT.

We are at our Fourth Turning.

the next 10 years will determine the future of our country, if we have one, for the next 80.

We are definitely at war, a revolution. At this point it is cold. At some point, it may not be.



Been reading my way through the book. It's a tough read but very enlightening. I agree, we are at the 4th Turn.
 

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I know most of you know this, but we haven't talked about it much ITT.

We are at our Fourth Turning.

the next 10 years will determine the future of our country, if we have one, for the next 80.

We are definitely at war, a revolution. At this point it is cold. At some point, it may not be.



I’m interested but cannot see anything other than a big white box

Cliffs?
 

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These are all well known facts. Especially if you've considered going electric and want to know how well it will meet your needs. More than 300 miles of EV range is an outlier - most models are in the 150-250 range for maximum range. Multiply that by 0.80 and you have your probable/practical range. That is what you get when you first drive it off the lot. Capacity will continuously diminish over time. Tesla is the gold standard and they warranty their batteries for 8 yrs/250K miles. After that you're on your own, and your only recourse is to cough up 25K when the time inevitably comes. This is not a reasonable expectation for the average consumer.

You can do the math on charging and the grid. Were you in a coma when California asked people to stop charging their EVs a few months ago?

An assumption that materials science will evolve to produce a major leap forward is a foolish one. The computing and mobile tech industry had already done tremendous amounts of work in this space. Eventually you bump up against the laws of physics. Considering how mobile tech has now pivoted to extending battery life on devices by moving toward architectures (such as ARM) that consume less power, it is likely we have reached the point of product maturity in batteries where Zipf's Law begins to take effect.

Wrt cutting reliance on the Middle East you are favoring a scenario where they can sell half the oil for three times the price. Smart.

As is typical of any Democrat initiative, they see something interesting like EV and immediately jump to pushing everyone onto it, regardless of cost or fit. We are primed for yet another fucking disaster thanks to that short sightedness.


Some electric cars are getting 300 +. If you are a commuter and charge your car every night this is more than enough range.

If you get 250k miles out of a tsla and then have to pay 25k for another battery pack that will last an additional 250k miles (probably more by then) .... thats a pretty good deal.

I think its far from a foolish assumption that materials science (batteries) wont continue to make leaps forward. New technologies have always been emerging, there is no reason to think they will stop, especially when the reward will be tremendous. I would bet a large sum that we are not close to product maturity on batteries.

I agree that Dems may be pushing too aggressively on the timeline, but the switch to EV's will happen and will need to happen. Just as bad as pushing too fast, is resisting any change at all.
 

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These are all well known facts. Especially if you've considered going electric and want to know how well it will meet your needs. More than 300 miles of EV range is an outlier - most models are in the 150-250 range for maximum range. Multiply that by 0.80 and you have your probable/practical range. That is what you get when you first drive it off the lot. Capacity will continuously diminish over time. Tesla is the gold standard and they warranty their batteries for 8 yrs/250K miles. After that you're on your own, and your only recourse is to cough up 25K when the time inevitably comes. This is not a reasonable expectation for the average consumer.

You can do the math on charging and the grid. Were you in a coma when California asked people to stop charging their EVs a few months ago?

An assumption that materials science will evolve to produce a major leap forward is a foolish one. The computing and mobile tech industry had already done tremendous amounts of work in this space. Eventually you bump up against the laws of physics. Considering how mobile tech has now pivoted to extending battery life on devices by moving toward architectures (such as ARM) that consume less power, it is likely we have reached the point of product maturity in batteries where Zipf's Law begins to take effect.

Wrt cutting reliance on the Middle East you are favoring a scenario where they can sell half the oil for three times the price. Smart.

As is typical of any Democrat initiative, they see something interesting like EV and immediately jump to pushing everyone onto it, regardless of cost or fit. We are primed for yet another fucking disaster thanks to that short sightedness.
This man spittin
 

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