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What's the positive spin on military mandates?

Viking

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Not true. People are getting this based on their own free will.

We discussing opinions but as I’ve shown some people are suggesting things are fact that are actually no true. It’s why some posters are so badly Russelled about the whole thing when I point out their inaccuracies.


It’s actually pretty frustrating having to fill people in on basic facts and easily accessible knowledge but someone has to put America 1st and say the difficult things just like The Don does.
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26. As such, I believe it is reasonable to conclude that many humans are allergic to these dangerous and deadly toxins and therefore should not take vaccinations with either Comirnaty or BioNtech. Again, I have identified an agent that possess a significant hazard to Soldiers, which would fall under DA Pam 385-61 Toxic Safety Standards cited in 2-11.


27. My assessment is that ALC 0315 is a known toxin with little study, specifically restricted to “research only“ and effectively has no prior use history, with the SDS designation of (GHS02), listed as H315 and H319, in other words, hazardous if inhaled, ingested or in contact with skin and a health hazard with the designation (P313). A review of the SDS outlines that it is not for human or veterinary use,


28. I have not taken significant time to delineate the risks of other Covid 19 Vaccines other than the Safety Data Sheet of Moderna’s key ingredient, SM-102 (attached as Exhibit C). Suffice it to say that SM-102 is significantly more dangerous than the Pfizer ALC 3015 and it appears that the DOD is not actively acquiring or distributing this IND/EUA. If the DOD were to undertake use of the Moderna vaccine, one can expect a much higher Serious Adverse Event and fatality rate given that SM-102 carries an express warning “Skull and Crossbones” characterized under the GHS06 and GHS08. In other words, this Moderna ingredient is deadly.

 

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I look back to the aircraft carrier scenario early on in the pandemic as a tipping point for military brass. Kinda hard to argue with that.

It's really simple. Don't want to take the vax? Don't join. You knew (or should have) what you signed up for. It's not like they are forcing you to take it. You have the choice to leave.
You talking about the scenario that saw a few people get a headache and a few get cold and flu symptoms.... that one? That got overblown because we didn't know what we were dealing with. Nobody on that boat died and nobody got seriously ill. The vax doesn't work as intended so why are they pushing so it hard? You understand that peoples bullshit detector goes off when they are straight up lied to repeatedly on a subject and you want them to believe that this vax is 100% safe? lol.
 

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tHE vAcCiNeS dOn’T wOrK…

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“The vaccines are good, they work”.

— Donald J. Trump
08/21/2021

Otherwise Trump, Ron, and every hospital in the country is in on the hoax…
 

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tHE vAcCiNeS dOn’T wOrK…

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“The vaccines are good, they work”.

— Donald J. Trump
08/21/2021

Otherwise Trump, Ron, and every hospital in the country is in on the hoax…
Those Israel #'s though. Weird that they have so many vaccinated getting hospitalized but we don't.... almost like our health officials decided not to count people who had been vax'd in the hospitalizations...

But that's the problem with having a bunch of liars in government. They might be telling the truth this time but once you've lied to me 13 times Im just not going to believe you on anything.

I've had covid and Im not getting vaxd. I am the control group.
 

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Those Israel #'s though. Weird that they have so many vaccinated getting hospitalized but we don't.... almost like our health officials decided not to count people who had been vax'd in the hospitalizations...

But that's the problem with having a bunch of liars in government. They might be telling the truth this time but once you've lied to me 13 times Im just not going to believe you on anything.

I've had covid and Im not getting vaxd. I am the control group.
The Israeli #s aren’t weird.

95% of their population is vaccinated. We should expect them to have vaccinated people still ending up in the hospital just like everywhere else.

It’s pretty clear from everything I’ve posted they are counting the vaccinated accurately at most of these places but if you believe otherwise we can agree to disagree 🤷‍♂️

I couldn’t care less if you get it or not and we likely agree that <1% of people have an adverse reaction of some sort. We definitely agree the government is full of plenty of crooks.

Where I wouldn’t agree with folks is that they don’t work. They clearly lessen symptoms and minimize serious illness for many folks.

This is the Israeli data below:

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A nice breakdown of how the Israeli data supports the notion that the vaccines are working as intended.

 

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The Israeli #s aren’t weird.

95% of their population is vaccinated. We should expect them to have vaccinated people still ending up in the hospital just like everywhere else.

It’s pretty clear from everything I’ve posted they are counting everyone accurately at most of these places but if you believe otherwise we can agree to disagree 🤷‍♂️

I couldn’t care less if you get it or not and we likely agree that <1% of people have an adverse reaction of some sort. We definitely agree the government is full of plenty of crooks.

Where I wouldn’t agree with folks is that they don’t work. They clearly lessen symptoms and minimize serious illness for many folks.
I said "they don't work as intended". They were supposed to be 95% effective and then it was 80% and then it was people could spread covid without symptoms with the vax... They definitely help to prevent severe reactions to covid but the push to get 5 to 12 yo kids vaxd just set off my BS meter. That age group is more likely to die in a pool or a car crash or even accidental poisoning.

The fact that there is a narrative of... "we need to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated" should tell you where Im coming from.

The fact that this vax allows so many breakthrough cases is going to lead to more diversity in the virus instead of it naturally becoming less deadly and more easily spread.

Fall 2022 will tell the tale though.
 

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I said "they don't work as intended". They were supposed to be 95% effective and then it was 80% and then it was people could spread covid without symptoms with the vax... They definitely help to prevent severe reactions to covid but the push to get 5 to 12 yo kids vaxd just set off my BS meter. That age group is more likely to die in a pool or a car crash or even accidental poisoning.

The fact that there is a narrative of... "we need to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated" should tell you where Im coming from.

The fact that this vax allows so many breakthrough cases is going to lead to more diversity in the virus instead of it naturally becoming less deadly and more easily spread.

Fall 2022 will tell the tale though.
Agree with the bold for sure.

The reason they are able to so effectively play the fear porn card is because, as many here show, they laugh of the seriousness of the virus. It makes anyone who has apprehension about the virus look at those people as tools and further entrenches the division on both sides.

The really sad part is that it’s destroying the right and solidifying the left. 95-98% of Dims feel the same way about vaccines while only 3/4 of Pubs agree on the vaccines. When that 1/4 of pubs picks that hill to die on, and so brazenly by calling people that make it and take them war criminals / criminals, it really fucks over the bigger picture while distracting people from more important topics like election integrity.
 

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I always trust numbers the gov't puts out. DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
People should quit looking so much into these "numbers" go down rabit holes and make a personal and consensus decision on what they truly believe. Instead of "oh well the CDC said this percent." Since when are any percentages or numbers the government puts out proven as 100% true.
We live in a world of information- the truth is out there but people have to spent time and hunt for it instead of hitting click bait.
 

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People should quit looking so much into these "numbers" go down rabit holes and make a personal and consensus decision on what they truly believe. Instead of "oh well the CDC said this percent." Since when are any percentages or numbers the government puts out proven as 100% true.
We live in a world of information- the truth is out there but people have to spent time and hunt for it instead of hitting click bait.
This.

Regardless of how someone feels about the numbers (which obviously can’t all be tainted because all of them aren’t even from government sources) it’s pretty apparent that not only do the vaccines work but that they aren’t killing or hurting a statistically significant number of people.

We would know by now if they were and there is just simply nothing there to suggest that besides a few TikTok and YouTube videos where folks peddle doomsday scenarios just like has always happened.

Hell out of the dozens of people I’ve talked to after getting theirs (all brands) I’ve only found one person who had any reaction and it was a headache.

I suspect that some people are as defensive about the situation as they are, and purposefully misconstruing basic facts and statements, because they’re at the point where cognitive dissonance has already set in and admitting or realizing anything else that is against their stance simply hurts their ego and antigovernment position too much.
 
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