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*** Top Gun 2 “Maverick” *** thread

Teddy Jack

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The House Armed Services Committee has “enormous concern” about the F-35 fighter’s sustainment, and suggested Congress may cut back on purchases of the jet to let the sustainment enterprise catch up, Readiness subcommittee chair Rep. John Garamendi (R-Calif.) said March 19.

Garamendi, near the end of a hearing on the military’s organic maintenance capability, said the “huge problem” with the F-35 is, “we buy more planes [but] we’re not able to maintain the older ones, so the more we buy, the worse the overall performance has been. That is going to stop.” He did not elaborate about whether he intends to try to restrain F-35 purchases in the upcoming fiscal 2022 budget.

“The entire F-35 system is of enormous concern to the committee,” Garamendi said, noting that HASC chair Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.) “weighed in on this in a very big and important way, this last week.” Smith complained about assorted issues with the F-35, calling it a “rathole,” but allowing that it may not be an expendable program.

The panel chairman also told service sustainment chiefs, including Air Force Sustainment Center Commander Lt. Gen. Donald E. “Gene” Kirkland, that “there is a very deep concern in the committee about the F-35 overall,” especially the possibility that key parts of the jet are manufactured in China, and therefore may in some way be compromised. This sentiment was also voiced by congresswoman Jackie Speier (D-Calif.), who asked panelists if they knew of any F-35 parts made in China. The service witnesses promised to get back to her, but Navy Vice Adm. Dean Peters, commander of Naval Air Systems Command, offered that there likely are.

“We track the main components very closely, and I don’t know of any main components that come from China,” Peters said. However, “as you go down the supply chain, at the third or fourth tier, it’s very likely that there are some electronic parts that come from China.”

Garamendi responded that “we don’t have an answer” about how to fix the problem. The issue of Chinese content in the F-35—both parts and software—was one of great colloquy in a strategic arms hearing earlier in the week.

In his opening remarks, Garamendi voiced his concern that the services aren’t properly resourced to keep sustaining older systems, even as preparations are made for new ones. He’s worried about “overly-optimistic timelines” for introducing new platforms, and not having infrastructure in place to keep old ones going until the new ones arrive. At the same time, he said he’s frustrated that the services “pay a premium for old technology that is less capable, not fuel-efficient, dependent on a limited network of suppliers, and reliant on obsolete manufacturing processes.”

He urged the witnesses to move out smartly in adopting new sustainment technologies, such as 3-D printing, the use of “big data” and predictive maintenance. He also urged them to attract a new cohort of workers for the depots.

“We must ensure we can hire and train the next generation in a timely fashion,” he said. Kirkland replied that the Air Force has numerous intern, STEM, and scholarship programs with schools in the areas around its major depots to attract new line workers. The average age of employees in Air Logistics Centers is 44.5 years, he noted.

Garamendi also said that he’d observed a lot of “blue tarps, inside” depot buildings, presumably there to block rain. He told the witnesses he wants to know what kind of repairs and investments are needed to get the logistics infrastructure up to par, even if those requirements don’t make it into the President’s Budget. “There are ways … to convey” that information, he told the witnesses. “I want the facilities modernized. I’m here to fight for you.”

Addressing himself to Kirkland, Garamendi said, “The Air Force is going to have a large number of new platforms, extremely sophisticated platforms,” in the coming years, some of which are “still classified.” The committee needs to know, he said, “What are your maintenance demands for those new platforms,” so Congress can help prepare the service to care for them? He wants the Air Force to provide an integrated maintenance plan within the next three or four months.

“We don’t want to have another F-35 fiasco,” Garamendi asserted.
The program set lofty goals. Lots of issues with programs and new technology. It’s not a program I would want to be a program manager of, that’s for sure. Cost overruns, long time materials, supply chain issues, design problems, etc. but we have to keep pressing forward. For this program we’re way too far along to give up.

the Chinese parts is an interesting thing, the contract should have clauses in place that flow to subs about not buying from certain countries, especially China. But I’m sure there are a half a billion different subs so I bet it gets difficult to manage.
 

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Not to mention, I don’t think many folks realize the whole acquisition process of a major weapons system/program like this.

going from the material solution analysis, technical maturation and risk reduction, engineering and manufacturing development phases, production and deployment which is the operation test and evaluation phase (includes low rate initial production and full rate production) and then lastly the operations and support (sustainment phase).

All these phases consist of major program milestones. And each stage contains several complex contracts ranging from CPIF, CPFF, COST, FPI types. It’s difficult stuff and then dealing with contractors and subs and timelines. It’s a miracle programs even make it half the time.
 

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What adult goes to a movie theater multiple times to see a movie?

You.

Seek help.

Somebody is jealous of @RJ2kWJ gigantic cock and all the wet chicks at the iMax. It’s just too bad tj is a fat poor ugly piece of white trash that can’t afford a ticket in and even if he could they wouldn’t let that cows ass of a wife to come in
 

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It was so tough to keep my mouth shut because I’m pretty sure the entire internet knows I’m a loud mouth. But there’s a scene when the wife to my right, looking and talking to her husband goes “are you fucking kidding me, no way.” Before it happens. Still kept my mouth shut.
 

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Loved the movie. Must watch in the theater when you get a chance!!

Couple things about the F-14 I wanted to throw my two cents in. It was an Interceptor and it’s bread and butter was BVR or Beyond Visual Range because of the radar and Phoenix missile. This is where it wins but that missile with its range was always intended for Soviet Bombers not fighters.

To paint a picture, when the crew gets Radar returns on an aircraft the symbology of the Contact will display on the screen depending on what range it’s set to. To fire the Phoenix the RIO locks up targets in priority 1-4 in TWS or track while Scan mode. This mode is the only radar method to engage multiple targets simultaneously.

Let’s say the fired 4 Phoenix missiles on 4 TU-22 bombers inbound to attack the carrier. The Phoenix missiles would fly a flight profile that maximizes its energy. To do this they climb into less dense air to reduce drag while at the same time have altitude to trade for airspeed when on final phase of the attack. Kinda like a upward to downward curve.

The F-14s radar is steering the missile for about 80-90% of its flight time. At terminal or final phase the missile will go what is called “Pitbull” and will take over its own radar lock on target.

So Pros and Cons to this.

Pros
1. Ability to engage multiple targets at distance.
2. TWS mode uses host Aircraft radar for guidance until Pitbull which also means that the enemy aircraft will not get a launch warning only lock warning until the missile takes over its own lock. That’s when enemy pilots RWR or Radar Warning Receiver would go ballistic.
3. TWS also allows better breakup of number of aircraft threats you have if flying in tight formation.

Cons
1. Because of how TWS mode functions, it it much easier to lose Radar return on targets if their aspect changes. (Altitude, Heading). Once you lose lock and you fired the Phoenix, it will automatically go Pitbull and start heading to the Bandit early which means it’s bleeding energy early and may not have enough power to manuever against a defending aircraft.

2. Because of number 1, this is why the Phoenix was intended for larger slower targets like bombers. Doesn’t mean it can’t hit a fighter, but a pilot in a Mig-29 or SU-27 can out manuever if they are smart with their energy management.

The other radar guided missile the F-14 as well as other aircraft carried was the Sparrow or Aim-7. It didn’t have the range of a Phoenix and it required you to be in RWS or Range While Scan mode. This meant only one bandit at a time. Because of this, it required good weaponeering by its pilot to maximize the Pki or Probability of Kill. Keeping a higher Airspeed, aspect on bandit and distance were all crucial for pilot to decide when to fire.

If you are head to head at say 30nm and bandit launches on you as well, you’re gonna have to go defensive which means you lose radar lock and just wasted your Sparrow.

Sparrow Aim-7 and AMRAAM Aim-120 are similar in this except the AMRAAM can use it’s own seeker at “PITBULL “ so it can function in any radar mode.
 
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RJ2kWJ

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Loved the movie. Must watch in the theater when you get a chance!!

Couple things about the F-14 I wanted to throw my two cents in. It was an Interceptor and it’s bread and butter was BVR or Beyond Visual Range because of the radar and Phoenix missile. This is where it wins but that missile with its range was always intended for Soviet Bombers not fighters.

To paint a picture, when the crew gets Radar returns on an aircraft the symbology of the Contact will display on the screen depending on what range it’s set to. To fire the Phoenix the RIO locks up targets in priority 1-4 in TWS or track while Scan mode. This mode is the only radar method to engage multiple targets simultaneously.

Let’s say the fired 4 Phoenix missiles on 4 TU-22 bombers inbound to attack the carrier. The Phoenix missiles would fly a flight profile that maximizes its energy. To do this they climb into less dense air to reduce drag while at the same time have altitude to trade for airspeed when on final phase of the attack. Kinda like a upward to downward curve.

The F-14s radar is steering the missile for about 80-90% of its flight time. At terminal or final phase the missile will go what is called “Pitbull” and will take over its own radar lock on target.

So Pros and Cons to this.

Pros
1. Ability to engage multiple targets at distance.
2. TWS mode uses host Aircraft radar for guidance until Pitbull which also means that the enemy aircraft will not get a launch warning only lock warning until the missile takes over its own lock. That’s when enemy pilots RWR or Radar Warning Receiver would go ballistic.
3. TWS also allows better breakup of number of aircraft threats you have if flying in tight formation.

Cons
1. Because of how TWS mode functions, it it much easier to lose Radar return on targets if their aspect changes. (Altitude, Heading). Once you lose lock and you fired the Phoenix, it will automatically go Pitbull and start heading to the Bandit early which means it’s bleeding energy early and may not have enough power to manuever against a defending aircraft.

2. Because of number 1, this is why the Phoenix was intended for larger slower targets like bombers. Doesn’t mean it can’t hit a fighter, but a pilot in a Mig-29 or SU-27 can out manuever if they are smart with their energy management.

The other radar guided missile the F-14 as well as other aircraft carried was the Sparrow or Aim-7. It didn’t have the range of a Phoenix and it required you to be in RWS or Range While Scan mode. This meant only one bandit at a time. Because of this, it required good weaponeering by its pilot to maximize the Pki or Probability of Kill. Keeping a higher Airspeed, aspect on bandit and distance were all crucial for pilot to decide when to fire.

If you are head to head at say 30nm and bandit launches on you as well, you’re gonna have to go defensive which means you lose radar lock and just wasted your Sparrow.

Sparrow Aim-7 and AMRAAM Aim-120 are similar in this except the AMRAAM can use it’s own seeker at “PITBULL “ so it can function in any radar mode.
Appreciate the input! The more the merrier. ❤️🤍💙🇺🇸
 

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Watched yesterday. Give is a solid B+

Replicating some scenes from the original was campy IMO.

As cited above, the last 20-30 minutes were the best.

We finally get to see the mysterious Penny Benjamin and she didn't disappoint. Jennifer Connelly is my #1 and she's aged like fine wine.
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Watched yesterday. Give is a solid B+

Replicating some scenes from the original was campy IMO.

As cited above, the last 20-30 minutes were the best.

We finally get to see the mysterious Penny Benjamin and she didn't disappoint. Jennifer Connelly is my #1 and she's aged like fine wine.
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I was wondering how good Jennifer was looking in the movie! 👀
 

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Watched yesterday. Give is a solid B+

Replicating some scenes from the original was campy IMO.

As cited above, the last 20-30 minutes were the best.

We finally get to see the mysterious Penny Benjamin and she didn't disappoint. Jennifer Connelly is my #1 and she's aged like fine wine.
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Why didn't they just have him as the team leader from the start while teaching them? That just seemed absolutely retarded to me.

"Oh hey, now that the movie is almost over we're gonna make you team leader. It really made no sense to us to have our best pilot on this mission, but now at the last second we're gonna do it."

Dumb.

Otherwise pretty decent. Loved how they had to make sure they got some women pilots as main characters 🙄 and fit in another gay it up beach scene. Least it wasn't volleyball this time.
ETA: maybe I spoke too soon, posted that with 20 mins left and this ending is setting up to be absurd.
 
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OK, on reflection, I will admit the F-14s being there for the taking was ludicrous. They just happened to be fueled up and

Also, how long did it take for them to walk to get together? They were scattered far it seems like. Also, how long to get back to the enemy base? I have a little problem with that timeline.
 
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