International Pressure on Russian Energy

[TTUcamper]

So... because Russia, factories in China suddenly want to sell to Vietnamese and not Americans????? You can't do that shit in gold son, or rubles, or yuan, or Euros.

I just think the Chinese want Taiwan and if the dollar keeps inflating we won't be able to do shit because we'll have too much turmoil everywhere else.

Jmo, the Chinese want power, they don't give a shit if the entire world lives in poverty as long as they can lord over them.

 

[America 1st]

I just think the Chinese want Taiwan and if the dollar keeps inflating we won't be able to do shit because we'll have too much turmoil everywhere else.

Jmo, the Chinese want power, they don't give a shit if the entire world lives in poverty as long as they can lord over them.

Demand four the dollar is up. It’s prices that are inflating knot the dollar.

Chyna ain’t got shit on The US. There bio weapon attack strengthened The US economic hold on the world.

The dollar is up inn value compared two 2019.

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[TTUcamper]

Demand four the dollar is up. It’s prices that are inflating knot the dollar.

Chyna ain’t got shit on The US. There bio weapon attack strengthened The US economic hold on the world.

The dollar is up inn value compared two 2019.

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I disagree with basically all of that.

 

[America 1st]

I disagree with basically all of that.

Yew can disagree with whatever yew want butt facts are facts

 

[BigBucnNole]

I just think the Chinese want Taiwan and if the dollar keeps inflating we won't be able to do shit because we'll have too much turmoil everywhere else.

Jmo, the Chinese want power, they don't give a shit if the entire world lives in poverty as long as they can lord over them.

It would take a handful of destroyers, much less a carrier battle group to shut down the Indian Ocean for all Chinese trade. In 1 to 3 months they starve.

China couldn’t get enough naval tonnage at range to even challenge us. They could certainly fuck up japanese, and Philippine cities. Strategically it would do very little.

And think the logic through on a weak dollar. If the dollar is cheaper, it makes the Yuan comparatively more expensive. China does not want an expensive Yuan because it makes Chinese exports harder for importers to buy.

 

[CDDP]

 

[Jtrain80]

Why are you so anti-American?????

This is the 10 yr treasury since 1980...

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Do you think there would've been an increase in demand for dollars if inflation is secretly high? Just try explaining the trend.

You want a smaller old population and a larger young population so workers can pay for older. Otherwise, the numbers invert and you get too many old mouths fed by too few young people. A country like say... China is looking at losing upwards of 100 million workers by 2040. Russia is already losing people. Germany is set for utter collapse, in fact, they would've declined without their refugees/ immigrants. The developing world, while growing, has seen a complete collapse in its rate of growth. The US is the only major power that is still largely growing and will continue. Will we be in the same boat eventually? Maybe? But that's not the case today. Especially when we've added 20 million in the last decade and are slated to have as many as 460 million in 2050.

I have no idea what you are even trying to say about illegals. Surer they run rampant but they're more akin to a sort of seasonal migration that lingers in and out based on US demand. We've had years that have seen illegal migration plummet.

Don't even fucking argue that the US doesn't have some of the most fertile and efficient farming land on the planet.

What are your thoughts on the ruble switching to gold backing?

Also, technology replacing the need for a younger workforce?

 

[TTUcamper]

It would take a handful of destroyers, much less a carrier battle group to shut down the Indian Ocean for all Chinese trade. In 1 to 3 months they starve.

China couldn’t get enough naval tonnage at range to even challenge us. They could certainly fuck up japanese, and Philippine cities. Strategically it would do very little.

And think the logic through on a weak dollar. If the dollar is cheaper, it makes the Yuan comparatively more expensive. China does not want an expensive Yuan because it makes Chinese exports harder for importers to buy.

China wants power, they don't care if they can't sell their cheap shit to us anymore. They don't care if half their citizens die of starvation to make that happen

 

[BigBucnNole]

China wants power, they don't care if they can't sell their cheap shit to us anymore. They don't care if half their citizens die of starvation to make that happen

Why do you keep reiterating this point? If they can't feed theirselves their entire "nation" collapses. Most Chinese, or what are considered the general Chinese population, hate the Han. Shanghai represents a quarter of the Chinese GDP and has always hated Beijing but is effectively bribed to stay apart of China.

South China has even worse relations with Beijing and the Han. The Han to control the country are to a degree pigeon holed into a combination of force and bribery to keep China as China. That's always been how China operates and why ultimately it's untenable to keep China united.

If you can't see that starving the population is enough to make the country fracture, you are being either disingenuous, obstinate, or willfully ignorant.

Shit, don't take my word for it go read up on it yourself.

 

[hmt5000]

Why do you keep reiterating this point? If they can't feed theirselves their entire "nation" collapses. Most Chinese, or what are considered the general Chinese population, hate the Han. Shanghai represents a quarter of the Chinese GDP and has always hated Beijing but is effectively bribed to stay apart of China.

South China has even worse relations with Beijing and the Han. The Han to control the country are to a degree pigeon holed into a combination of force and bribery to keep China as China. That's always been how China operates and why ultimately it's untenable to keep China united.

If you can't see that starving the population is enough to make the country fracture, you are being either disingenuous, obstinate, or willfully ignorant.

Shit, don't take my word for it go read up on it yourself.

It's just weird that China happens to be holding so much of the worlds food stores right now though. Over half the grain and half the rice. It's almost like they are preparing for something. A hiccup in world supply maybe?


I agree that a country formed by a peasant uprising always has to worry about a peasant uprising.

 

[BigBucnNole]

It's just weird that China happens to be holding so much of the worlds food stores right now though. Over half the grain and half the rice. It's almost like they are preparing for something. A hiccup in world supply maybe?


I agree that a country formed by a peasant uprising always has to worry about a peasant uprising.

It's just a security scheme to act like a swing and close any gaps in volatility. Guessing covid has fucked with their production even more and they need a larger stockpile. I'm sure they are worried, rightfully, about another famine coming.

Their Yangtze River Basin has been flooded. Rising prices from covid, and shit relations are all causing issues.

 

[BigBucnNole]

What are your thoughts on the ruble switching to gold backing?

Also, technology replacing the need for a younger workforce?

It could stabilize the Ruble temporarily IF the rest of the planet were to accept Rubles. Issue is that gold is expensive and it would make the Ruble expensive. Which is a bad thing for an export based resource economy when folks have to pay a premium to use your currency to buy your goods.

Technology/ automation is happening. Nobody knows exactly what the world will look like, but right now given the demographic changes in Japan, the Japanese are charging hard with robotic automation. They have a national strategy built around them.

If you have an aging population and automate, and desource (basically having japanese owned shops in other countries selling to those countries), in conjunction there is a chance you can counter balance the aging crisis. Assuming the US market is the consumption sink of course.

 

[CDDP]

Will Europe not pay for their natural gas from Russia if the switch is made? Germany would need to sell Euros and buy Rubles to purchase from Russia. G-7 has said no way. Russia said this isn't a charity and won't give it away for free.

 

[America 1st]

Will Europe not pay for their natural gas from Russia if the switch is made? Germany would need to sell Euros and buy Rubles to purchase from Russia. G-7 has said no way. Russia said this isn't a charity and won't give it away for free.

The US just dragged there dicks all over Russia.

Euro unanimously rejects the Ruble four Dollars and at the same thyme The US makes deals two supply the nat gas.

Putin has gotten cucked every step of the whey bye an administration that isn’t even competent.

 

[Rebarcock.]

US dollar is backed by a powerful economy representing a quarter of world output, global markets where even Chinese output is predominantly sold in dollars in foreign markets, and 10 or 11 carrier battle groups that single handedly have more firepower than than the bulk of foreign naval power.

The Yuan is basically backed by a debt structure akin to drunken giant jenga. The next guy to take a loan has to be a fuckin ace to make sure it doesn't default and bring the whole system crumbling.

The Ruble... not even worth discussing.

I'll add another perspective of how dominant the US is. Average daily spending in China is $7. In the US its $97. China would need to quadruple its population to replace US spending at least. They can't finance enough debt to produce the jobs at the rate they finance, and scale of non performing loans, to make that a reality. There isn't enough cash available to them. The country would collapse before that was a possibility.

Basically that means for any foreigner selling anything worth a shit, the o ly market that matters is the US. You can't access that market without USD. Without the US as a consumption sink, you can't have a world market. You'd get mercantilistic fiefdoms trying to carve out a share of the planet for limited trade.

Tying the ruble to gold as Outin did yesterday is pretty smart and could peeal away the dollar incrementally. 160k ruble for 1 Troy ounce. That could force America to adopt the same system.
By inflating available dollars ea dollar is worth less. Pegged to gold is a good move.
Otherwise I think you got it right

 

[Rebarcock.]

The US just dragged there dicks all over Russia.

Euro unanimously rejects the Ruble four Dollars and at the same thyme The US makes deals two supply the nat gas.

Putin has gotten cucked every step of the whey bye an administration that isn’t even competent.

Itll take a couple years for USA to supply their needs. Europe doesn't have the equipment to handle our ships filled w lpg and a pipeline is a no go today

 

[Rebarcock.]

So... because Russia, factories in China suddenly want to sell to Vietnamese and not Americans????? You can't do that shit in gold son, or rubles, or yuan, or Euros.

For the Russians, sure gold has value in stabilizing themselves as compared to what's happened to the Ruble. But its nothing sustainable long term and most shit you buy on the international market anyway is processed in dollars.

Cannot agree here. Any currency pegged to an asset is generally going to be a better "store" of wealth. It nips inflation. You couldn't have what has happened here the past 18 months

 

[CDDP]

The US just dragged there dicks all over Russia.

Euro unanimously rejects the Ruble four Dollars and at the same thyme The US makes deals two supply the nat gas.

Putin has gotten cucked every step of the whey bye an administration that isn’t even competent.

It will be interesting to see what happens on March 31st. That's the day Russia will no longer accept Euros for Nat. gas. I think it will be time to point at the EU and laugh for not listening to Trump when he told them to not get hooked on Putin's energy. They didn't listen.

 

[hmt5000]

Just heard a guy say a 1% increase to interest rates would tank our economy and lead to a depression. How secure is your monetary system if 1% could wreck it?

And I get that "well the fed won't raise it that high"... but raising rates is how you slow down inflation. IF you take that tool off the table what do you have? War?

 

[TTUcamper]

The US just dragged there dicks all over Russia.

Euro unanimously rejects the Ruble four Dollars and at the same thyme The US makes deals two supply the nat gas.

Putin has gotten cucked every step of the whey bye an administration that isn’t even competent.

They'll just have to freeze to death before we can get the gas to them. Lol

That's not a realistic option in the short term. Long term yes.

 

[TTUcamper]

Tying the ruble to gold as Outin did yesterday is pretty smart and could peeal away the dollar incrementally. 160k ruble for 1 Troy ounce. That could force America to adopt the same system.
By inflating available dollars ea dollar is worth less. Pegged to gold is a good move.
Otherwise I think you got it right

Too many dollars in circulation for us to be ever tied to gold again

 

[America 1st]

They'll just have to freeze to death before we can get the gas to them. Lol

That's not a realistic option in the short term. Long term yes.

It’s summer thyme. They’ll bee fine.

Euro is prepared two cut the cord immediately if knead bee.

 

[TTUcamper]

It’s summer thyme. They’ll bee fine.

Euro is prepared two cut the cord immediately if knead bee.

Lolol. You can't even get a house built in under 12 months right now. The amount of infrastructure needed would probably be years away, even if they started today.

 

[America 1st]

Lolol. You can't even get a house built in under 12 months right now. The amount of infrastructure needed would probably be years away, even if they started today.

“In the short term, the United States plans to send 15 billion cubic meters of additional liquefied natural gas to Europe in 2022 (Climatewire, March 25). The U.S. government and the European Commission set a goal of expanding the European Union's annual imports of U.S. LNG to 50 billion cubic meters by 2030.”

Biden's LNG deal with Europe jolts gas critics

Analysts say the political support could translate into long-term LNG contracts.

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“The United States began exporting LNG in 2016 from the lower 48 states and is on track to have the world’s largest LNG export capacity in 2022, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. In Europe, there are about 30 import projects pending across the continent, according to the Center for Liquefied Natural Gas.”

 

[TTUcamper]

“In the short term, the United States plans to send 15 billion cubic meters of additional liquefied natural gas to Europe in 2022 (Climatewire, March 25). The U.S. government and the European Commission set a goal of expanding the European Union's annual imports of U.S. LNG to 50 billion cubic meters by 2030.”

Biden's LNG deal with Europe jolts gas critics

Analysts say the political support could translate into long-term LNG contracts.

www.eenews.net

“The United States began exporting LNG in 2016 from the lower 48 states and is on track to have the world’s largest LNG export capacity in 2022, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. In Europe, there are about 30 import projects pending across the continent, according to the Center for Liquefied Natural Gas.”

We can send it, they just don't have the means to take it.

 

[America 1st]

We can send it, they just don't have the means to take it.

Southern Europe does.

Most importantly Germany has Ben the most vocal about knot playing ball with Russia over the Ruble shit (they are Moore dependent than others).

Russia will likely cave and if knot Germany has said they’ll call the bluff. Eye can’t believe Howe bad Russia bungled this hole thing.

 

[CDDP]

 

[America 1st]

The Pope is a phaggot butt it’s nice two sea Germany staying strong.

 

[America 1st]

Russia backs down.

 

[CDDP]

Germany and Italy better not fold.

 

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[BigBucnNole]

Germany and Italy better not fold.

They have to. Germany has a mounting demographic crisis where it would've shrunk if not for refugees. The UK has left the EU, Southern Europe is in a crisis on its own, France is an internal/ domestic market since they never fully gave up their Empire and has ahold of Africa for cheap inputs, and the low countries aren't big enough. They have to keep making shit and selling abroad since their own domestic markets suck and are too old. Without gas to manufacture high-quality goods, Germany can't cover the expense of its welfare state and will collapse.

Eventually, I think as the US pulls back out of the international limelight, Germany is forced to look to markets in Poland and Eastern Europe... The same place the Russians are going to be forced to look to, to handle their own demographic crises and security concerns. Guess what happens when those two have competing interests?

 

[BigBucnNole]

Cannot agree here. Any currency pegged to an asset is generally going to be a better "store" of wealth. It nips inflation. You couldn't have what has happened here the past 18 months

Not true. Pegging to a commodity is a horrible idea. Commodities don't grow, economies do. If you peg to a commodity you create a currency shortage leading to deflation and collapse. Great Depression was a deflationary crisis. Money needs to expand to manage velocity and be available in enough supply to facilitate investment.

Just from a trade standpoint, gold forces nations to become importers as their currencies are too expensive to acquire to then buy goods coming from the said nation. Cheap money encourages exports, and for export-based economies like Russia, that's a good thing in a normal world.

Russia's issue is more of no one willing to work with them for now due to the war, not specifically the elements of the Ruble. Now... if the war goes on long enough and shit starts breaking down in Russia and alternatives in places like Venezuela are workable, then the Ruble will have more structural issues and maybe something like gold could be a short-term stabilization method to fix their shit.

 

[TTUcamper]

They are folding. This was destined. Putin doesn't make these moves without knowing the outcomes. Europe put this in motion years ago with their ridiculous corruption

 

[America 1st]

They are folding. This was destined. Putin doesn't make these moves without knowing the outcomes. Europe put this in motion years ago with their ridiculous corruption

Putin folded.

 

[CDDP]

By April 1st we will know if Europe stands strong.

 

[America 1st]

 

[TTUcamper]

Just in Putin says fuck off.



Just waiting to see who flinches first

 

[America 1st]

Just in Putin says fuck off.



Just waiting to see who flinches first

Russia likely flinches first. There move two try two push Rubles reeks of desperation.

 

[TTUcamper]

Russia likely flinches first. There move two try two push Rubles reeks of desperation.

Not really. They have a ton of countries backing them and they pushed for this. India and china are already on board