Who are the Jews?

[Cincinattus91]

Is it an ethnicity?
A religion?
A people with a common geographic background?

 

[SmokeHouse423]

I’m not sure who they are but they must be special. Any time someone has something negative to say about them it’s met with distain. Why is saying stuff about Jews off limits but not for any other group, I’ve always found that weird.


On the main board there was a lefty that just so happened to be Jewish. This person also voted for Joe Biden. One day during a discussion someone told him he has betrayed his country. I posted it didn’t surprise me considering his people were ok betraying the Son of God. Got a several week Ban. Again, they must be special since even speaking the truth about them will get you in trouble.

 

[QuanChi]

Depends. Judaism is a religion, sometimes Israelites are called Jews, sometimes people call themselves Jews when they are not

Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 2:8-10 - 21st Century King James Version

"And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write: `These things saith the First and the Last, who was dead and is alive: I know thy works and tribulation and poverty (but thou art rich), and I know the blasphemy of them that say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear...

www.biblegateway.com

 

[TheNJNole]

I’m not sure who they are but they must be special. Any time someone has something negative to say about them it’s met with distain. Why is saying stuff about Jews off limits but not for any other group, I’ve always found that weird.


On the main board there was a lefty that just so happened to be Jewish. This person also voted for Joe Biden. One day during a discussion someone told him he has betrayed his country. I posted it didn’t surprise me considering his people were ok betraying the Son of God. Got a several week Ban. Again, they must be special since even speaking the truth about them will get you in trouble.

Jewbacabra handle always made me piss my pants

 

[AC2021]

I’m not sure who they are but they must be special. Any time someone has something negative to say about them it’s met with distain. Why is saying stuff about Jews off limits but not for any other group, I’ve always found that weird.


On the main board there was a lefty that just so happened to be Jewish. This person also voted for Joe Biden. One day during a discussion someone told him he has betrayed his country. I posted it didn’t surprise me considering his people were ok betraying the Son of God. Got a several week Ban. Again, they must be special since even speaking the truth about them will get you in trouble.

They certainly are. According to the Old Testament they are God's chosen people.

To Abraham in his covenant, God said, "I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you."

They're not perfect and are sinners like the rest of us, but you had better step lightly when blaming or criticizing.

Of course all of that is if you believe things like the Bible.

 

[Hoosier in Mad Town]

A people group OP.

One that wasn’t quite as deplorable as other people groups in early history (believed in a monotheistic God, didn’t sacrifice too many people to stayed of animals, etc… and thus God chose them to be the e people who would first bring the Law to the world, living for a long time in the kingdom of Judah (hence the name Jew) and eventually the Messiah who killed sin itself, his name being Jesus.

And since that time, there has been a fracture in those who understood and believed in the prophesy, who were the fist followers of the Way (which became known as Christians later), and those who rejected Jesus as Messiah.

Ultimately God reconciles all of that I’m the end.

 

[SmokeHouse423]

They certainly are. According to the Old Testament they are God's chosen people.

To Abraham in his covenant, God said, "I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you."

They're not perfect and are sinners like the rest of us, but you had better step lightly when blaming or criticizing.

Of course all of that is if you believe things like the Bible.

I very much believe in the Bible. I just find it odd they are above criticism. Should be not blame those who are worthy of blame and criticize those who are of line? FYI, I don’t believe they are to blame for anything in particular. I’m sure the very top of the Jewish hierarchy is corrupt just like the top of everything seems to be. And Like most other groups maybe the good ones are judged and lumped in with the bad

 

[AC2021]

I very much believe in the Bible. I just find it odd they are above criticism. Should be not blame those who are worthy of blame and criticize those who are of line? FYI, I don’t believe they are to blame for anything in particular. I’m sure the very top of the Jewish hierarchy is corrupt just like the top of everything seems to be. And Like most other groups maybe the good ones are judged and lumped in with the bad

No one is above criticism.

Most of modern day Israel is populated with atheists.

I personally support several missionaries to the Jews currently in Israel to bring them the gospel.

If they don't receive Jesus as Savior, the New Testament says they'll spend eternity in the lake of fire.

 

[Deleted member 2886]

It's good to see there are others open minded.

The fact that attempt at genuine discussion of this subject is immediately met with such intense hostility, generally in the form of passive aggression, -logical fallisies -and under the guise of projected falsified pretenses, only stokes the flames of curiosity -especially as to why such highly coordinated silencing effort.

Anyways, here's a random bunch of somewhat interesting literature pertaining to this apparently "censored" topic.....

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*When Victims Rule.

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*The World Conquerors.

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*Witness to History.

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*Understanding the "Jews", Understanding "anti-Semitism".

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#Now as I've repeatedly made clear in numerous other posts, - I respect every individuals sovereignty equally as do I unto my-self.
So I would greatly appreciate if certain individuals who have already openly attacked "CuriousFiend", who have either not read any of the relevant posts or clearly ignored them, would kindly seek to do so or at minimum, refrain from further unjustified hostility.
Though you are absolutely free to do so as you will.
Thanks

 

[AmericanViking]

All Jews are Israelites but not all Israelites are Jews. God’s chosen are Israelites. God’s desire for Israel was that they would go and teach others about Him. Israel was to be a nation of priests, prophets, and missionaries to the world. God’s intent was for Israel to be a distinct people, a nation who pointed others towards God and His promised provision of a Redeemer, Messiah, and Savior.

None of which Jews have done. They’ve rejected Him and continue to do so. So what group met this idea? What group pointed others towards God and His promised provision of a Redeemer, Messiah, and Savior?. Europeans.

Sorry, Jews have done nothing but reject Him at every turn. Messianic Jews not included which I have in my family. Jews will convert eventually. But they alone are not Gods chosen.

 

[Tell_Sackett]

They certainly are. According to the Old Testament they are God's chosen people.

To Abraham in his covenant, God said, "I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you."

They're not perfect and are sinners like the rest of us, but you had better step lightly when blaming or criticizing.

Of course all of that is if you believe things like the Bible.

This is partially accurate, but I'd like to dive a bit deeper for those that may be interested.

All Judahites are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Judahites. Just like all New Yorkers are Americans but not all Americans are New Yorkers. Israel as a whole is God's chosen people. He established a Covenant marriage with them and promised to bless them. They are commonly described as His treasure, children of the promise, or His Covenant people throughout Scripture.

The Old Testament is essentially an inspired history of Israel's continual betrayal and reconciliation with God the Father until He eventually divorced PART of Israel in compliance with His Law of divorce as described in Deuteronomy 24 due to Israel's repeated unfaithfulness. Read Hosea 1 which describes this divorce in detail.

This is where it really gets convoluted.

Israel (aka the 10 northern tribes) was scattered amidst various heathen nations by God as punishment for their continued betrayal and disobedience.... a broken covenant. Scripture describes Judah's disobedience as just as egregious as Israel's, but God did not divorce them and end His Covenant with them. Why? Scripture does not directly specify but I believe it was to ensure that the genealogical line from which Christ would come be kept within the Covenant with God the Father.

There are 12 tribes of Israel (Gen 49) named for Jacob's (renamed Israel in Gen 35) sons. Judah and Benjamin and part of Levi became the southern tribes and are commonly referred to as the Jews in the NT or Judah mostly in the OT. The Northern 10 tribes are typically referred to as the house of Israel, the nations, or Ephraim in the OT and are commonly mistranslated as Gentiles in the NT. Gentiles simply means "nations" and should be translated as such with surrounding context guiding the reader as to which people "Gentiles" is addressing. It can also mean heathen people and the context in which it is used will tell you. The problem with this mistranslation, is that many Christians do not grasp the multiple meanings of the word Gentile and equate the word with non-Jew and further confuse that as non-Israelite since most people equate Jews to Israelites as God's chosen people and equate Gentiles to strictly the heathen world.

This will sound controversial, but Christ did not come to save the whole world in a direct sense. Rather, He came to save and redeem the scattered house of Israel (the dispersion, the lost sheep) as specifically stated by Christ in Matt 15:24. God the Father could not reestablish his Covenant (marriage) with the northern 10 tribe nation of Israel per his own Law as he divorced them and was not allowed to remarry them per the Law. So He sent Christ who suffered and died as the perfect sacrifice and in the process of His death was separated from God the Father, and then resurrected anew in order to redeem the house of Israel and reestablish God's Covenant with them (remarry). The by product of that was a saving grace that only comes through Christ's death and resurrection, becoming available to any and all. This concept aligns with the parable told by Christ in Matt 13:44. The treasure (Israel) of the Lord was hidden in a field (the world), and God the Father so cherished the treasure that He sent Christ to buy the whole world in order to redeem it. The Bible is a love chronicle between God and Israel, from promise to Covenant, to betrayal, to punishment and ending His Covenant, to sending Christ, to redemption of the lost sheep and reestablishing His Covenant.

Modern day Jews can be difficult to pin down genealogically, just as it is difficult to try and identify modern day descendants of the 10 northern tribes. Many modern Jews are likely descendants of other ancient middle eastern peoples. Many are truly of Israel, and many are not and are likely Esau Edom as described in Malachi 1. You will know them by their fruits, just as Scripture says (Matt 7:20). The "Fruit" that comes from the more modern day peoples should also tell you where the formerly lost sheep of Israel reside today.

 

[AmericanViking]

This is partially accurate, but I'd like to dive a bit deeper for those that may be interested.

All Judahites are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Judahites. Just like all New Yorkers are Americans but not all Americans are New Yorkers. Israel as a whole is God's chosen people. He established a Covenant marriage with them and promised to bless them. They are commonly described as His treasure, children of the promise, or His Covenant people throughout Scripture.

The Old Testament is essentially an inspired history of Israel's continual betrayal and reconciliation with God the Father until He eventually divorced PART of Israel in compliance with His Law of divorce as described in Deuteronomy 24 due to Israel's repeated unfaithfulness. Read Hosea 1 which describes this divorce in detail.

This is where it really gets convoluted.

Israel (aka the 10 northern tribes) was scattered amidst various heathen nations by God as punishment for their continued betrayal and disobedience.... a broken covenant. Scripture describes Judah's disobedience as just as egregious as Israel's, but God did not divorce them and end His Covenant with them. Why? Scripture does not directly specify but I believe it was to ensure that the genealogical line from which Christ would come be kept within the Covenant with God the Father.

There are 12 tribes of Israel (Gen 49) named for Jacob's (renamed Israel in Gen 35) sons. Judah and Benjamin and part of Levi became the southern tribes and are commonly referred to as the Jews in the NT or Judah mostly in the OT. The Northern 10 tribes are typically referred to as the house of Israel, the nations, or Ephraim in the OT and are commonly mistranslated as Gentiles in the NT. Gentiles simply means "nations" and should be translated as such with surrounding context guiding the reader as to which people "Gentiles" is addressing. It can also mean heathen people and the context in which it is used will tell you. The problem with this mistranslation, is that many Christians do not grasp the multiple meanings of the word Gentile and equate the word with non-Jew and further confuse that as non-Israelite since most people equate Jews to Israelites as God's chosen people and equate Gentiles to strictly the heathen world.

This will sound controversial, but Christ did not come to save the whole world in a direct sense. Rather, He came to save and redeem the scattered house of Israel (the dispersion, the lost sheep) as specifically stated by Christ in Matt 15:24. God the Father could not reestablish his Covenant (marriage) with the northern 10 tribe nation of Israel per his own Law as he divorced them and was not allowed to remarry them per the Law. So He sent Christ who suffered and died as the perfect sacrifice and in the process of His death was separated from God the Father, and then resurrected anew in order to redeem the house of Israel and reestablish God's Covenant with them (remarry). The by product of that was a saving grace that only comes through Christ's death and resurrection, becoming available to any and all. This concept aligns with the parable told by Christ in Matt 13:44. The treasure (Israel) of the Lord was hidden in a field (the world), and God the Father so cherished the treasure that He sent Christ to buy the whole world in order to redeem it. The Bible is a love chronicle between God and Israel, from promise to Covenant, to betrayal, to punishment and ending His Covenant, to sending Christ, to redemption of the lost sheep and reestablishing His Covenant.

Modern day Jews can be difficult to pin down genealogically, just as it is difficult to try and identify modern day descendants of the 10 northern tribes. Many modern Jews are likely descendants of other ancient middle eastern peoples. Many are truly of Israel, and many are not and are likely Esau Edom as described in Malachi 1. You will know them by their fruits, just as Scripture says (Matt 7:20). The "Fruit" that comes from the more modern day peoples should also tell you where the formerly lost sheep of Israel reside today.

Thank you!!!

 

[PleasureMoose]

 

[TheNJNole]

I see em, but I don't believe em

 

[AC2021]

It's true that all Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews.

That being said, where are the 10 lost tribes that comprise the remainder of whole ancient Israel?

 

[AC2021]

This is partially accurate, but I'd like to dive a bit deeper for those that may be interested.

All Judahites are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Judahites. Just like all New Yorkers are Americans but not all Americans are New Yorkers. Israel as a whole is God's chosen people. He established a Covenant marriage with them and promised to bless them. They are commonly described as His treasure, children of the promise, or His Covenant people throughout Scripture.

The Old Testament is essentially an inspired history of Israel's continual betrayal and reconciliation with God the Father until He eventually divorced PART of Israel in compliance with His Law of divorce as described in Deuteronomy 24 due to Israel's repeated unfaithfulness. Read Hosea 1 which describes this divorce in detail.

This is where it really gets convoluted.

Israel (aka the 10 northern tribes) was scattered amidst various heathen nations by God as punishment for their continued betrayal and disobedience.... a broken covenant. Scripture describes Judah's disobedience as just as egregious as Israel's, but God did not divorce them and end His Covenant with them. Why? Scripture does not directly specify but I believe it was to ensure that the genealogical line from which Christ would come be kept within the Covenant with God the Father.

There are 12 tribes of Israel (Gen 49) named for Jacob's (renamed Israel in Gen 35) sons. Judah and Benjamin and part of Levi became the southern tribes and are commonly referred to as the Jews in the NT or Judah mostly in the OT. The Northern 10 tribes are typically referred to as the house of Israel, the nations, or Ephraim in the OT and are commonly mistranslated as Gentiles in the NT. Gentiles simply means "nations" and should be translated as such with surrounding context guiding the reader as to which people "Gentiles" is addressing. It can also mean heathen people and the context in which it is used will tell you. The problem with this mistranslation, is that many Christians do not grasp the multiple meanings of the word Gentile and equate the word with non-Jew and further confuse that as non-Israelite since most people equate Jews to Israelites as God's chosen people and equate Gentiles to strictly the heathen world.

This will sound controversial, but Christ did not come to save the whole world in a direct sense. Rather, He came to save and redeem the scattered house of Israel (the dispersion, the lost sheep) as specifically stated by Christ in Matt 15:24. God the Father could not reestablish his Covenant (marriage) with the northern 10 tribe nation of Israel per his own Law as he divorced them and was not allowed to remarry them per the Law. So He sent Christ who suffered and died as the perfect sacrifice and in the process of His death was separated from God the Father, and then resurrected anew in order to redeem the house of Israel and reestablish God's Covenant with them (remarry). The by product of that was a saving grace that only comes through Christ's death and resurrection, becoming available to any and all. This concept aligns with the parable told by Christ in Matt 13:44. The treasure (Israel) of the Lord was hidden in a field (the world), and God the Father so cherished the treasure that He sent Christ to buy the whole world in order to redeem it. The Bible is a love chronicle between God and Israel, from promise to Covenant, to betrayal, to punishment and ending His Covenant, to sending Christ, to redemption of the lost sheep and reestablishing His Covenant.

Modern day Jews can be difficult to pin down genealogically, just as it is difficult to try and identify modern day descendants of the 10 northern tribes. Many modern Jews are likely descendants of other ancient middle eastern peoples. Many are truly of Israel, and many are not and are likely Esau Edom as described in Malachi 1. You will know them by their fruits, just as Scripture says (Matt 7:20). The "Fruit" that comes from the more modern day peoples should also tell you where the formerly lost sheep of Israel reside today.

Gentiles is not mistranslated in the New Testament.

That's ridiculous.

 

[Tell_Sackett]

Gentiles is not mistranslated in the New Testament.

That's ridiculous.

Call it misunderstood or mischaracterized then if it makes you feel better.

What does the word Gentile mean?

Read Romans 15:9-12 and then read 2 Sam 22:50, Deut 32:43, Psa 117:1, and Isa 11:10 from which they are quoted. Notice anything?

Then read Matt 10:5 and tell me whether Gentiles in that verse are the same people referred to in Romans quoting the OT.

 

[shiv]

I’m not sure who they are but they must be special. Any time someone has something negative to say about them it’s met with distain. Why is saying stuff about Jews off limits but not for any other group, I’ve always found that weird.


On the main board there was a lefty that just so happened to be Jewish. This person also voted for Joe Biden. One day during a discussion someone told him he has betrayed his country. I posted it didn’t surprise me considering his people were ok betraying the Son of God. Got a several week Ban. Again, they must be special since even speaking the truth about them will get you in trouble.

I remember that guy, can’t think of his name. He even posted in the DYCA thread a couple times

 

[AC2021]

Call it misunderstood or mischaracterized then if it makes you feel better.

What does the word Gentile mean?

Read Romans 15:9-12 and then read 2 Sam 22:50, Deut 32:43, Psa 117:1, and Isa 11:10 from which they are quoted. Notice anything?

Then read Matt 10:5 and tell me whether Gentiles in that verse are the same people referred to in Romans quoting the OT.

I read and can translate the original Greek. Can you?

Your claim is so ridiculous and off course that it hardly merits a response.

 

[PleasureMoose]

i don't why its so controversial to admit that ancient Israelites had blond hair and blue eyes

 

[Tell_Sackett]

I read and can translate the original Greek. Can you?

Your claim is so ridiculous and off course that it hardly merits a response.

Good. Then you know what it means. If my understanding is off course, then please respond. I don't want to misunderstand Scripture. Are they the same people in the verses above?

STRONGS NT 1484: ἔθνος (translated as Gentile(s) from the Greek)

1. a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together; a company, troop, swarm

2. a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus; the human race

3. race, nation, used (in the singular) of the Jewish people,

4. (τά ἔθνη, like הַגויִם in the O. T., foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles, and very often; in plain contradistinction to the Jews:

5. Paul uses τά ἔθνη even of Gentile Christians:

 

[Timothy]

Herbert Armstrong had an interesting take on the 10 lost tribes. He believed that each of the European nations and the U.S. could trace its lineage back to those 10 tribes.

A bit far-fetched IMHO, but it is food for thought. And yes, all the nations he mentioned are mostly white people.

 

[Emma tenywa]

The Ashkenazi Jews

 

[Hoosier in Mad Town]

Good. Then you know what it means. If my understanding is off course, then please respond. I don't want to misunderstand Scripture. Are they the same people in the verses above?

STRONGS NT 1484: ἔθνος (translated as Gentile(s) from the Greek)

1. a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together; a company, troop, swarm

2. a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus; the human race

3. race, nation, used (in the singular) of the Jewish people,

4. (τά ἔθνη, like הַגויִם in the O. T., foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles, and very often; in plain contradistinction to the Jews:

5. Paul uses τά ἔθνη even of Gentile Christians:

I see you are referencing both Enthnikos (adverb) and Ethne (noun).

It's pretty clear that Jesus was stated to spread the the Gospel to all nations (ethne) tribes and tongues in Matthew 28. This aligned with his actions in healing non-Israelites (I believe the distinction you are making) with the Roman centurion and the demon-possessed man at Gadarenes who had pigs (which points to them not being Jewish or Israelites), and the demon-possessed Canaanite girl (non Israelite).

 

[Cincinattus91]

It seems like we are up in arms about a term with rather ambitious meaning or no meaning at all in this point of history

 

[Tell_Sackett]

I see you are referencing both Enthnikos (adverb) and Ethne (noun).

It's pretty clear that Jesus was stated to spread the the Gospel to all nations (ethne) tribes and tongues in Matthew 28. This aligned with his actions in healing non-Israelites (I believe the distinction you are making) with the Roman centurion and the demon-possessed man at Gadarenes who had pigs (which points to them not being Jewish or Israelites), and the demon-possessed Canaanite girl (non Israelite).

God, through Christ's death and resurrection, redeemed the people he previously possessed that were scattered through the nations. The lost sheep of the house of Israel. I can see a few possibly taking this in a different direction. I want to be clear.... I am not saying only certain races can be saved here.....far from it. I am trying to draw a distinction that the usage of Gentiles in Scripture does not always mean people who were never previously God's people. That was my previous understanding and I know there are many Christians who mistakenly believe that as well.

In essence, God scattered a large part of his treasured possession, due to their repeated disobedience, to seed or hide them amidst the world. He then redeemed the scattered remnant and in the process bought the whole world to do it. Those scattered were then targeted by Paul and others and brought back to the fold to spread the gospel throughout the world.

Jews are often targeted fairly or unfairly as Scripture repeatedly references wolves in sheep's clothing. Who are the sheep? Israel. Who are the wolves? Those who disguise themselves as sheep. Modern Jews are nearly universally referenced as God's physical people and Christians are commonly referenced only as spiritual Israel. That is why modern Jews get so much divergent treatment. However, a whole heck of a lot of Christians (and Jews) are physical descendants of ancient Israelites. Again, you will know them by their fruits. If those claiming to be physical Covenant people are blasphemers, then they must be the wolves Scripture warns us about.

 

[AC2021]

Good. Then you know what it means. If my understanding is off course, then please respond. I don't want to misunderstand Scripture. Are they the same people in the verses above?

STRONGS NT 1484: ἔθνος (translated as Gentile(s) from the Greek)

1. a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together; a company, troop, swarm

2. a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus; the human race

3. race, nation, used (in the singular) of the Jewish people,

4. (τά ἔθνη, like הַגויִם in the O. T., foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles, and very often; in plain contradistinction to the Jews:

5. Paul uses τά ἔθνη even of Gentile Christians:

Ethnos is where we get our word "ethnic" from.

It's general use is to describe a variety of people groups.

I'm driving right now and can't do much, but will take a deeper dive into the Bible passages you mention when I get a chance, possibly tomorrow.

 

[PerdidoKeyFrisbee]

Is it an ethnicity?
A religion?
A people with a common geographic background?

The easy answer is to say all three apply but all three have exceptions. Some Jews don't practice their religion, not all Jews live in Israel, and not all people think of Jews in ethnic terms. The Jews that don't practice their religion most likely practice the religion of liberalism. These are the ones that I don't understand.

For instance, Donald Trump is revered in Israel because Israel knew they didn't have a better friend/ally than Trump. Yet the liberal Jews hate Trump with a passion and vote for leftists like Obama and Biden who loath Israel. Also, going back in history you'll find many of the spies during the Cold War were Jewish including the Rosenbergs, Harry Gold, and David Greenglass. They, along with Klaus Fuchs, handed over the Atomic bomb to the Soviet Union being devout commies. In today's terms, that would make them Democrats.

Still, not all Jews are American-hating spies/democrats. You've got some cool ones too like David Lee Roth and Adam Sandler.

 

[Jtrain80]

Can we make diversity Israel's greatest strength?

 

[TJHall1]

 

[AC2021]

Here's what Strongs says about ethnos - a race (as of the same habit), i.e. a tribe; specially a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by implication pagan) :- Gentile, heathen, nation, people.
Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.

AT Robertson remains the preeminent voice re: Biblical Greek. Here's what Robertson says about Romans 15:9 - And that the Gentiles might praise (ta de ethnē doxasai). Coordinate with bebaiōsai and eis to, to be repeated with ta ethnē, the accusative of general reference and ton theon the object of doxasai. Thus the Gentiles were called through the promise to the Jews in the covenant with Abraham (Romans 4:11-12, 16-17). Salvation is of the Jews. Paul proves his position by a chain of quotations from the O.T., the one in Romans 15:9 from Psalm 18:50. For exomologeō, see Romans 14:10.

2 Samuel 22:50 in the NKJV still translates the word the same - "Gentiles."

- The KJV translates it "heathen." (I love the word heathen, btw.)
- The ESV translates the word "the nations."
- Other modern translations have something similar.

The best way to see the truth is to lift the sheets and see what is actually there in the original language. The Hebrew word is the term "goy." Strong's says this about the word -
rarely (shortened) goy, go'-ee; apparently from the same root as <H1465> (gevah) (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence a Gentile; also (figurative) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts :- Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

Here is how the word is translated in the KJV (588 times used) -
nation 374
heathen 143
Gentiles 30
people 11

Deut 32:43, Psa 117:1, and Isa 11:10 all use the same Hebrew word.

All of the OT references use the word as reference to non-Jews.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about Matt. 10:5. But I do know this, the word ethnos is once again used.

It's very simple. Both "ethnos" and "goy" in every case refers to non-Jews, because in every case it's literally what the word means.

It's really not complicated at all.

 

[Rube Reaper]

A bunch of thieving rubes who stole Palestinian land.

 

[AC2021]

Good. Then you know what it means. If my understanding is off course, then please respond. I don't want to misunderstand Scripture. Are they the same people in the verses above?

STRONGS NT 1484: ἔθνος (translated as Gentile(s) from the Greek)

1. a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together; a company, troop, swarm

2. a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus; the human race

3. race, nation, used (in the singular) of the Jewish people,

4. (τά ἔθνη, like הַגויִם in the O. T., foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles, and very often; in plain contradistinction to the Jews:

5. Paul uses τά ἔθνη even of Gentile Christians:

I don't know where you're getting bullet point #3. That is not what Strong's says.

Here is what it says re: your bullet point #3: "Occasionally it is used of gentile converts in distinction from Jews, e.g., Rom. 11:13; 16:4; Gal. 2:12, 14, Eph. 3:1.

That was either an honest mistake on your part (which I'm sure is the case), or you quoted it from an internet site that was being intentionally deceitful, or you were being intentionally deceitful (which I don't think is the case on your part).

 

[AC2021]

It's good to see there are others open minded.

The fact that attempt at genuine discussion of this subject is immediately met with such intense hostility, generally in the form of passive aggression, -logical fallisies -and under the guise of projected falsified pretenses, only stokes the flames of curiosity -especially as to why such highly coordinated silencing effort.

Anyways, here's a random bunch of somewhat interesting literature pertaining to this apparently "censored" topic.....

---

*When Victims Rule.

---

*The World Conquerors.

---

*Witness to History.

---

*Understanding the "Jews", Understanding "anti-Semitism".

---

#Now as I've repeatedly made clear in numerous other posts, - I respect every individuals sovereignty equally as do I unto my-self.
So I would greatly appreciate if certain individuals who have already openly attacked "CuriousFiend", who have either not read any of the relevant posts or clearly ignored them, would kindly seek to do so or at minimum, refrain from further unjustified hostility.
Though you are absolutely free to do so as you will.
Thanks

In your own words, what are you trying to claim about the “Ashkenazi” Jews?

 

[Cincinattus91]

Can we make diversity Israel's greatest strength?

That is an odd one...I don't see that push in Israel

Everywhere else gets that beauty tho

 

[Tell_Sackett]

I don't know where you're getting bullet point #3. That is not what Strong's says.

Here is what it says re: your bullet point #3: "Occasionally it is used of gentile converts in distinction from Jews, e.g., Rom. 11:13; 16:4; Gal. 2:12, 14, Eph. 3:1.

That was either an honest mistake on your part (which I'm sure is the case), or you quoted it from an internet site that was being intentionally deceitful, or you were being intentionally deceitful (which I don't think is the case on your part).

The definition was abridged from Thayers Greek lexicon referencing the Strongs number.

 

[Tell_Sackett]

Here's what Strongs says about ethnos - a race (as of the same habit), i.e. a tribe; specially a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by implication pagan) :- Gentile, heathen, nation, people.
Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.

AT Robertson remains the preeminent voice re: Biblical Greek. Here's what Robertson says about Romans 15:9 - And that the Gentiles might praise (ta de ethnē doxasai). Coordinate with bebaiōsai and eis to, to be repeated with ta ethnē, the accusative of general reference and ton theon the object of doxasai. Thus the Gentiles were called through the promise to the Jews in the covenant with Abraham (Romans 4:11-12, 16-17). Salvation is of the Jews. Paul proves his position by a chain of quotations from the O.T., the one in Romans 15:9 from Psalm 18:50. For exomologeō, see Romans 14:10.

2 Samuel 22:50 in the NKJV still translates the word the same - "Gentiles."

- The KJV translates it "heathen." (I love the word heathen, btw.)
- The ESV translates the word "the nations."
- Other modern translations have something similar.

The best way to see the truth is to lift the sheets and see what is actually there in the original language. The Hebrew word is the term "goy." Strong's says this about the word -
rarely (shortened) goy, go'-ee; apparently from the same root as <H1465> (gevah) (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence a Gentile; also (figurative) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts :- Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

Here is how the word is translated in the KJV (588 times used) -
nation 374
heathen 143
Gentiles 30
people 11

Deut 32:43, Psa 117:1, and Isa 11:10 all use the same Hebrew word.

All of the OT references use the word as reference to non-Jews.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about Matt. 10:5. But I do know this, the word ethnos is once again used.

It's very simple. Both "ethnos" and "goy" in every case refers to non-Jews, because in every case it's literally what the word means.

It's really not complicated at all.

Isaiah 11 (ESV)
10 In that day the root of Jesse, who shall stand as a signal for the peoples—of him shall the nations inquire, and his resting place shall be glorious. 11 In that day the Lord will extend his hand yet a second time to recover the remnant that remains of his people, from Assyria, from Egypt, from Pathros, from Cush, from Elam, from Shinar, from Hamath, and from the coastlands of the sea.

The remnant of his people from the nations referenced here are clearly Israelites, not non Israelites. God cannot recover what He did not previously possess.

 

[AC2021]

The definition was abridged from Thayers Greek lexicon referencing the Strongs number.

Interesting. It does (just checked).

It tells us it's used that way in Luke 7:5 and 23:2.

Luke 7:5 (NKJV)
5 "for he loves our nation, and has built us a synagogue."

And "ethnos" is used there.

Luke 23:2 (NKJV)
2 And they began to accuse Him, saying, "We found this fellow perverting the nation, and forbidding to pay taxes to Caesar, saying that He Himself is Christ, a King."

"Ethnos" once again is used and should be more accurately translated "our nation."

Hmmm, looking at this, certainly context should determine the translation, as a Greek or Babylonian saying "our nation" or "our people" will differ from when a Jew did the same, as all 3 groups had in that time varying ethnicities.

Ok, I'm officially lost in the discussion: What was the point you were trying to make again?

 

[AC2021]

Isaiah 11 (ESV)
10 In that day the root of Jesse, who shall stand as a signal for the peoples—of him shall the nations inquire, and his resting place shall be glorious. 11 In that day the Lord will extend his hand yet a second time to recover the remnant that remains of his people, from Assyria, from Egypt, from Pathros, from Cush, from Elam, from Shinar, from Hamath, and from the coastlands of the sea.

The remnant of his people from the nations referenced here are clearly Israelites, not non Israelites. God cannot recover what He did not previously possess.

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but does this mean that you're shaming Paul for his missionary efforts among the Gentile nations?

 

[Tell_Sackett]

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but does this mean that you're shaming Paul for his missionary efforts among the Gentile nations?

Oh no.... Please don't misunderstand. Paul did what he was directed to do by Christ. I believe Scripture harmonizes when understanding that the "Gentiles" Paul was directed to target were non-Judahite Israelite people dispersed to other nations. These people were physical descendants of the 10 northern tribes. God used their betrayal and dispersion to seed the heathen world with His people and through Christ's redemption of these lost sheep, the world was purchased. Judah of Paul's day had largely ostracized these genealogical brothers in Christ that were dispersed because they no longer followed the traditional customs and rites.