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if fumes accumulate inside the boat and you don't evacuate the fumes before turning the engine over there's a good chance they'll explode?
Correct. Marine systems are more susceptible than land based systems (e.g. cars and trucks). Older boats have plastic tanks - plastic deforms over time. Fumes escape. Large boats with enormous tanks have a large volume for the fumes to accumulate. Inboard systems have starters in the area that accumulate fumes. Spark and gasoline fumes create a “flash”. If that flash has nowhere to go, it creates pressure and that pressure becomes “an explosion”.

I don’t like smaller privately owned inboard systems for this reason (not yachts - I’m talking Jimbo down the road with 25 foot inboard boat that he maintains himself). I have been running outboard boats for 30+ years and have never worried about this problem. My current center console tank fumes if very full and I have a gauge on my dash that tells me if it’s enough to create issues. If that happens I open the center console doors to ventilate if I’m doing any switching of electronics (bilge, nav lights, live well, etc). The worst case that can happen on my boat is a flash from those circuits in the center console area.

On an inboard the fucking starter is in that confined space. Huge current draw (on the order amps) creates a powerful spark if conditions are right.

Most of these boats have interlocks that don’t allow an engine start without a several minute blow out. I’m guessing that system was either faulty or monster-garaged on this boat and the poor bastard that started it up got fucked…

Tragic.
 

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Correct. Marine systems are more susceptible than land based systems (e.g. cars and trucks). Older boats have plastic tanks - plastic deforms over time. Fumes escape. Large boats with enormous tanks have a large volume for the fumes to accumulate. Inboard systems have starters in the area that accumulate fumes. Spark and gasoline fumes create a “flash”. If that flash has nowhere to go, it creates pressure and that pressure becomes “an explosion”.

I don’t like smaller privately owned inboard systems for this reason (not yachts - I’m talking Jimbo down the road with 25 foot inboard boat that he maintains himself). I have been running outboard boats for 30+ years and have never worried about this problem. My current center console tank fumes if very full and I have a gauge on my dash that tells me if it’s enough to create issues. If that happens I open the center console doors to ventilate if I’m doing any switching of electronics (bilge, nav lights, live well, etc). The worst case that can happen on my boat is a flash from those circuits in the center console area.

On an inboard the fucking starter is in that confined space. Huge current draw (on the order amps) creates a powerful spark if conditions are right.

Most of these boats have interlocks that don’t allow an engine start without a several minute blow out. I’m guessing that system was either faulty or monster-garaged on this boat and the poor bastard that started it up got fucked…

Tragic.

Design flaw?
 
Just curious, where are the dead bodies? I’m guessing this camera had a heat signature, and it focused on the main area of the crowd.
Weren’t there like 50+ people that died? Not one in camera shot?
I know a gal who was there and took one to the knee...

Maybe 24 hr rule on this one.
It's been 2 days since they came out with the news they got shot down.

The only thing that could have happened (from an F16 pilot I know) is they didn't turn on their 'we're friendlies' transponder, which seems kind of suspect you'd 'forget' that when you're in a potential war zone.
 
I know a gal who was there and took one to the knee...


It's been 2 days since they came out with the news they got shot down.

The only thing that could have happened (from an F16 pilot I know) is they didn't turn on their 'we're friendlies' transponder, which seems kind of suspect you'd 'forget' that when you're in a potential war zone.
@GatorOK already told us what happened.
 

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