Master Thread Dance Your Cares Away/Fraggle/Law Abiding Citizens

[t_money86]

They should NJP all those responsible and pay the back pay from their loss of pay.

 

[imprimis]

Sure it was

Seems like if it were a missile that hit the plane there would be smoke coming from the plane or it would have been blown apart long before is glided into its crash...with no apparent body damage or smoke.

 

[AgEngDawg]

Warroom should be interesting today:

Steve Bannon on GETTR : Pure Raw Hatred Spews Forth from Musk’s Team Towards Americans https://www.mediaite.com/politics/elon-musk-defends-x-eng...

Billionaire Trump surrogate Elon Musk defended one of his employees on Thursday after he received backlash for posting a series of racist, anti-White posts.

gettr.com

 

[AgEngDawg]

Seems like if it were a missile that hit the plane there would be smoke coming from the plane or it would have been blown apart long before is glided into its crash...with no apparent body damage or smoke.

The Navy is literally shooting down their own jets. We need to get our house in order.

 

[dirtytoeddawg]

Last few days I’ve discovered that a lot of people have only heard part of what Trump has said about immigration.

They heard the parts about securing the border & deportations but missed the part about the big beautiful open door for legal entry & fast tracks for vetted/skilled/educated immigrants.

And now it seems a lot of people on the right have joined the left in not being capable/willing to discern LEGAL from ILLEGAL further muddying the waters in the discussion

Shoot the messenger, but that’s a reality.

 

[AgEngDawg]

 

[AgEngDawg]

Last few days I’ve discovered that a lot of people have only heard part of what Trump has said about immigration.

They heard the parts about securing the border & deportations but missed the part about the big beautiful open door for legal entry & fast tracks for vetted/skilled/educated immigrants.

And now it seems a lot of people on the right have joined the left in not being capable/willing to discern LEGAL from ILLEGAL further muddying the waters in the discussion

Shoot the messenger, but that’s a reality.

I don't think most people would have a problem with that as long it is legit and not abuses like the current system.

For example if there is an Indian Kirby Smart out there somewhere, I say roll out the red carpet for him.

 

[Sgfeer]

Seems like if it were a missile that hit the plane there would be smoke coming from the plane or it would have been blown apart long before is glided into its crash...with no apparent body damage or smoke.

I always felt it may have been pieces flying out of the engine hitting the fuselage if it did intake some birds

 

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[dirtytoeddawg]

I don't think most people would have a problem with that as long it is legit and not abuses like the current system.

For example is there is an Indian Kirby Smart out there somewhere, I say roll out the red carpet for him.

Absolutely agree that the entire system needs an overhaul including some protections for native Americans, but reading comments/articles much of the argument is completely muddied with absolutists or pretend absolutists who somehow missed a large portion of DJT's proposed policies or are purposefully muddying the waters to create division.

 

[ShaolinNole]

Writing JavaScript requires slightly higher intellect than picking fruit. There’s blue cities full of certain residents that could pick fruit, if they weren’t busy looting stores.

 

[MortgageHorn]

PIZZA DELIVERY TURNS HORROR SHOW: $2 TIP SPARKS STABBING SPREE

A Florida pizza delivery worker allegedly returned to a motel with an armed accomplice and stabbed a pregnant customer 14 times - all over a $2 tip on a $33 order.

Brianna Alvelo, 22, and a masked man allegedly forced their way into the room where the victim shielded her 5-year-old daughter during the attack.

The victim survived but needed surgery for a punctured lung.

Pro tip: If you're planning to commit attempted murder over a bad tip, maybe don't do it right after delivering pizza in a tracked company car.

Source: Daily Mail

Didn't she know under Trump there is no tax on tips!

 

[Long Cat V2.0]

Good shit here.

I’m about to get on my engineering soapbox…

BLUF: Engineers need a board of certification like Medical Doctors, Lawyers, and CPAs… PE is not effective as the demand pull is too weak.

I’ve said for years that degreed engineers need a certification board before they can “practice” as engineers… About 20 years ago I was a young and green electrical engineer working for a Tier 3 defense contractor. There was this senior guy that worked there and he called himself a “Senior Systems Engineer.” By today’s standards in the defense industry this means the person typically has either a ME or EE undergrad (maybe a Mastsrs in some engineering field) and has extensive real world experience in design, requirements definition, prototyping, manufacturing, test, and fielding of “widgets” or systems. They usually have experience leading teams of multi-disciplinary engineers and technicians, and have years of experience working on multiple designs they’ve seen through delivery. To be a Senior Systems Engineer is quite an accomplishment in an engineering career - you’re dealing with someone that has all the answers or knows how to find the answers efficiently. Now.,, I find out after working with this guy for 3 years that he doesn’t have an engineering degree!! In fact, he has no college degree at all lol. He’s just been with the company for like 30+ years and I guess started calling himself an engineer. I’m talking business cards, email signatures, bosses calling him that etc. it fucking BLEW my mind. Now he was really good at his job, but he had no clue what it actually took to get through an undergraduate engineering program and obtain that piece of paper… He had no clue how to solve a differential equation. He had no clue what it felt like to be a 4.0 student in high school and be a 3.0 student in college (because he chose engineering). Hr had no idea about the shit show of a personal life a young person has while earning an engineering degree… No - he just calls himself an engineer…

It occurred to me then and still today - how many people out there call themselves “engineers” yet don’t have any clue about 3 fucking years of calculus-based physics, 3 fucking years of actual calculus, 3-4 fucking years of circuits/fluids/thermodynamics/, etc… Who has the fucking balls to call themselves an “engineer” without a degree in engineering? It’s like - can you imagine a medical doctor doing that shit?? Oh yeah I’m a doctor but don’t actually have a degree in medicine. Yeah I practice law but I don’t have a law degree. LULZ…

The reason why you never hear this shit is because those professions have certification requirements… Not only do they have to get a degree, but they then have to “pass their boards” before they can practice. This is why you can’t just call yourself a fucking a doctor… And as a result, their professions are “protected” by higher salaries and prestige. I wish the big brains of yesteryear had done this with engineering. Any asshole out there can apparently call themselves an engineer and nobody seems to give a shit.

Engineers do have the “Professional Engineer” (PE) option (and that is indeed a certification/licensure), but the problem is that it’s not required for the VAST majority of engineering jobs, unless you’re going into some sort of Civil Engineering field… Some MEs and EEs do pursue their PE, but it’s the rare exception..,, Maybe a power company has a staff of 400 electrical engineers where 1 or 2 will be EE PEs… The demand simply isn’t there for engineers to be PEs, and as a result - engineers don’t put themselves through the years-long ass pain of a process to get a license that they’ll never need.

What they should have done is make the PE mandatory for ALL engineering jobs. Not only would that protect the term “engineer” but it would also preserve that higher salary and pull more smart kids into the field away from medicine and law. Really the only draw is passion at this point… Money is good and it’s not a bad career to get into financially, but the salaries are stagnant and seem to not keep up with inflation and COLA the way those other professions do. You literally have to job hop to keep up. And it’s hard to recruit college grads when you can only offer them $65K-$75K but a house costs $600K and rents are over $2000 a month. Even if you can get them started much higher, most top out at $150K-ish unless you go into some sort of leadership position.

Engineers have been left behind to some degree because the title has lost its prestige. I try every day and every chance I get to bolster the profession and bring honor to it. I now publicly call out people calling themselves engineers without a degree. I tend to use the term “degreed engineer” more often than simply “engineer”. The first question I have for any engineer I first meet is “what school did you go to and what flavor of engineer are you?” It’s frustrating HOW OFTEN some fucking biology major or some physics major calls themself an engineer. It’s rampant and it fucking sucks…

I’m all in on changing the status quo - we need engineering to become prestigious once again. Our nation needs it immediately.

MAKE ENGINEERING GREAT AGAIN (MEGA)

Hope this helps.

As you mentioned, there is licensing at the state level. Those of us with licenses are legally allowed to call ourselves engineers in most states (unlike project engineers, systems engineers,etc). Unlicensed “engineers” have no idea what it’s like to try and prepare for series of specialized 8 hour tests that have way more impact on your career and life than any college course ever did. Also there’s a reputation / embarrassment factor for not being able to pass the most important test in your field after studying a subject for 4 years.

Generally the PE’s don’t make a big stink about other people using our title. Every state that I’ve worked in has a statute saying you can’t use the title engineer if you aren’t licensed, but I’ve never seen a board discipline a completely non-licensed engineer. Nobody really wants to go pick on the maintenance supervisor at the marriot that calls himself an engineer.

As far as demand, there is a huge demand for licensed engineers. It’s one of the best things about being a licensed engineer. If I needed a new job, I could have 5 offers in the next week or two. Everybody needs engineers, especially electrical engineers.

 

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[Long Cat V2.0]

That is illegal in Georgia at least in work that requires a PE stamp. You have to have personally managed the work on day by day basis. If you do not, we will take your license.

Try explaining to the board that you managed the design work that was done in Poland from the US on a daily basis. The board would skin you and take your license. They would have your ass if something went wrong with your project.

Disagree. You can manage remote design work effectively. Engineering did not stop when Covid hit and people went remote. I have a direct report that I haven’t seen in 5 years and I’m in responsible control of all of his work.

For offshoring, the bigger question for me is how can you have responsible control over individuals at another company?

 

[AgEngDawg]

Disagree. You can manage remote design work effectively. Engineering did not stop when Covid hit and people went remote. I have a direct report that I haven’t seen in 5 years and I’m in responsible control of all of his work.

For offshoring, the bigger question for me is how can you have responsible control over individuals at another company?

When something goes wrong and you are before the licensing board, you are going to get torn apart if you claim that you are managing work on a daily basis from someone outside of the country subject to different laws and even in a different culture.

Sure you will skate until something goes wrong. However, once something goes wrong you are fooked. You will lose your license.

That is called "plan stampers". Plan stampers get their license taken in Georgia.

 

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[Goldhedge]

Never believe the first "Breaking News" report.

 

[Goldhedge]

My dad always said if you asked my aeronautical engineer uncle what time it was, he'd tell you how to build a watch.

I had a boss like that once. I worked in a University computer lab. Whenever I'd ask him a simple question he did a data dump of his vast knowledge - which was totally useless to the task at hand.

I learned to not ask him ANY questions.

 

[Long Cat V2.0]

When something goes wrong and you are before the licensing board, you are going to get torn apart if you claim that you are managing work on a daily basis from someone outside of the country subject to different laws and even in a different culture.

Sure you will skate until something goes wrong. However, once something goes wrong you are fooked. You will lose your license.

That is called "plan stampers". Plan stampers get their license taken in Georgia.

Not necessarily. Responsible control does not equal being in the same room. Louisiana statutes are the most picky about this and even they acknowledge you don’t have to sit with somebody to supervise their work. I’ve had PE’s require the people they are supervising to log every communication on a project by project basis, which is totally unnecessary but gives you a record. Personally I’m confident my QC markups are sufficient.

The only time I’ve been required to use international resources was for federal projects when those resources were in country and I was in the US. I just used my Kansas license for those projects because who cares if something happens and I loose that one.

If something goes wrong and you signed the plans, you are responsible no matter who did the drafting/designing.

 

[Long Cat V2.0]

Actually a potable water leak

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/bronx-water-main-break-cleanup/

 

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[Sgfeer]

And those were his most successful days

 

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[Sgfeer]

No word yet if accident or done by people looking for A/C, in December, in the Northeast

 

[Goldhedge]

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Azerbaijan crash 'EXCLUSIVE'. Biden offered NATO FREEZE. Putin, 2025 victory. Finland blames Russia​

 

[Jayhacker]

The word plumber in CA could mean he scoops up shit off the sidewalk.

 

[AgEngDawg]

 

[AgEngDawg]

Stephen Miller just sent a thinly-veiled warning to the America Last tech faction.... - Revolver News

Tech titans just got a masterclass in America First principles.

revolver.news

Yo Elon we boys and all, but stay in ya lane.

 

[ShaolinNole]

No word yet if accident or done by people looking for A/C, in December, in the Northeast

I’m not in NYC right now. But I was in the park last week and there was a food stand that used oil to fry snacks. You could smell that rancid oil from 50 feet away. The food stand was right in that area.

 

[AgEngDawg]

 

[orng_blud]

Reminder from this date 4 years ago:

 

[imprimis]

And those were his most successful days

No way he signed over 8,000 pardons and clemencies. Guessing there are plenty of forgeries and other people (Jill) signing them.

 

[ChingChongDingDong]

No way he signed over 8,000 pardons and clemencies. Guessing there are plenty of forgeries and other people (Jill) signing them.

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