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Goldhedge

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Genetic studies on Jews are part of the population genetics discipline and are used to analyze the chronology of Jewish migration accompanied by research in other fields, such as history, linguistics, archaeology, and paleontology. These studies investigate the origins of various Jewish ethnic divisions. In particular, they examine whether there is a common genetic heritage among them. The medical genetics of Jews are studied for population-specific diseases.

Studies on Jewish populations have been principally conducted using three types of genealogical DNA tests: autosomal (atDNA), mitochondrial (mtDNA), and Y-chromosome (Y-DNA). atDNA tests, which look at the entire DNA mixture, show that Jewish populations have tended to form genetic isolates – relatively closely related groups in independent communities with most in a community sharing significant ancestry – with Ashkenazi Jews forming the largest such group.[1] mtDNA and Y-DNA tests look at maternal and paternal ancestry respectively, via two small groups of genes transmitted only via female or male ancestors.[2]

 

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Genetic studies on Jews are part of the population genetics discipline and are used to analyze the chronology of Jewish migration accompanied by research in other fields, such as history, linguistics, archaeology, and paleontology. These studies investigate the origins of various Jewish ethnic divisions. In particular, they examine whether there is a common genetic heritage among them. The medical genetics of Jews are studied for population-specific diseases.

Studies on Jewish populations have been principally conducted using three types of genealogical DNA tests: autosomal (atDNA), mitochondrial (mtDNA), and Y-chromosome (Y-DNA). atDNA tests, which look at the entire DNA mixture, show that Jewish populations have tended to form genetic isolates – relatively closely related groups in independent communities with most in a community sharing significant ancestry – with Ashkenazi Jews forming the largest such group.[1] mtDNA and Y-DNA tests look at maternal and paternal ancestry respectively, via two small groups of genes transmitted only via female or male ancestors.[2]

What am I looking for here ? I have read quite a bit on the whole Ashkenazi Jew theories thanks to another thread lol.

Interesting stuff.
 

CuriousFiend

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Bro save me the trouble . Are they Arabs or what are they ?
Off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure the AshkeNazi "jews", eg: approximately 95% of modern "jewry", are primarily genetic descendants of Khazarian Edomites.

Basically an ancient aggregation of various nomadic tribes that at one point had established a terrorist state that existed roughly where modern Ukraine is now.

They were essentially a predatory nation of criminals who were eventually given an ultimatum to either convert to a religion or the neighboring countries will erase their parasitic nation entirely.

So they apparently chose "Judaism"—specifically the occultic aberrations cunningly hidden within the collection of perverse scrolls comprising the Babylonian Talmud-(*It's definitely not a single book as generaly asserted.)

TLDR: The modern "jew" are not descendants of the Biblical Israelites and they are certainly not Shemites.

Most are a mix of Slavic, Turkic, Scythian, Hunnic–Bulgar, Persian, Alans.
Genetically, the current Palestinian Arabs are most likely the closest living descendants of the original Israelite tribes remaining members who didn't fuck off to other geographic locations with the main tribes.

 

Goldhedge

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Off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure the AshkeNazi "jews", eg: approximately 95% of modern "jewry", are primarily genetic descendants of Khazarian Edomites.
search Ashkenazi and there's 249 entries - looks to be spread all over the place

SNIP:
As David Goldstein noted: "Our studies of the Cohanim established that present day Ashkenazi and Sephardi Cohanim are more genetically similar to one another than they are to either Israelites or non-Jews."[4]

A study of Ashkenazi mtDNA in 2013 meanwhile revealed four matrilineal founders, all of which had ancestry in prehistoric Europe, rather than the Near East or Caucasus.[4] Falk notes that, "not surprisingly, Ashkenazi Jews prove to compose a distinct yet quite integral branch of European genomic tapestry."[4]

Several genetic studies demonstrated that approximately half of the genetic lineage of Ashkenazi Jews may be traced to the ancient Middle East and the other half to Europe, proving proximity to both ancient and present Middle Eastern and European groups. The majority of the European half comes mainly from southern European populations. Several studies estimate that between 50% to 80% of Ashkenazic Y-chromosomal (paternal) lineages originate in the Near East, with some estimating that at least 80% of their maternal lineages originated in Europe.[21][22] Most researchers now believe that the early Jewish communities of southern Europe, which are the forebears of Ashkenazi Jews, are descended from both the ancient Israelites and from European converts to Judaism.[23]


In a study of Israeli Jews from four different groups (Ashkenazi Jews, Kurdish Jews, North African Sephardi Jews, and Iraqi Jews) and Palestinian Muslim Arabs, more than 70% of the Jewish men and 82% of the Arab men whose DNA was studied had inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors, who lived in the region within the last few thousand years. "Our recent study of high-resolution microsatellite haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool."[32] All Jewish groups were found to be genetically closer to each other than to Palestinians and Muslim Kurds. Kurdish, North African Sephardi, and Iraqi Jews were found to be genetically indistinguishable while slightly but significantly differing from Ashkenazi Jews. In relation to the region of the Fertile Crescent, the same study noted; "In comparison with data available from other relevant populations in the region, Jews were found to be more closely related to groups in the north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turks, and Armenians) than to their Arab neighbors", which the authors suggested was due to migration and admixture from the Arabian Peninsula into certain current Arabic-speaking populations during the period of Islamic expansion.[30]

In 1992 G. Lucotte and F. David were the first genetic researchers to have documented a common paternal genetic heritage between Sephardi and Ashkenazi Jews.[26][27] Another study published just a year later suggested the Middle Eastern origin of Jewish paternal lineages.[28]

Investigations by Nebel et al.[30] on the Y-haplotypes (paternal lineages) of Ashkenazi Jews, Kurdish and Sephardi (North Africa, Turkey, Iberian Peninsula, Iraq and Syria) indicate that Jews are more genetically similar to groups in the northern Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turks and Armenians) than their Arab neighbors, and suggest that some of this difference might be due to migration and admixture from the Arabian peninsula during the last two millennia (into certain current Arabic-speaking populations).
 
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hmt5000

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Bro save me the trouble . Are they Arabs or what are they ?
Jews and Palestinians are mostly the same people. When the Arabs conquered Jerusalem they imposed a huge tax on non muslims. Many Jews converted to islam to avoid the tax. It's not that Muslims moved into the area. The Jews there that were cheaper than the other Jews just converted religions to save money.
 

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search Ashkenazi and there's 249 entries - looks to be spread all over the place

SNIP:
As David Goldstein noted: "Our studies of the Cohanim established that present day Ashkenazi and Sephardi Cohanim are more genetically similar to one another than they are to either Israelites or non-Jews."[4]
Who is David Goldstein ?

What is his background?

"Our studies" ?

Who or what does "Our" refer ?

Background information ?

What are these studies ?

How were these studies financed ?

A study of Ashkenazi mtDNA in 2013 meanwhile revealed four matrilineal founders, all of which had ancestry in prehistoric Europe, rather than the Near East or Caucasus.[4] Falk notes that, "not surprisingly, Ashkenazi Jews prove to compose a distinct yet quite integral branch of European genomic tapestry."[4]
"A study" ?

Titled ? and by who ?

Who is Falk ?

Background information ?

Financial sources ?

Several genetic studies demonstrated that approximately half of the genetic lineage of Ashkenazi Jews may be traced to the ancient Middle East and the other half to Europe, proving proximity to both ancient and present Middle Eastern and European groups. The majority of the European half comes mainly from southern European populations. Several studies estimate that between 50% to 80% of Ashkenazic Y-chromosomal (paternal) lineages originate in the Near East, with some estimating that at least 80% of their maternal lineages originated in Europe.[21][22] Most researchers now believe that the early Jewish communities of southern Europe, which are the forebears of Ashkenazi Jews, are descended from both the ancient Israelites and from European converts to Judaism.[23]
"Several genetic studies" ?

Titled ? and by who ?

Background information ?

Financial sources ?

"Most researchers now believe" ?

That is a strong argument they have presented. Impossible to mock.

Substitute - researchers - for paid actors.

Paid actors now believe anything they are paid to say.

In a study of Israeli Jews from four different groups (Ashkenazi Jews, Kurdish Jews, North African Sephardi Jews, and Iraqi Jews) and Palestinian Muslim Arabs, more than 70% of the Jewish men and 82% of the Arab men whose DNA was studied had inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors, who lived in the region within the last few thousand years. "Our recent study of high-resolution microsatellite haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool."[32] All Jewish groups were found to be genetically closer to each other than to Palestinians and Muslim Kurds. Kurdish, North African Sephardi, and Iraqi Jews were found to be genetically indistinguishable while slightly but significantly differing from Ashkenazi Jews. In relation to the region of the Fertile Crescent, the same study noted; "In comparison with data available from other relevant populations in the region, Jews were found to be more closely related to groups in the north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turks, and Armenians) than to their Arab neighbors", which the authors suggested was due to migration and admixture from the Arabian Peninsula into certain current Arabic-speaking populations during the period of Islamic expansion.[30]
"In a study" ?

"Our recent study" ?

"the same study noted" ?

Not more of this laziness again.

Who, What, When, Why, Where, How ?

Background information ?

Financial sources ?

In 1992 G. Lucotte and F. David were the first genetic researchers to have documented a common paternal genetic heritage between Sephardi and Ashkenazi Jews.[26][27] Another study published just a year later suggested the Middle Eastern origin of Jewish paternal lineages.[28]
G. Lucotte ?

F. David ?

"first" "to have documented" ?

"Another study published just a year later" ?

Again, backgrounds, finances and w5/h ?

Investigations by Nebel et al.[30] on the Y-haplotypes (paternal lineages) of Ashkenazi Jews, Kurdish and Sephardi (North Africa, Turkey, Iberian Peninsula, Iraq and Syria) indicate that Jews are more genetically similar to groups in the northern Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turks and Armenians) than their Arab neighbors, and suggest that some of this difference might be due to migration and admixture from the Arabian peninsula during the last two millennia (into certain current Arabic-speaking populations).
Who is Nebal ?

Who are the others ?

What were their "Investigations" ?

Backgrounds, finances and w5/h ?


 

Vercingetorix

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Who is David Goldstein ?

What is his background?

"Our studies" ?

Who or what does "Our" refer ?

Background information ?

What are these studies ?

How were these studies financed ?


"A study" ?

Titled ? and by who ?

Who is Falk ?

Background information ?

Financial sources ?


"Several genetic studies" ?

Titled ? and by who ?

Background information ?

Financial sources ?

"Most researchers now believe" ?

That is a strong argument they have presented. Impossible to mock.

Substitute - researchers - for paid actors.

Paid actors now believe anything they are paid to say.


"In a study" ?

"Our recent study" ?

"the same study noted" ?

Not more of this laziness again.

Who, What, When, Why, Where, How ?

Background information ?

Financial sources ?


G. Lucotte ?

F. David ?

"first" "to have documented" ?

"Another study published just a year later" ?

Again, backgrounds, finances and w5/h ?


Who is Nebal ?

Who are the others ?

What were their "Investigations" ?

Backgrounds, finances and w5/h ?



Janet Yellen - a Polish Jew.
 

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