BigBucnNole
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If the American worker is the most productive worker, the next logical step is the incentive that says open markets and auto mated manufacturing. We can compete at any level with any economy.
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If the American worker is the most productive worker, the next logical step is the incentive that says open markets and auto mated manufacturing. We can compete at any level with any economy.
That's not the next logical step at all.
Corporations exist to make a profit. They don't care about the health of their workers, the economy, or the nation they are in as long as they can maximize profits.
If you want to "compete" then competition should be amongst entities with the same goals in mind which is why you can't trade or compete with countries that don't share our same labor practices and social standards.
"Free" trade among western nations is admirable and in some cases semi achievable (although generally not a thing still).
"Free" trade with African, Middle Eastern, Asian, or Central / South American countries is the American people losing out so a corporation can profit.
This is why protected trade is the only viable reality.
The commies didn't bend the knee to Trump because he was worried about "free trade" with those fuckers.
BigBucnNole
Elite
If you have two goods, one from us and one from China as options for a particular product, because we can’t offer a superior combination of price and quality, that’s on us. Not China.
And if we can’t offer a superior alternative, it’s our duty and responsibility to innovate and differentiate to move into new markets for the betterment of this country. Regulation and protectionism creates a mediocre shit hole with no opportunity to advance.
The most heavily protected economy of our lifetimes was without a doubt the most successful (Trump's economy).
I'm starting to believe you don't work in economics at all.
Yore views on economics, "innovation", and "competition" seem to have been created in a board room by suits.
BigBucnNole
Elite
Fastest since the 60's was Reagan in '84. Average growth rate from Kennedy to 1st term Bush 2, was 4%. Trump and Obama average 2% to 2.5%. Not sure what you are talking about.
Thanks confirming you have no clue what yore talking about.
Assuming yore using GDP here and we both know that GDP doesn't reflect the health of an economy.
Puddin has had the high GDP increase since WW2 but nobody with a brain thinks the economy is healthy or on the right track.
We'd have a nation of café workers and you'd be over there talking about how GDP looked fine, due to services rendered, and that the US specializes in espresso
BigBucnNole
Elite
Thanks confirming you have no clue what yore talking about.
Assuming yore using GDP here and we both know that GDP doesn't reflect the health of an economy.
Puddin has had the high GDP increase since WW2 but nobody with a brain thinks the economy is healthy or on the right track.
We'd have a nation of café workers and you'd be over there talking about how GDP looked fine, due to services rendered, and that the US specializes in espresso
Tell me what you think reflects the health of an economy in that case.
Full employment, workers wage increases (especially lowest class), import to export ratio (only net exporting should be acceptable), industrial manufacturing growth, farm and livestock sector growth, energy exporting, are a good start.
An educated and productive workforce, domestic manufacturing sector for any good that can be produced, abundance of raw materials...
GDP would lead the average idiot to believe a bunch of Karen's shuffling papers and waitresses serving water constitutes a healthy economy since it shows up in the tally as a net positive instead of the negative it truly is.
BigBucnNole
Elite
What do you think GDP is?
Gross domestic product (GDP) is the total monetary or market value of all the finished goods and services produced within a country’s borders in a specific time period.
BigBucnNole
Elite
So you take issue with the services not being wealth. Why?
Not true.
Wealth doesn't equal a healthy economy. I don't need to feel any sorta way about wealth to know that.
Some Becky shuffling papers that don't need shuffled or a Karen pouring water instead of pouring steel to export is the problem with that whole globalist system of brainwashing.
BigBucnNole
Elite
Why does it matter if Becky is pouring steel versus shuffling papers? I'm not following you here. Obviously one is tangible, but why does that matter?
Didn't you learn anything from China virus?
People need food, materials, medical supplies, ect (essentially anything domestic manufacturing).
They don't need food service workers, an administrator for when they wipe their asses, and an app to log it when they do. However, GDP would lead a person to believe that those things are equally 'valuable' when they aren't to anyone in the real world.
BigBucnNole
Elite
Would you personally trade being 100% self sufficient at your house w/o a need to go shopping, like a "good economy" in your mind, compared to being say Jeff Bezos? You can't quite farm your own food, but you could buy it.
BigBucnNole
Elite
Fuck yeah!
One is freedom. The other is being a fucking puppet to someone else.
Jeff Bezos has no freedom?
Sikness23245
Elite
Abso-fucking-lutely. For all his wealth and power, Bezos can't do shit on his own. Probably couldn't make a peanut butter and jelly if left on a deserted island full of food.
Ftr, I would prefer to be somewhere in the middle, which is also where I think our economy should be. Self sufficient on the things we're most dependent (food, steel, etc.), but able to outsource everything else if/when needed.
When war, or a natural disaster, break out again I'm not sure how many paper pushers we'll need but you can bet yore ass we'll need people here (domestically) making things.
Besides the obvious corruption / bribes Bezos would employ, food, gas, sugar rations affect everyone equally.
Besides the obvious corruption / bribes Bezos would employ, food, gas, sugar rations affect everyone equally.
He has as much freedom as the people that sell him his shit allow.
Spot on.
You'll never have enough bodies to make every product that the public uses but we can figure out pretty easily medicine, steel, and gasoline trump chop sticks and toothpicks.
But China doesn't require them to jump through any hoops to build their plant. They don't require them to pay minimum wage or insurance or ot or have minimum safety standards or force them to spend money on lawsuits for workers... They also don't have to have their choice in electric controlled so they can reliably know their electric rates will stay low.
People aren't moving to China production because they are better. they are moving over there because its that cheap and its that damn corrupt.
Speaking of populism:
www.politico.com
It could very well be the movement that brings Americans back together on at least one issue.
‘It’s ceding a lot of terrain to us’: Biden goes populist with little pushback
Ten years ago, Republicans would have howled at the executive orders the president just issued. Now, there’s little reaction at all.
www.politico.com
It could very well be the movement that brings Americans back together on at least one issue.
BigBucnNole
Elite
I missed this the first time. This all boils down to... you explaining explicitly why those things aren’t as valuable as tangible goods. There is such a thing as making too much steel and thus useless. And furthermore if someone is willing to pay you $10 for making a widget, or $10 for shuffling papers, why aren’t those equally valued at $10?
You are just glossing over this with a “just because” argument without really thinking it through.
BigBucnNole
Elite
You legitimately think any of what China does is sustainable? China has to push pseudo slave labor policies and subsidize material to barely stay ahead of western non Chinese manufacturing capabilities with their hands tied behind their backs. Your argument should be with the government and looking for best reforms to better produce. Not protectionism. But again, that’s also not going to help anyone because when manufacturing does come back, it’s going all automation.
It’s like I’m in an alternate universe with the right scared of competition and free trade.
Wealth doesn't equal usefulness.
I know yore smart enough to know the difference it's just yore broken ideology won't allow you to admit it.
BigBucnNole
Elite
Wealth doesn’t equal usefulness…
That’s not really saying anything. Are you arguing that an office manager isn’t useful?
I think what you are trying to argue is over employment is not useful but are blurring the lines between that and tangible goods vs services.
There is no way you struggle this hard with basic concepts.
Tell me you think an office manager is as valuable to our economy as a welder, electrician, or press operator so I don't gotta keep playing along with these trolls.
BigBucnNole
Elite
lol, have you ever worked?
Obviously but it's seems like maybe you haven't.
You said you were in college still right?
BigBucnNole
Elite
Do you think the lady in the back shuffling papers, coordinating employees, and work orders is a useless job for electricians?
What about the guy you pay to bring in investment for a particular construction project. Is that useless?
Nobody said they were useless faggot
Sustainable? no. Will it last long enough that our politicians and businessmens corrupt asses ruin our country before that happens? Yep.
Sikness23245
Elite
Court should save some taxpayer money and hand her over to me. I'll make sure she's served a just punishment.
This news dude and the format is totally awesome! Love the sarcasm he blends in with the truth. This needs to be a regular feed on our new sites newsfeeds.
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