What is Christian nationalism?

[AC2021]

And why is it that radical leftists are the ones that squeak about this relatively new term more than any others?

 

[TopHook]

Communist and religion don't go together, and America was founded by Christians and with the free speech in this nation and other white nations they just started there. Like before they will fail again.

 

[TheResister]

And why is it that radical leftists are the ones that squeak about this relatively new term more than any others?

According to one PBS article:

"Straight White American Jesus": Christian nationalism is an ideology that is based around the idea that this is a Christian nation, that this was founded as a Christian nation, and, therefore, it should be a Christian nation today and should be so in the future.

According to survey data, Christian nationalists agree with statements like the federal government should declare the United States of America a Christian nation. Our laws should be based on Christian values. being a Christian is important if you want to be a real American.
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the New Apostolic Reformation is notable for a number of reasons.

One, it's built around the idea that Christians are called to a new transformation or reformation of the United States. These are Christians who want to revolutionize the way that our country looks, and to make it great again in terms of being a Christian nation."

What is Christian nationalism and why it raises concerns about threats to democracy

White Christian nationalism has been in the headlines quite a lot as of late. Brad Onishi is a former evangelical minister who once identified as a Christian nationalist himself. He left the church in 2005 and began studying religion and extremism. Laura Barrón-López spoke with Onishi to better...

www.pbs.org

Our reality is that every country on the face of this earth is built around SOMEONE'S values. What the left (and MANY on the right) fail to acknowledge is that values are not the same as form of government. Our form of government is, according to the Constitution of the United States, A Republican Form of Government (Article IV Section 4). Our values (the moral tone of our laws and the structure of the laws) are predicated upon moral absolutes found in the Bible.
The antithesis of our Republican Form of Government is a democracy. That is why, when I hear some half wit like Marjorie Taylor Greene refer to America as a democracy, I realize why we are in this debate. And no, we are not a Democratic Republic. Such is not mentioned in the Declaration of Independence nor the Constitution. Furthermore we tried a Democratic Republican Party and it lasted from 1792 to 1834 before imploding. So, IF we have a Democratic Republic it is in violation of the Constitution. It doesn't work.

The bastardized version everyone is settling for isn't what the founders intended and so Christian Nationalist means something different to a lot of people. But, the left sees it as THE enemy of the people. Hatred of Christians is the democratic way.

 

[hmt5000]

The feds have been working on this since they murdered the Branch Davidians. The feds hate Christians and they hate people that believe in the constitution and that our rights come from god and not the fed. So if you believe in liberty and natural rights and that God exists and America is a great country.... You are a Christian nationalist and need to be put on a terrorist watch list.

The fbi put out a couple papers during the initial invasion of Afghanistan that said the biggest problem the US faced was Christian soldiers returning from war. They were swept under the rug due to outrage but the people who put it out kept their job and kept hiring their friends.... Now there is no outrage.

 

[weaponoffreedom]

radicals radicalize.....it is what they do.

 

[CDDP]

 

[Golbez]

Because they are pushing Mr Stalin's agenda.

 

[Kingoffrogs]

Nationalism and Christianity have nothing to do with eachother.

Nationalism is the idea that a specific ethnicity or group of ethnicities should exist in a particular nation, IE "Germany is not for Jews, Poles, or Romanis, it is for German people only!"

Christian Tribalism would be a more accurate description...

 

[Teeaichsee]

I just want to go fishing without a license.

 

[TheResister]

Nationalism and Christianity have nothing to do with eachother.

Nationalism is the idea that a specific ethnicity or group of ethnicities should exist in a particular nation, IE "Germany is not for Jews, Poles, or Romanis, it is for German people only!"

Christian Tribalism would be a more accurate description...

Sounds like you are in favor of the ONE WORLD / ONE RACE / ONE RELIGION warned against in the Bible.

 

[Rebarcock.]

I just want to go fishing without a license.

I'll say this. If you have to hunt or fish just to eat something that should be OK. But DNR is mostly legit. In SC they do a great job w our resources. But there should be a carve out if there isn't.

 

[kingsolomonwisdom]

And why is it that radical leftists are the ones that squeak about this relatively new term more than any others?

I'm guessing this is a creating term by the Edomites (jews) to attack the Israelites (Caucasians) that are believers in Yahshua.

I mean the closest thing to Christian Nationalism would be the Amish that are basically all believers in Christ and all German.

 

[weaponoffreedom]

I'll say this. If you have to hunt or fish just to eat something that should be OK. But DNR is mostly legit. In SC they do a great job w our resources. But there should be a carve out if there isn't.

great..........you need to fix your shit roads

 

[Rebarcock.]

great..........you need to fix your shit roads

Yeah true

 

[AC2021]

I'm guessing this is a creating term by the Edomites (jews) to attack the Israelites (Caucasians) that are believers in Yahshua.

I mean the closest thing to Christian Nationalism would be the Amish that are basically all believers in Christ and all German.

 

[RollyInRaleigh]

A made up name to attack people that the left hates…

 

[Sivat]

The feds have been working on this since they murdered the Branch Davidians. The feds hate Christians and they hate people that believe in the constitution and that our rights come from god and not the fed. So if you believe in liberty and natural rights and that God exists and America is a great country.... You are a Christian nationalist and need to be put on a terrorist watch list.

Was David Koresh (Vernon Howell) a christian nationalist?

 

[TheResister]

Was David Koresh (Vernon Howell) a christian nationalist?

I know you directed that to another poster, but the honest answer is best answered with a question:

Do you think Seventh Day Adventists are nationalists? At his core, Koresh was SDA although he decided that God somehow chose him as a prophet. From a purely practical point, Koresh wanted to withdraw from society and didn't seem to have any thoughts toward nationalism per se. I'll defer to the other poster and read his answer.

 

[Sivat]

I just want to go fishing without a license.

What is stopping you from doing so?

A driver license and vehicle registration license are required by law to operate a motor vehicle on public roads.
I've been driving for decades, yet don't have a driver license and don't register vehicles.
The handful of times law enforcement got on my ass was because I'd been a little over the speed limit. Other than that they don't bother me.
The trick is to minimize drawing attention and not doing stupid shit, for example: speeding.
Same applies to other things imposed upon by laws.

 

[Sivat]

I know you directed that to another poster, but the honest answer is best answered with a question:

Do you think Seventh Day Adventists are nationalists? At his core, Koresh was SDA although he decided that God somehow chose him as a prophet. From a purely practical point, Koresh wanted to withdraw from society and didn't seem to have any thoughts toward nationalism per se. I'll defer to the other poster and read his answer.

Ok. Your opinion is that Vernon Howell was not a nationalist correct?

SDA or otherwise, would you consider Vernon as a christian?

 

[TheResister]

Ok. Your opinion is that Vernon Howell was not a nationalist correct?

SDA or otherwise, would you consider Vernon as a christian?

I cannot take a position either way; I can only speak to what denomination influenced him. Only God and David Koresh know the answer to that question. I didn't mean to get into a debate about a man I never knew; just putting it out there what denomination he subscribed to.

 

[Sivat]

I cannot take a position either way; I can only speak to what denomination influenced him. Only God and David Koresh know the answer to that question. I didn't mean to get into a debate about a man I never knew; just putting it out there what denomination he subscribed to.

What about SDA & BD in your opinion?
Are these cults considered to be christian?

 

[TheResister]

What about SDA & BD in your opinion?
Are these cults considered to be christian?

I've never looked into it. I concede that David Koresh was the leader of a cult. I know his Rights were violated. I know just enough about him to know I wouldn't join 'em.

 

[Sivat]

I've never looked into it. I concede that David Koresh was the leader of a cult. I know his Rights were violated. I know just enough about him to know I wouldn't join 'em.

Sure.

Hmt5000 thinks the BDs were christian, "The feds have been working on this since they murdered the Branch Davidians. The feds hate Christians..".

Your first response to me, "Do you think Seventh Day Adventists are nationalists?" would seem to imply already regarding SDA as christian. Or is this not the case?

 

[Sivat]

I've never looked into it. I concede that David Koresh was the leader of a cult. I know his Rights were violated. I know just enough about him to know I wouldn't join 'em.

According to Google's AI, "Yes, Seventh-day Adventists are a Christian denomination. They share many of the same beliefs as other Christian churches, but also have some unique beliefs. For example, Seventh-day Adventists believe in a literal six-day creation, salvation by grace through faith, and that Jesus Christ will soon return. They also believe in the Trinity, the infallibility of Scripture, and the authority of the Bible."

And, "Yes, the Branch Davidians are a Christian sect. They are a branch off of the Seventh-Day Adventists, which is a Christian religious group. The Branch Davidians were established in 1929 by Victor Houteff, a Bulgarian immigrant who left the Bulgarian Orthodox Church to accept Seventh-day Adventist teaching. The Branch Davidians believe in the imminent return of Jesus Christ."

 

[TheResister]

According to Google's AI, "Yes, Seventh-day Adventists are a Christian denomination. They share many of the same beliefs as other Christian churches, but also have some unique beliefs. For example, Seventh-day Adventists believe in a literal six-day creation, salvation by grace through faith, and that Jesus Christ will soon return. They also believe in the Trinity, the infallibility of Scripture, and the authority of the Bible."

And, "Yes, the Branch Davidians are a Christian sect. They are a branch off of the Seventh-Day Adventists, which is a Christian religious group. The Branch Davidians were established in 1929 by Victor Houteff, a Bulgarian immigrant who left the Bulgarian Orthodox Church to accept Seventh-day Adventist teaching. The Branch Davidians believe in the imminent return of Jesus Christ."

I don't believe in a literal six day creation as the Bible does not really say that. The word "day" as used in Genesis comes from the word "yome" and all it means is equal periods of time. Most of what you're quoting would make Seventh Day Adventists
Christian, but that doesn't tell us how they feel about nationalism.

 

[TheResister]

Sure.

Hmt5000 thinks the BDs were christian, "The feds have been working on this since they murdered the Branch Davidians. The feds hate Christians..".

Your first response to me, "Do you think Seventh Day Adventists are nationalists?" would seem to imply already regarding SDA as christian. Or is this not the case?

I'm not reading anything into a subject when I ask a question. Do you think Seventh Day Adventists are nationalists? You might know more about them than I do. I don't know how they identify themselves. I only know that David Koresh subscribed to most of their ideology.

The people in Waco got screwed and from that perspective, I cannot support what Uncle Scam did. Outside of that I won't pretend to know much about him since I never met him and what the media says is mostly B.S. that is skewed to fit their narratives.

 

[Sivat]

In 1984, Koresh married 14-year- old Branch Davidian named Rachel Jones, with whom he would have two children: Cyrus and Starr.

Vernon Howell dob 17 August 1959.

Rachel dob 9 May 1969.

Cyrus dob 20 March 1985, placing conception roughly mid 1984 shortly after Rachel's 15th while Vernon would have been 25 or 26.

 

[Teeaichsee]

Its a made up term to try to make christian's seem sinister and evil somehow. that simple, nothing complicated here.

 

[TheResister]

Its a made up term to try to make christian's seem sinister and evil somehow. that simple, nothing complicated here.

That may have been the left's intention, but I have a different perception.

When a person says they are a Christian nationalist, in my mind I am expecting that person to be a Christian first and a patriot second. The Christian nationalist is committed to living in a country founded on Christian principles; that is to say someone who understands the difference between the values of their nation and their form of government.

Our form of government would be a constitutional Republic not a "democracy" and the Christian nationalist would fully understand the difference. Given the fact that America became the greatest nation in the annals of history based on that presupposition, the left may be trying to make the term a negative one, but I don't see it that way.

There are people who do not understand the term, but flirt with that part of America that sees itself that way. For example, the real reason for the resistance to open immigration is really the issue of cultural integrity and identity. The left has confused the current generation so that the current generation accepts left wing dogma and tries to characterize cultural integrity and identity with racism. Racism has become the biggest boogey man word in the English lexicon. People aren't really trying to convince anyone (except maybe themselves) that they oppose immigration just because someone didn't apply to a corrupt government and get their human registration papers. No. At their core, people oppose immigration for fear that the third world will take over and make the United States an enclave of Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, etc.

There is nothing negative about Christian Nationalism. Well... if you are a left wing, atheist, communist, liberal traitor you might disagree.