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AmericanViking said:
He was not a “devout Jew” and being from Judah does not mean a practicing “Jewish” religion.

He challenged the man made laws the Jews were practicing. He constantly preached against “Jewish” practices because they were man made laws by Pharisees and Sadducee’s. You want to come here and say He followed the Talmud? Good luck.

He also wasn’t “Christian”. He was the living God in flesh. He told Paul he could eat foods “Jews” will not eat.

We can just agree to disagree on this subject. He was not a “devout Jew”. A practicing Jew is not a member of Judah.

All of Judah are Irealites but not all Israelites are Judites.

And the covenant was passed to Israelites by Israel. The scepter however will always remain with Judah.
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This just isn't true. Jesus was most definitely a Jewish person as promised by God as part of the Messianic Covenant. He obviously knew the texts, celebrated the rituals, was born to a Jewish mother and father, and attended the temple (synogogue).

Of course he didn't follow the Talmud, it was written 300+ years after his crucifixions and resurrection.

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And don't take my word, take God's word for it.

John 1: 1-12

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life,[a] and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light.

9 The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. 11 He came to his own,[b] and his own people[c] did not receive him. 12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
 
AmericanViking said:
He was not a “devout Jew” and being from Judah does not mean a practicing “Jewish” religion.

He challenged the man made laws the Jews were practicing. He constantly preached against “Jewish” practices because they were man made laws by Pharisees and Sadducee’s. You want to come here and say He followed the Talmud? Good luck.

He also wasn’t “Christian”. He was the living God in flesh. He told Paul he could eat foods “Jews” will not eat.

We can just agree to disagree on this subject. He was not a “devout Jew”. A practicing Jew is not a member of Judah.

All of Judah are Irealites but not all Israelites are Judites.

And the covenant was passed to Israelites by Israel. The scepter however will always remain with Judah.
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Matthew 5:17-19

21st Century King James Version

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17 “Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18 For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
 
AmericanViking said:
He was not a “devout Jew” and being from Judah does not mean a practicing “Jewish” religion.

He challenged the man made laws the Jews were practicing. He constantly preached against “Jewish” practices because they were man made laws by Pharisees and Sadducee’s. You want to come here and say He followed the Talmud? Good luck.

He also wasn’t “Christian”. He was the living God in flesh. He told Paul he could eat foods “Jews” will not eat.

We can just agree to disagree on this subject. He was not a “devout Jew”. A practicing Jew is not a member of Judah.

All of Judah are Irealites but not all Israelites are Judites.

And the covenant was passed to Israelites by Israel. The scepter however will always remain with Judah.
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He was a practicing Jew. On the Sabbath, He was in the synagogue.

He didn't follow the legalistic extra-biblical rules established by the Pharisees, but He did practice Judaism, going to the temple to pay the tithe and give an offering for sacrifice, because THE sacrifice had not yet been given.

The famous last supper was the traditional Passover meal observed by all practicing Jews. He turned it into something else.

He would not encourage anyone today to practice Judaism, because He is the way.

But there is no doubt my Savior is Jewish and his name isn't Ronald Reagan, Donald Trump, or Ron DeSantis -- though I'd willingly vote for all 3 of those imperfect men.
 
ShaolinNole said:
Been saying this since day one.
thecountersignal.com

STUDY: masks might make COVID worse - The Counter Signal

A massive study concluded that wearing COVID masks did not reduce transmission or deaths and may have exasperated the virus.
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They may exacerbate the virus,
but I'm not aware that a virus can be exasperated.
Just sayin'...

Seeing the obvious misuse of language in the first paragraph makes it hard to forward an article for others to look over. :rolleyes:
 
AC2021 said:
Looking at Fiend's responses, he must not only be a Jew hater, but it appears as of he's not a fan of Jesus.
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Thank you AC2021, for sharing your opinion of this "Fiend".
Though why not address "Fiends" argument directly instead of cowardly resorting to underhanded character assassination efforts and attempting incitement of fallacious smear campaigning?

Allow me to directly address you[AC2021]and your manipulative assertions.
@AC2021, your quoted post is comprised of the well known logical fallacy referred to as an......
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AC2021 said:
He was a practicing Jew. On the Sabbath, He was in the synagogue.

He didn't follow the legalistic extra-biblical rules established by the Pharisees, but He did practice Judaism, going to the temple to pay the tithe and give an offering for sacrifice, because THE sacrifice had not yet been given.

The famous last supper was the traditional Passover meal observed by all practicing Jews. He turned it into something else.

He would not encourage anyone today to practice Judaism, because He is the way.

But there is no doubt my Savior is Jewish and his name isn't Ronald Reagan, Donald Trump, or Ron DeSantis -- though I'd willingly vote for all 3 of those imperfect men.
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Before you are deceived by such "Jewish" propaganda, why not search the Scriptures with me to see what God's Holy Word has to say about who killed Christ?

The "Jews" have long been accustomed to adopt the dress of the people amongst whom they live.

They speak the language of the country without foreign accent; they appear to adopt the local mores and customs.

But they live in a world of their own, cut off from the world of "goyim" - "cattle", "non-Jews".

They conceal themselves beneath borrowed identities for centuries, wearing the identity of their host peoples by day and becoming "Jews" again at night.

Many "Jews" change their names or transform their original family names, mimicking the local language.

Thus, "Minkowski" becomes "Minc"; "Shapiro" becomes "Chapiraud" or "Chapier".

The make-up job may be exaggerated to a greater or lesser degree: "Aaron" becomes "Nora", "Nussenbaum" becomes "Rochebrune".

The actor Kirk Douglas ("Demsky") preferred a Scottish name.

The head of the French diplomatic service under President Sarkozy, Jean David Levitt, is obviously a "Levi".

Consider the following:
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"Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul: And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."

(Acts 11:25-26)

"Here we see they lost their name of Galileans (by which they were known by all during Jesus' lifetime and ministry), and, instead, they were called CHRIS-TIANS."

"Today, where would these Israelite descendants of Galileans be found? They would have to be among the people called by their new name, CHRISTIANS! Galileans, not "Jews", became Christians!"

"It is important we realize the teaching that Jesus was a "Jew", and that the disciples were "Jews" is spurious."

"Perhaps the enemies of Christ have been able to fool us by not ...pointing out the true meaning or identity of the word Galilean."

"(1) First of all, Jesus' home was Nazareth of Galilee, so He was called a Nazarene. His childhood was spent in Galilee for the most part. The exceptions would be His annual passover visits to Jerusalem, the time when he was twelve and was left behind in the temple, and, possibly, the time he spent in England (according to tradition, not Scripture)."

"(2) Until He was a young man of thirty, He, apparently, spent most of his life in Galilee. He was baptized in Jordan of Judea; He was tempted in the wilderness of Judea, but He began preaching in Galilee. His first miracle was in Galilee."

"(3) He was prophesied by Isaiah to be made manifest to Israel in Galilee, which He was. Israel believed on Him in Galilee. He chose His disciples in Galilee. When He went to Jerusalem once a year, He did perform some miracles and healings and some teaching, but He, also, performed the only act of rage recorded in the Bible in Jerusalem when He cast out the money changers out of the temple."

"(4) The Pharisees, in derision, called one of their own by the name "Galilean," when he spoke favorably of Jesus. Jesus spoke of Jerusalem only as the place of His death and resurrection. When He told His disciples of that death and resurrection, He told them afterwards that He would see them in Galilee."

"(5) While He was held captive, His enemies suspected Peter of being a follower simply because Peter was a Galilean. The others of His followers who watched H-m die are identified as Galileans. After His resurrection He told the women that He would meet His disciples in Galilee, which He did."

"(6) At His ascension into heaven the angels called His disciples, "Ye men of Galilee." At Pentecost, all of the disciples who spoke in tongues were identified as Galileans and as Jesus' witnesses."

"Yes, the witnessing did begin in Jerusalem, but the witnesses were identified as Galileans. Some may ask: why did the witnessing begin in Jerusalem? Why did Jesus testify, witness and perform some miracles in Jerusalem? Also, why did the Galilean disciples begin their ministry in Jerusalem? The answer is found in the fifteenth chapter of John. This chapter is part of a long teaching discourse by Jesus Christ to the disciples, before His captivity and death. Speaking of why He had come to Jerusalem, Jesus says, among things: If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin:" "but now they have no cloak for their sin."

(John 15:22)

"It was necessary (in God's mercy and righteousness), that Christ testify, witness, perform miracles, and carry out His death and resurrection in the presence of the enemies of Israel (the "Jewish" -Pharisees), so that they would have "no cloak (or excuse) for their sins." They had to witness the sign that Jesus Christ said the Pharisees would be given; that is, His death, three days in the tomb, and His resurrection."

"However, other than these events in Jerusalem and, of course, the casting out of the moneychangers from the temple, Jesus spent His time in Galilee, as a Galilean. He testified to Galileans, His followers were Galileans, and He was referred to as a Galilean."

"I do hope and pray that this information can be used by you to help you understand, that when you are told that Jesus was a "Jew", and that His disciples were "Jews", there is no basis in Scripture for this claim."

"Study the origin of these people--who they were and where they came from--and what Jesus did during His earthly ministry and where He did it. May God use this study to give us a better understanding as we worship Jesus Christ, the Galilean."

-Pastor Emry-
 
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CuriousFiend said:
Before you are deceived by such "Jewish" propaganda, why not search the Scriptures with me to see what God's Holy Word has to say about who killed Christ?

The "Jews" have long been accustomed to adopt the dress of the people amongst whom they live.

They speak the language of the country without foreign accent; they appear to adopt the local mores and customs.

But they live in a world of their own, cut off from the world of "goyim" - "cattle", "non-Jews".

They conceal themselves beneath borrowed identities for centuries, wearing the identity of their host peoples by day and becoming "Jews" again at night.

Many "Jews" change their names or transform their original family names, mimicking the local language.

Thus, "Minkowski" becomes "Minc"; "Shapiro" becomes "Chapiraud" or "Chapier".

The make-up job may be exaggerated to a greater or lesser degree: "Aaron" becomes "Nora", "Nussenbaum" becomes "Rochebrune".

The actor Kirk Douglas ("Demsky") preferred a Scottish name.

The head of the French diplomatic service under President Sarkozy, Jean David Levitt, is obviously a "Levi".

Consider the following:
View attachment 99682
"Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul: And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."

(Acts 11:25-26)

"Here we see they lost their name of Galileans (by which they were known by all during Jesus' lifetime and ministry), and, instead, they were called CHRIS-TIANS."

"Today, where would these Israelite descendants of Galileans be found? They would have to be among the people called by their new name, CHRISTIANS! Galileans, not "Jews", became Christians!"

"It is important we realize the teaching that Jesus was a "Jew", and that the disciples were "Jews" is spurious."

"Perhaps the enemies of Christ have been able to fool us by not ...pointing out the true meaning or identity of the word Galilean."

"(1) First of all, Jesus' home was Nazareth of Galilee, so He was called a Nazarene. His childhood was spent in Galilee for the most part. The exceptions would be His annual passover visits to Jerusalem, the time when he was twelve and was left behind in the temple, and, possibly, the time he spent in England (according to tradition, not Scripture)."

"(2) Until He was a young man of thirty, He, apparently, spent most of his life in Galilee. He was baptized in Jordan of Judea; He was tempted in the wilderness of Judea, but He began preaching in Galilee. His first miracle was in Galilee."

"(3) He was prophesied by Isaiah to be made manifest to Israel in Galilee, which He was. Israel believed on Him in Galilee. He chose His disciples in Galilee. When He went to Jerusalem once a year, He did perform some miracles and healings and some teaching, but He, also, performed. The only act of rage recorded in the Bible in Jerusalem when He cast out the money changers out of the temple."

"(4) The Pharisees, in derision, called one of their own by the name "Galilean," when he spoke favorably of Jesus. Jesus spoke of Jerusalem only as the place of His death and resurrection. When He told His disciples of that death and resurrection, He told them afterwards that He would see them in Galilee."

"(5) While He was held captive, His enemies suspected Peter of being a follower simply because Peter was a Galilean. The others of His followers who watched H-m die are identified as Galileans. After His resurrection He told the women that He would meet His disciples in Galilee, which He did."

"(6) At His ascension into heaven the angels called His disciples, "Ye men of Galilee." At Pentecost, all of the disciples who spoke in tongues were identified as Galileans and as Jesus' witnesses."

"Yes, the witnessing did begin in Jerusalem, but the witnesses were identified as Galileans. Some may ask: why did the witnessing begin in Jerusalem? Why did Jesus testify, witness and perform some miracles in Jerusalem? Also, why did the Galilean disciples begin their ministry in Jerusalem? The answer is found in the fifteenth chapter of John. This chapter is part of a long teaching discourse by Jesus Christ to the disciples, before His captivity and death. Speaking of why He had come to Jerusalem, Jesus says, among things: If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin:" "but now they have no cloak for their sin."

(John 15:22)

"It was necessary (in God's mercy and righteousness), that Christ testify, witness, perform miracles, and carry out His death and resurrection in the presence of the enemies of Israel (the "Jewish" -Pharisees), so that they would have "no cloak (or excuse) for their sins." They had to witness the sign that Jesus Christ said the Pharisees would be given; that is, His death, three days in the tomb, and His resurrection."

"However, other than these events in Jerusalem and, of course, the casting out of the moneychangers from the temple, Jesus spent His time in Galilee, as a Galilean. He testified to Galileans, His followers were Galileans, and He was referred to as a Galilean."

"I do hope and pray that this information can be used by you to help you understand, that when you are told that Jesus was a "Jew", and that His disciples were "Jews", there is no basis in Scripture for this claim."

"Study the origin of these people--who they were and where they came from--and what Jesus did during His earthly ministry and where He did it. May God use this study to give us a better understanding as we worship Jesus Christ, the Galilean."

-Pastor Emry-
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Remember friend he who stirs the shit gets to lick the spoon. Why persist with an argument about a thing or a people or a person when you obviously hate Jews an don't give a shit about Christ either. I think you just do this to torment people.
 
AmericanViking said:
He was not a “devout Jew” and being from Judah does not mean a practicing “Jewish” religion.

He challenged the man made laws the Jews were practicing. He constantly preached against “Jewish” practices because they were man made laws by Pharisees and Sadducee’s. You want to come here and say He followed the Talmud? Good luck.

He also wasn’t “Christian”. He was the living God in flesh. He told Paul he could eat foods “Jews” will not eat.

We can just agree to disagree on this subject. He was not a “devout Jew”. A practicing Jew is not a member of Judah.

All of Judah are Irealites but not all Israelites are Judites.

And the covenant was passed to Israelites by Israel. The scepter however will always remain with Judah.
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You're way off here, my friend.

His parents took him to be circumcised at the temple, just after he was born. He went to temple as a boy. He went to services at the temple throughout his life. He read scripture at the temple and was called "Rabbi". He kept the law. He observed the Feast days.

He undeniably was a devout Jew, in the truest sense of the word, ethnically, nationally, and religiously. He was the embodiment of what God wanted them to be, not what they were. He did not follow their man-made laws - he condemned them for their rules - but certainly followed all according to the old covenant. He was the end of the old covenant. He presented himself to them as their messiah and King, and they rejected him.

The Talmud was man-made, not inspired scripture. It was compiled centuries after Christ, of course he didn't follow it. But in that vein, he rejected the Pharisees and Sadducees because they had hundreds of made up laws they tried to enforce on the people. He didn't reject them merely because they were practicing OT law, he rejected them because they weren't.

The old covenant perished with Christ on the cross. Unlike him, it was not resurrected, it was replaced. When Christ told Peter to 'rise, kill and eat' the old covenant and its ceremonial practices were already dead.

Today, there is no such thing as a Jew (or anyone else) properly practicing Old Testament Judaism. They have no Temple in the ordained place in Jerusalem, they have no Ark of the Covenant. They cannot practice it as God detailed, so they have man-made practices in its stead.

Judah is the true kingdom of Israel. It's not a bunch of imposters as modern day anti-semites claim. The other tribes will return (or be revealed) and be restored at the end, but when Israel split in two, it was Judah that God recognized as the true nation, not the northern kingdom. Hence why some of their kings were godly, while all of Israel's kings after the split were evil, none of them were of the true line of kings.
 
CuriousFiend said:
Before you are deceived by such "Jewish" propaganda, why not search the Scriptures with me to see what God's Holy Word has to say about who killed Christ?

The "Jews" have long been accustomed to adopt the dress of the people amongst whom they live.

They speak the language of the country without foreign accent; they appear to adopt the local mores and customs.

But they live in a world of their own, cut off from the world of "goyim" - "cattle", "non-Jews".

They conceal themselves beneath borrowed identities for centuries, wearing the identity of their host peoples by day and becoming "Jews" again at night.

Many "Jews" change their names or transform their original family names, mimicking the local language.

Thus, "Minkowski" becomes "Minc"; "Shapiro" becomes "Chapiraud" or "Chapier".

The make-up job may be exaggerated to a greater or lesser degree: "Aaron" becomes "Nora", "Nussenbaum" becomes "Rochebrune".

The actor Kirk Douglas ("Demsky") preferred a Scottish name.

The head of the French diplomatic service under President Sarkozy, Jean David Levitt, is obviously a "Levi".

Consider the following:
View attachment 99682
"Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul: And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."

(Acts 11:25-26)

"Here we see they lost their name of Galileans (by which they were known by all during Jesus' lifetime and ministry), and, instead, they were called CHRIS-TIANS."

"Today, where would these Israelite descendants of Galileans be found? They would have to be among the people called by their new name, CHRISTIANS! Galileans, not "Jews", became Christians!"

"It is important we realize the teaching that Jesus was a "Jew", and that the disciples were "Jews" is spurious."

"Perhaps the enemies of Christ have been able to fool us by not ...pointing out the true meaning or identity of the word Galilean."

"(1) First of all, Jesus' home was Nazareth of Galilee, so He was called a Nazarene. His childhood was spent in Galilee for the most part. The exceptions would be His annual passover visits to Jerusalem, the time when he was twelve and was left behind in the temple, and, possibly, the time he spent in England (according to tradition, not Scripture)."

"(2) Until He was a young man of thirty, He, apparently, spent most of his life in Galilee. He was baptized in Jordan of Judea; He was tempted in the wilderness of Judea, but He began preaching in Galilee. His first miracle was in Galilee."

"(3) He was prophesied by Isaiah to be made manifest to Israel in Galilee, which He was. Israel believed on Him in Galilee. He chose His disciples in Galilee. When He went to Jerusalem once a year, He did perform some miracles and healings and some teaching, but He, also, performed the only act of rage recorded in the Bible in Jerusalem when He cast out the money changers out of the temple."

"(4) The Pharisees, in derision, called one of their own by the name "Galilean," when he spoke favorably of Jesus. Jesus spoke of Jerusalem only as the place of His death and resurrection. When He told His disciples of that death and resurrection, He told them afterwards that He would see them in Galilee."

"(5) While He was held captive, His enemies suspected Peter of being a follower simply because Peter was a Galilean. The others of His followers who watched H-m die are identified as Galileans. After His resurrection He told the women that He would meet His disciples in Galilee, which He did."

"(6) At His ascension into heaven the angels called His disciples, "Ye men of Galilee." At Pentecost, all of the disciples who spoke in tongues were identified as Galileans and as Jesus' witnesses."

"Yes, the witnessing did begin in Jerusalem, but the witnesses were identified as Galileans. Some may ask: why did the witnessing begin in Jerusalem? Why did Jesus testify, witness and perform some miracles in Jerusalem? Also, why did the Galilean disciples begin their ministry in Jerusalem? The answer is found in the fifteenth chapter of John. This chapter is part of a long teaching discourse by Jesus Christ to the disciples, before His captivity and death. Speaking of why He had come to Jerusalem, Jesus says, among things: If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin:" "but now they have no cloak for their sin."

(John 15:22)

"It was necessary (in God's mercy and righteousness), that Christ testify, witness, perform miracles, and carry out His death and resurrection in the presence of the enemies of Israel (the "Jewish" -Pharisees), so that they would have "no cloak (or excuse) for their sins." They had to witness the sign that Jesus Christ said the Pharisees would be given; that is, His death, three days in the tomb, and His resurrection."

"However, other than these events in Jerusalem and, of course, the casting out of the moneychangers from the temple, Jesus spent His time in Galilee, as a Galilean. He testified to Galileans, His followers were Galileans, and He was referred to as a Galilean."

"I do hope and pray that this information can be used by you to help you understand, that when you are told that Jesus was a "Jew", and that His disciples were "Jews", there is no basis in Scripture for this claim."

"Study the origin of these people--who they were and where they came from--and what Jesus did during His earthly ministry and where He did it. May God use this study to give us a better understanding as we worship Jesus Christ, the Galilean."

-Pastor Emry-
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Except your conclusion isn’t true and has already been refuted by scripture within the last two pages
 

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