Master Thread Dance Your Cares Away/Fraggle/Law Abiding Citizens

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[FreeMiner]

Another Call To The WHO to stop vaccinating against OMICRON.

 

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Another Call To The WHO to stop vaccinating against OMICRON.

"Heard" immunity...

 

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[Long Cat V2.0]

That's not a vaccine.

It’s also not true. At least not by and identifiable data.

And yes we all know the governments pushing the jab say it limits symptoms. Just like they said you can’t get covid if you are vaccinated.

 

[FreeMiner]

Beginning of a hat band. Only I leave the head on.

 

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[denn]

Noem makes me think she is a Liz Cheney, just on the down low. Which is basically what the article you linked eludes too. I would think Noem would be the first governor to squash this men dressed as woman competing in woman’s sports woke bs.

 

[Phillip McKraken]

Agreed. Article 1 section 8 and the 10th amendment both reinforce that the CMS mandate was the correct ruling.

Congress has the authority to tax and SPEND under Article I section 8 and created CMS to spend and provide for the general welfare under that authority.

It’s pretty clear cut that CMS has the ability to require that of their contractors. People that don’t want to comply can find different jobs and companies can simply not accept the contract if they have an issue with it.

Spoiler: Article I section 8

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

That’s fine and dandy but when you inflate the numbers of cases and deaths, misrepresent the effectiveness of the vaccine, make it so it is impossible to know the complication rate your mandate becomes less and less about public welfare and more about control. Most importantly, we now have a virus that is different from the one when the mandate was issued for. The vaccine loses almost all of its already minimal effectiveness at 60 days and the morbidity and mortality is much less. The push happened because of delta which is no more.

By your logic, anything deemed for the general welfare and health is fair game. So CMS/Medicare could deny payment to institutions based upon virtually anything. There is no standard. I don’t think the founders were thinking about subcontractors at a hospital in rural North Dakota when writing the DOI.

Nobody is forcing them to take a jab. They can find a different job if they wood choose.

The point is that they should be able to foresee government regulations if they are going to work with a company that contracts with the government. I’m guessing you knew that with that ridiculous hot take gave above.

Maybe in opinion.

can call it gooney goo goo juice for all the more it matters. The director of HHS can make that requirement if they so choose. If people don’t like it they can find a different job.

Most people don’t rely on mommy and daddy for their income. There are more subcontractors and ancillary staff at a hospital than high paying jobs that cannot just find a new job. Someone who services the a/c at the hospital makes future plans based on the next paycheck not the next pandemic.

You don’t live in the real world. This is clearly government overreach and has little to do with them giving a shit about anyone.

 

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[ChicagoFats]

Limits symptoms. People with less severe symptoms typically require less resources for treatment. Those saved resources can then bee put towards others and their care as just won common cents example. All that’s assuming the vaccines don’t reduce spread (which is significantly different than “stopping spread” and would be difficult to prove otherwise especially in the face of the copious studies that suggest it does).

Constitutionally speaking it’s not up to yew or eye to determine what it means to promote the general welfare. Congress delegated that right to the POTUS and his cabinet officer (HHS Secretary) as is Congress’ right under clause 18 of section 8 article 1.

If It does not limit spread then it has no effect on the general welfare of the people. Not one person has been denied medical care that needed it so all arguments about requiring less resources are moot.

Any person pushing testing, masking, or vaccine mandates at this point should be publicly ridiculed and shamed.

 

[ChicagoFats]

Fuck Yeah.

 

[America 1st]

That’s fine and dandy but when you inflate the numbers of cases and deaths, misrepresent the effectiveness of the vaccine, make it so it is impossible to know the complication rate your mandate becomes less and less about public welfare and more about control. Most importantly, we now have a virus that is different from the one when the mandate was issued for. The vaccine loses almost all of its already minimal effectiveness at 60 days and the morbidity and mortality is much less. The push happened because of delta which is no more.

By your logic, anything deemed for the general welfare and health is fair game. So CMS/Medicare could deny payment to institutions based upon virtually anything. There is no standard. I don’t think the founders were thinking about subcontractors at a hospital in rural North Dakota when writing the DOI.

Most people don’t rely on mommy and daddy for their income. There are more subcontractors and ancillary staff at a hospital than high paying jobs that cannot just find a new job. Someone who services the a/c at the hospital makes future plans based on the next paycheck not the next pandemic.

You don’t live in the real world. This is clearly government overreach and has little to do with them giving a shit about anyone.

Yea do realize the CMS mandate has to do with staff “in facilities” right?

Please don’t tell me yew came up with this half baked hot take without purposefully attempting to troll. Eye work for a company that receives funding via CMS and trust me when eye tell yew we aren’t thinking twice about this “mandate”. Eye guess that’s part of being a blue collar worker in an in demand field tho (goes back to choices).

Oh and that first paragraph is cute but it still doesn’t stop the Secretary of HHS from executing their rights under The Constitution (and eye agree with yew that some fucking with the numbers occurred at some institutions).

 

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[America 1st]

If It does not limit spread then it has no effect on the general welfare of the people. Not one person has been denied medical care that needed it so all arguments about requiring less resources are moot.

Any person pushing testing, masking, or vaccine mandates at this point should be publicly ridiculed and shamed.

Please don’t tell me yew are willing to stoop to trolling after all the Sirius conversations we have had on Sirius topics especially when there is a shortage of testing, antibodies, staff, and many other critical elements.

If yew honestly think people in healthcare, or contact with the compromised, should forgoe testing just because it Russell’s yore jim jams then I’ve lost sum respect fore yew.

That’s not even touching the subject of it’s the right of the Secretary of HHS, POTUS, and Congress to decide what effects the general welfare and not yew.

 

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[TopHook]

Dat left hand doe!

 

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[ChicagoFats]

Please don’t tell me yew are willing to stoop to trolling after all the Sirius conversations we have had on Sirius topics.

If yew honestly think people in healthcare or caring for the compromised should forgive testing just because it Russell’s yore jim jams then I’ve lost sum respect fore yew.

That’s not even touching the subject of it’s the right of the Secretary of HHS, POTUS, and Congress to decide what effects the general welfare and not yew.

I disagree with the Supreme Courts ruling on the Healthcare vaccine mandate. That being said, I can at least respect the decision as it is at least grounded in some logic (unlike so many other democratic policies right now.)

Any mandate for a shot that does nothing to help or hinder your fellow man, is unethical, immoral, and not grounded in science or logic.

These shots do not do what they were advertised to do, so it is CLEAR AS DAY that the government has no idea what they are doing to your body. Any mandate for such medicine is immoral and unethical.

The masking is useless. There is statistical science that shows that mask mandates do not correlate to lower Covid-19 spread.

The testing is useless. Enough said

Anyone pushing masking, testing, or mandates in relation to Covid-19 should be publicly humiliated and shamed.

 

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[champsballs]

I posted this on another thread but figured I’d do the same here too since we have a lot of Alabama and Georgia homies that have followed this thread since the beginning.
I’m gonna be in Northern Alabama this evening and then be in Alabama all day tomorrow on my way down to Southwest Georgia not too far from Dothan. I left early to beat this storm down south And glad I did. I don’t need to be where I’m going until Monday morning so I have lots of extra time to fill.
Just looking for any recommendations on things to do, cool places to go or see, places to eat, or just about anything.

 

[sanction]

If It does not limit spread then it has no effect on the general welfare of the people. Not one person has been denied medical care that needed it so all arguments about requiring less resources are moot.

Any person pushing testing, masking, or vaccine mandates at this point should be publicly ridiculed and shamed.

Yep. They have moved the goalposts so much that they lost them.

Anyone with common sense now knows the vaccine is bad juju.

 

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