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denn said:
Yeah, I remember the woman's team making a fuss about their pay scale. The LPGA tour over the last decade seems to have a great model in closing the income gap between them and their male counterparts. Which doesn't involve much whining about it every time they are on TV. Get better people to market your game. The LPGA did that and are growing as a result.

I think Rapinoe would fit in perfectly at CNN or MSNBC.
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I think the entire pay disparity has everything to do with how many people buy tix/watch on TV.
Ask the average Duke University basketball fan if they go to both the men's and women's games. Ask male and female students.
Ask any big basketball fan if they watch both the WNBA and the NBA.

One league (and for the record, I don't watch ANY professional basketball) is just more exciting to watch.
 
remedy said:
I don’t know how good he is at basketball but 6’9 lefties don’t grow on trees....get him on a long toss program and get him with a legit pitching coach to create a repeatable clean delivery. Will be able to go to any school he wants if he doesn’t get drafted out of HS.
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He is good at basketball. Played varsity as a freshman. Jumps well and shoots well. And he is still growing. Based on what I’ve seen in the basketball recruiting arena with my older son, my younger son will be a D1 basketball player if that’s the route he chooses. But I think he prefers baseball. He has been throwing with a pitching coach for several years now. A guy Who was a big leaguer for a few years with the Blue Jays who settled in this area. He has taught my younger son well. He repeats his mechanics and has pretty good command of four pitches. Right now as a physically immature ninth grader he sits in the low 80s. He has not yet hit any showcases or combines for baseball. The plan is to start doing that at some point this spring/summer. From what we have been told by his high school coach and his pitching coach my younger son will “pop” as soon as he is seen by scouts due the fact that he is 6’9,left-handed, and throws well. Baseball runs in my family. My dad pitched in the Pirates organization during the late 60s/early 70s.
 
BTAvenger said:
He is good at basketball. Played varsity as a freshman. Jumps well and shoots well. And he is still growing. Based on what I’ve seen in the basketball recruiting arena with my older son, my younger son will be a D1 basketball player if that’s the route he chooses. But I think he prefers baseball. He has been throwing with a pitching coach for several years now. A guy Who was a big leaguer for a few years with the Blue Jays who settled in this area. He has taught my younger son well. He repeats his mechanics and has pretty good command of four pitches. Right now as a physically immature ninth grader he sits in the low 80s. He has not yet hit any showcases or combines for baseball. The plan is to start doing that at some point this spring/summer. From what we have been told by his high school coach and his pitching coach my younger son will “pop” as soon as he is seen by scouts due the fact that he is 6’9,left-handed, and throws well. Baseball runs in my family. My dad pitched in the Pirates organization during the late 60s/early 70s.
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Would be curious as to what the pitching coach would say regarding over throwing(too many innings) at an early age. My best friend's kid pitched at Tech just last year.
He spent virtually all his childhood playing baseball. The arm just can't take all that work at an early age. I read and article that stated most kids, if they do make it to the show, have gone through roughly 3/4 of their pitching life for their arms. You see so many just fall off the grid due to "dead arm". The MPH drop a ton and they have nothing left. I firmly believe that is a big reason so many at the MLB level are only going 5/6 innings max as a preplanned schedule. The managers are trying to get as many quality innings out of these kids for as long as they can before it goes.
Hearing about kids also getting TJ surgery on purpose in order to buy some more innings. Really sad.
Best of luck to your boys. Sounds like they have great genes for sports.
 
MVTPatriot said:
Would be curious as to what the pitching coach would say regarding over throwing(too many innings) at an early age. My best friend's kid pitched at Tech just last year.
He spent virtually all his childhood playing baseball. The arm just can't take all that work at an early age. I read and article that stated most kids, if they do make it to the show, have gone through roughly 3/4 of their pitching life for their arms. You see so many just fall off the grid due to "dead arm". The MPH drop a ton and they have nothing left. I firmly believe that is a big reason so many at the MLB level are only going 5/6 innings max as a preplanned schedule. The managers are trying to get as many quality innings out of these kids for as long as they can before it goes.
Hearing about kids also getting TJ surgery on purpose in order to buy some more innings. Really sad.
Best of luck to your boys. Sounds like they have great genes for sports.
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Most people that know more about baseball than I do tell me that a kid shouldn't throw anything more than a fast ball and an offspeed pitch until after their 16th birthday.

Too many kids have ruined their arms throwing breaking balls and sliders at a young age.
 
MVTPatriot said:
Would be curious as to what the pitching coach would say regarding over throwing(too many innings) at an early age. My best friend's kid pitched at Tech just last year.
He spent virtually all his childhood playing baseball. The arm just can't take all that work at an early age. I read and article that stated most kids, if they do make it to the show, have gone through roughly 3/4 of their pitching life for their arms. You see so many just fall off the grid due to "dead arm". The MPH drop a ton and they have nothing left. I firmly believe that is a big reason so many at the MLB level are only going 5/6 innings max as a preplanned schedule. The managers are trying to get as many quality innings out of these kids for as long as they can before it goes.
Hearing about kids also getting TJ surgery on purpose in order to buy some more innings. Really sad.
Best of luck to your boys. Sounds like they have great genes for sports.
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Preemptive TJ surgery is common now
 
MVTPatriot said:
Would be curious as to what the pitching coach would say regarding over throwing(too many innings) at an early age. My best friend's kid pitched at Tech just last year.
He spent virtually all his childhood playing baseball. The arm just can't take all that work at an early age. I read and article that stated most kids, if they do make it to the show, have gone through roughly 3/4 of their pitching life for their arms. You see so many just fall off the grid due to "dead arm". The MPH drop a ton and they have nothing left. I firmly believe that is a big reason so many at the MLB level are only going 5/6 innings max as a preplanned schedule. The managers are trying to get as many quality innings out of these kids for as long as they can before it goes.
Hearing about kids also getting TJ surgery on purpose in order to buy some more innings. Really sad.
Best of luck to your boys. Sounds like they have great genes for sports.
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Travel baseball has ruined a host of wonderful arms. Little League to Babe Ruth League was better. You played plenty of ball and moved on to football in August...and then basketball in November. You developed a lot of muscles and became an athlete. Most baseball coaches will tell you that’s what they’d prefer.
 
AC2020 said:
Most people that know more about baseball than I do tell me that a kid shouldn't throw anything more than a fast ball and an offspeed pitch until after their 16th birthday.

Too many kids have ruined their arms throwing breaking balls and sliders at a young age.
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Studies have shown that Max effort fastballs are the primary culprit for young arm injuries. I have babied the shit out of my younger son’s arm over the years. He has never thrown more than 25 innings in a single season to this point. He just started throwing a curveball last year. Hopefully we are lucky enough to avoid the injury bug with him. My older son also was pretty well protected innings wise and had what the doctors termed to be a fluke injury. I guess Luck is involved.

if you have not done so, read The Arm by Jeff Passan. It came out a few years ago. Incredible book about pitching injuries.
 
AC2020 said:
Most people that know more about baseball than I do tell me that a kid shouldn't throw anything more than a fast ball and an offspeed pitch until after their 16th birthday.

Too many kids have ruined their arms throwing breaking balls and sliders at a young age.
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This....cousin was in the minors for 8 years. Now gives lessons to kids. A 11 year old told him he has four pitches. Cousin said if you want to work with me you have two. Fast ball, and a change up.

My 14 year old son is a very good catcher and is experiencing arm issues( right now it is shoulder tightness) Growing, muscles, over use as a 12 year old, have all contributed to us limiting what he can do. Its frustrating for him and us, because he likes to competes and we feel bad for him.
 
AC2020 said:
Most people that know more about baseball than I do tell me that a kid shouldn't throw anything more than a fast ball and an offspeed pitch until after their 16th birthday.

Too many kids have ruined their arms throwing breaking balls and sliders at a young age.
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Here’s the truth...kids have been throwing curveballs since... forever. Watch what they’re doing when they’re unsupervised...I know that I surely was doing it in the 70’s. My theory with my own son was that if you’re going to throw it, learn to throw it right and don’t over throw it. He pitched all the way through high school and had several small college offers. He chose an academic scholarship at Purdue. He started learning the curve when he was 9...under my supervision. He had a really good one. It never hurt his arm...over using the fastball caused more wear and tear than the curve. In all honesty, in 30+ years of coaching, I’ve seen more injuries from throwing the fastball incorrectly than the I’ve ever seen from the deuce. I can immediately tell by the spin on the ball...I’ve had to fix so many older kids because they were never taught to throw properly in Little League. That slider spin on a fastball is a killer. Here’s a pic of my son in High School.C8399FB6-6B57-4CFF-AAED-83AAB62B3E50.jpeg
 
GatorOK said:
This....cousin was in the minors for 8 years. Now gives lessons to kids. A 11 year old told him he has four pitches. Cousin said if you want to work with me you have two. Fast ball, and a change up.

My 14 year old son is a very good catcher and is experiencing arm issues( right now it is shoulder tightness) Growing, muscles, over use as a 12 year old, have all contributed to us limiting what he can do. Its frustrating for him and us, because he likes to competes and we feel bad for him.
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Can you not move him to a backup, secondary position where he will see significantly less arm action than playing Catcher? I caught in HS and some in college and played 2nd base as my backup position. I started having knee issues as well my FR year of college from catching for umpteen years. It is definitely a love, hate position. You get more action than anyone else on the field my a significant margin.
 
BTAvenger said:
He is good at basketball. Played varsity as a freshman. Jumps well and shoots well. And he is still growing. Based on what I’ve seen in the basketball recruiting arena with my older son, my younger son will be a D1 basketball player if that’s the route he chooses. But I think he prefers baseball. He has been throwing with a pitching coach for several years now. A guy Who was a big leaguer for a few years with the Blue Jays who settled in this area. He has taught my younger son well. He repeats his mechanics and has pretty good command of four pitches. Right now as a physically immature ninth grader he sits in the low 80s. He has not yet hit any showcases or combines for baseball. The plan is to start doing that at some point this spring/summer. From what we have been told by his high school coach and his pitching coach my younger son will “pop” as soon as he is seen by scouts due the fact that he is 6’9,left-handed, and throws well. Baseball runs in my family. My dad pitched in the Pirates organization during the late 60s/early 70s.
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What area are you in? Low 80s as a freshman is good. I sat high 70s as a freshman. Ended up sitting low 90s as a senior and got drafted out of HS. Baseball was my only sport. Gave up basketball when I was a freshman to focus on baseball. I also knew I wouldn’t go anywhere with hoops and my future was playing baseball even though I liked basketball more.
But yes he will get a ton of looks. Especially if his velo continues to grow. What 4 pitches does he throw? Heater, change up, curveball, slider?
 
Emmo496 said:
Can you not move him to a backup, secondary position where he will see significantly less arm action than playing Catcher? I caught in HS and some in college and played 2nd base as my backup position. I started having knee issues as well my FR year of college from catching for umpteen years. It is definitely a love, hate position. You get more action than anyone else on the field my a significant margin.
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He is playing first base for the next few weeks. Lots of Physical therapy and stretching. We have a get well plan. Has grown 4 inches in the last 6 months. he is 6'2. I blame the UPS guy, I don't have that kinda height
 
MVTPatriot said:
Would be curious as to what the pitching coach would say regarding over throwing(too many innings) at an early age. My best friend's kid pitched at Tech just last year.
He spent virtually all his childhood playing baseball. The arm just can't take all that work at an early age. I read and article that stated most kids, if they do make it to the show, have gone through roughly 3/4 of their pitching life for their arms. You see so many just fall off the grid due to "dead arm". The MPH drop a ton and they have nothing left. I firmly believe that is a big reason so many at the MLB level are only going 5/6 innings max as a preplanned schedule. The managers are trying to get as many quality innings out of these kids for as long as they can before it goes.
Hearing about kids also getting TJ surgery on purpose in order to buy some more innings. Really sad.
Best of luck to your boys. Sounds like they have great genes for sports.
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Overthrowing these kids is definitely an issue. Especially with the money grab that is select ball now and kids playing one sport. I played them all growing up until I needed to focus on one. Even then I didn’t throw year round. I wouldn’t pick up a ball for 2-3 months in the offseason. Just strictly workout. Off-season workouts in pro ball I would train from 7-3. First hour was pre arm care which was tedious shoulder, back, scap exercises. Post arm care would take about 30-45 minutes. You don’t see younger kids doing that or even HS kids. (Maybe now cause it has changed so much from when I played) but the arm care stuff is what keeps you healthy and able to throw that many innings.

The TJ on purpose is still one of the dumbest things I have heard. Blows my mind that people think that’s a good idea.
 
remedy said:
What area are you in? Low 80s as a freshman is good. I sat high 70s as a freshman. Ended up sitting low 90s as a senior and got drafted out of HS. Baseball was my only sport. Gave up basketball when I was a freshman to focus on baseball. I also knew I wouldn’t go anywhere with hoops and my future was playing baseball even though I liked basketball more.
But yes he will get a ton of looks. Especially if his velo continues to grow. What 4 pitches does he throw? Heater, change up, curveball, slider?
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We are in PA. Outside of Harrisburg. He throws fastball, change, cutter, and curve. The cutter is nasty when he grips it well...it’s inconsistent. The change up really picked up last season in terms of command. It’s been spotty command wise thus far in the early days of the season. Their first real game is Saturday.
 
BTAvenger said:
We are in PA. Outside of Harrisburg. He throws fastball, change, cutter, and curve. The cutter is nasty when he grips it well...it’s inconsistent. The change up really picked up last season in terms of command. It’s been spotty command wise thus far in the early days of the season. Their first real game is Saturday.
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Cutter is a great pitch. Cutter in, sinkers away have them banging balls in the dirt
 
tgsio said:
The potato 🥔is reading his answer to Zeke's totally random question asked in order. 🤣

He has all the questions and answers written down.

I'm shocked! 😳😜
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Not my fkn dumbass president. Putin's laughing so hard he has a side ache. He needs to save those cheat sheets for his Presidential Library in honor of his first press conference which was nothing more of a circle back episode of Jen.
 

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