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Master Thread UnPinned: Russian invasion has begun
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Uncle Muscles
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more and more it looks like Putin is ZFG and going out in a blaze of glory in his final years
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Gas prices
Well if you are pushing electric vehicles.... energy prices will necessarily sky rocket. People forced to move TO cities to work as commute is too expensive for most.
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When Ukraine first started having problems back in 2014, I called my Ukrainian buddy to ask him what was up. He said, " the Ukranians were lazy and stupid and thought electing corrupt politicians would get them free shit. Blew up in their faces."(paraphrased)
I have since lost contact, so I can't call him now.
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Long and overly dramatic video but gets the point across.
The US helped install a friendly regime during the Obama years and Putin isn’t having it.
https://www.strategic-culture.org/n...-us-government-perpetrated-2014-coup-ukraine/
https://www.nationofchange.org/2018/08/15/how-and-why-the-us-staged-a-coup-in-ukraine/
The US helped install a friendly regime during the Obama years and Putin isn’t having it.
https://www.strategic-culture.org/n...-us-government-perpetrated-2014-coup-ukraine/
https://www.nationofchange.org/2018/08/15/how-and-why-the-us-staged-a-coup-in-ukraine/
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@LVRebel give us some commentary on whats going on. What is the likelihood that war breaks out? Or do you see a possibility of peaceful resolution?
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By the way, what are the chances that someone asks this corksucker about domestic natural gas and oil production?
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I'm not an expert, but just trying to stay up to date on it. The way things look right now, from what I'm seeing:
-Putin recognized these 2 Ukrainian areas as independent states, and therefore not part of the Ukraine anymore.
-Based on that notion, he sent in military forces to those areas to protect these independent states from any 'attack' by Ukraine. Of course, this is all dependent on which side you're standing on. It would be like Canada trying to take Maine from the USA, saying that they recognize it as an Independent state, so they sent in their military to protect Maine from any response from the evil USA. These 2 areas of Ukraine have had a heavy Russian presence for a while though, so it's a pretty soft spot for them to come into.
-Putin, in his TV address, noted that Ukraine shouldn't even be in existence, and basically making the case that the whole region should be part of Russia.
-In regards to the 2 'independent' states, there's questions as to what is considered their border. The west end of both of those states is what they're calling the Donbas region (see map below). Putin claims that Donetsk and Luhansk territories include the Donbas region, but I don't believe that Ukraine has the same belief.
-In listening to Putin's talks, it sounds like he has it in his mind to take all of Ukraine, but that could just be a bargaining chip that he's trying to use. Ask for the world, then settle for less, which may be what he had in mind anyways. Maybe not though since he's an egomaniac.
- Questions now include things like:
1. How will Ukraine respond to these advances by Russian military. It's claimed now that Ukraine doesn't want to respond so that it's clear that they're not the aggressor and the one starting an armed conflict in this case. I'm not sure how it could seem that way, since Russia is deploying their troops into these 2 regions of Ukraine. As I said before though, it's semantics in regards to whether or not they two states are independent, or part of Ukraine, and depends which side you think it correct.
2. How will the UN and NATO respond, even though Ukraine is not in NATO.
3. How will the US respond?
4. Where is the red line that, if Russia crosses, will result in actual physical war?
It seems that most countries, including the US, will take the side of Ukraine and sanction Russia pretty heavily for now, but at some point, I'm guessing that the Ukraine gov't will respond militarily, and there will be military conflict.
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She has no idea what NATO even stands for.
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Per Biden's talk right now:
1st round of sanctions coming
-4 blocking sanctions on 2 large banking institutions
-cut off Russia's gov't from western finances
-sanctions on Russia's elites (oligarchs)
-Nordstream 2 will not move forward.
US will provide support to Ukraine, and NATO forces.
We're providing 'defensive' forces to the area, and do not desire war with Russia
1st round of sanctions coming
-4 blocking sanctions on 2 large banking institutions
-cut off Russia's gov't from western finances
-sanctions on Russia's elites (oligarchs)
-Nordstream 2 will not move forward.
US will provide support to Ukraine, and NATO forces.
We're providing 'defensive' forces to the area, and do not desire war with Russia
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Its unbelievable. He is so hard to watch. Stuttering, slurring, out of cadence.
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I really want to know what drugs they give him before he goes out there to speak.
It must be some powerful stuff.
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You have one of those translation apps? I got nothing out of his spiel.
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Haha. Had to listen very intently. Fortunately, I'm a good translator of drunkenese, which helps me to understand Joe.
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Psaki right before he takes the podium "Whatever you do Joe, don't take any fucking questions."
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Is he done already?
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My best friend of 50 years has his own drunken vocabulary and I'm the only known translator. We call it speaking in hieroglyphics.
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Yep, in and out quickly. Slurred and fumbled his words a few times, talked about some sanctions, and then ran out of the room without taking any questions.
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Now that Biden (and I'm guessing other countries leaders) have gone on record with sanctions against Russia, I'm assuming that Putin will have a response before too long as well.
It appears that the financial sanctions are fairly strong in this first phase, so I'm curious to see what impact it has. Putin may say screw it, we're already committed and push further, since we're only talking about sanctions, or maybe he won't care one way or the other and his plans are already in place, having assumed the sanctions would occur.
My guess it Putin responds back saying that the US is acting negligibly and irresponsibly by not recognizing these 2 new 'independent' states, and is therefore provoking Russia to take further military actions against the Ukraine and western forces.
It appears that the financial sanctions are fairly strong in this first phase, so I'm curious to see what impact it has. Putin may say screw it, we're already committed and push further, since we're only talking about sanctions, or maybe he won't care one way or the other and his plans are already in place, having assumed the sanctions would occur.
My guess it Putin responds back saying that the US is acting negligibly and irresponsibly by not recognizing these 2 new 'independent' states, and is therefore provoking Russia to take further military actions against the Ukraine and western forces.
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She simply lies universally, everyone can see it. constant jitters and cannot form confident statements without a nervous tone just screams shes lying every single time.
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She's just reading what rice/obama put in front of her.
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I've just never seen a President or a VP look so lost and be so poor at communicating. In some cases, it's like they don't have a clue what's going on. Neither of them are articulate or put off a feeling of strength for our country.
