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The rise in the supply of Treasuries that needs to be absorbed by the market is likely to loom large for a while. The federal government budget deficit has risen sharply this year and is projected to continue to rise, based on estimates provided by the Congressional Budget Office. At the same time, the Federal Reserve is stepping back from accumulating bonds on its balance sheet, removing a significant buyer of bonds from the market.

These concerns may limit how low yields can go as long as the economy is growing. However, in the long run, the correlation between deficits and interest rates is not a strong one. Inflation is a far greater driver of yields. Currently, the impact on inflation is likely to be limited because much of the rise in the deficit is due to higher interest costs, which don't tend to feed into inflation because they don't flow through to consumers or businesses.

On the demand side, concerns about foreign investors reducing their exposure to Treasuries appears overblown. Some countries, such as China, appear to be selling their Treasury holdings to support declining currencies. When a country's currency falls sharply, its central bank raises money through sales of their holdings to buy their own currencies. China's currency has fallen to nearly a seven-year low versus the dollar, which likely accounts for the selling. However, overall holdings of U.S. Treasuries by foreign investors remain near the record highs reached last year.

With U.S. interest rates still higher than those in most other major countries and the dollar's use in global transactions rising, foreign demand is likely to remain strong.


Over the long run the declining trend in inflation and softness in economic growth should allow yields to fall from current levels later this year and into 2024. It's likely to be a bumpy ride, given the cross currents in the market. It's very difficult to time the interest rate market. Waiting in short duration bonds until the Fed is done hiking rates increases reinvestment risk. Yields are at the highest levels in a decade and we don't expect them to stay that high for long.

Moreover, we believe that the Fed is done hiking rates in this cycle. In the past four cycles, 10-year Treasury yields peaked before the last rate hike and then tended to trend lower. It's unusual for long-term yields to peak after the last Fed rate hike. It hasn't happened since the 1970s and early 1980s. While we can't rule out a further rise in yields in the near term, we continue to see opportunities for investors to capture attractive nominal and real yields in their portfolios at current levels.

 

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Define soon. Feds have said they will keep raising rates until inflation is at 2%.
No they said they would be sufficiently restrictive until inflation was under 2%.

They could have stopped raising rates 100 bps ago and achieved that just over a longer time. Where we are at now is likely way too far past what was needed. The banks breaking earlier this year was pretty clear sign of restrictive policy by historical standards.

More to the point they just have to maintain where they are for a length of time now. As they keep saying “higher for longer”. This also implies that their ideal rate is somewhere below where we are at.

The dot plots show most federal banks aren’t expecting cuts until November of next year (if at all).

Most importantly inflation in coming down nicely. They have no reason to keep going since we’ll be @ a 3 handle next year and a 2 handle by 25. They don’t want to be the villains any more than they already are by causing a deep recession.
 
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Define soon. Feds have said they will keep raising rates until inflation is at 2%.
Next day?

 
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Another good inflation print!



"Although consumer prices rose faster than expected from a month ago, core inflation continues to lose speed and this report will not likely change the Fed's view that inflation will slow in the coming months as demand slows," said Jeffrey Roach, chief economist at LPL Financial. "Eventually, spending will moderate after several months of consumers spending more than they earn."
 

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Another good inflation print!



"Although consumer prices rose faster than expected from a month ago, core inflation continues to lose speed and this report will not likely change the Fed's view that inflation will slow in the coming months as demand slows," said Jeffrey Roach, chief economist at LPL Financial. "Eventually, spending will moderate after several months of consumers spending more than they earn."
From the people who said it was "Transitory"
 
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@Jake Broe Stan next week: all that means is that rates will remain flat next year.

@Jake Broe Stan in three weeks: oh shit, @rebar was right

@Jake Broe Stan in four weeks: welches on bet
Time to pay up @rebar

 
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Joe Biden’s America

Joe Biden doesn’t control McDonald’s prices.

Inflation is a result of capitalism. If you don’t like capitalism just say that instead of nonsensically blaming a politician for the price a private business charges for their products.

McDonald’s is subpar anyways. BK has the 2 for 5$ duo right now which is the current move.
 

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Joe Biden doesn’t control McDonald’s prices.

Inflation is a result of capitalism. If you don’t like capitalism just say that instead of nonsensically blaming a politician for the price a private business charges for their products.

McDonald’s is subpar anyways. BK has the 2 for 5$ duo right now which is the current move.
“Inflation is transitory” 🙃
 
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Don't laugh @Jake Broe Stan 'this is from one of your media outlets.
I wish I owned that media outlet but sadly not.

More to the point though it’s one man’s opinion & it’s not even a good one. Maybe if he were better at his job he wouldn’t be the former vice chair?

The latest jobs report flies in the face of his logic as well. The Fed has a dual mandate, not just a singular one to fight inflation.
 
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From the horse's own mouth:

If you listen to every press conference like I do you would know he said this followed by “we aren’t confident we haven’t gotten there”.

Plus he described current policy as “sufficiently restrictive”.
 
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US inflation fell to 3.2 per cent in October, lower than economists had expected and the first decline for four months. Consumer prices rose 3.2 per cent year on year in October, down from an annual rate of 3.7 per cent in September. The annual rise was slightly less than economists had forecast, and prices were flat month on month.



Core inflation — which strips out volatile food and energy prices — was also slightly weaker than economists had predicted, dipping from 4.1 per cent to 4.0 per cent on a year on year basis. Core inflation rose by 0.2 per cent month on month.

 

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