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Nape said:
Not true. January 5th it was a few cents under $50.
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Good call out. Based on this, the poster from Twitter could have still made their point by stating it was at 36 per barrel the day before the election and is now over 60. So the price per barrel has essentially doubled since the election.

I think the main point remains relevant, “stop jacking up our f@cking oil prices you criminal f@ckers”
 
Scartiger said:
I'm a plumber I don't know the reason it went up but I was paying around 50 dollars for a 20 foot piece of 4 inch sch 40 solid core PVC Pipe and now I'm paying over 80 dollars. So yes it has increased.
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Project engineers are worse than project architects and project architects suck ass. Both of those asshats think they know everything about construction.
 
MittRomneysDraws said:
Two totally different situations, plus Michigan cancelled OSU. Football is not equipped for scheduling an extra game per week on Wednesday due to body punishment. But I'm sure he knows that. As if the team who ran Clemson out of the stadium was going to be upset by Maryland, or Illinois. hahaha... It was the B1G's fault for starting so late and not leaving a window for makeup games. Basketball has time to make up games.

Such as Michigan
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Texas fans know better than to look past Maryland. #still mad
 
UNC71-00 said:
Project engineers are worse than project architects and project architects suck ass. Both of those asshats think they know everything about construction.
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There’s always going to be the person who used to do it and got promoted. There’s always going to be a hierarchical structure on a team or unit. “Who knows more” is always a childish bullshit waste if time activity, especially when viewed by external parties. Sounds like there is a lot of thin skin in the “construction” industry...

In my experience working with diverse teams, the mission is accomplished best when people can be honest, take their lumps, and move on (both directions up and down the command chain). I’m pretty sure the last thing anyone wants is a timid and quiet Project Engineer that has no balls and can’t make a decision.
 
RKirkD said:
No but they damn sure know which vendors bring tacos and doughnuts every Friday.
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Most engineers suffer from the delusion that they know everything because they are engineers. The best ones I work with are listeners. That is, they don’t code information as “processed/decided”, file it and refuse to look at it. They are constantly in discussions about improvement and how to integrate. And, they let procurement handle pricing.
 
Pineapple said:
Most engineers suffer from the delusion that they know everything because they are engineers. The best ones I work with are listeners. That is, they don’t code information as “processed/decided”, file it and refuse to look at it. They are constantly in discussions about improvement and how to integrate. And, they let procurement handle pricing.
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Hasty generalization in first sentence.

And this is for the group - Degreed engineers continue to be marginalized in the court of public opinion and this will never change until there is a uniform “board” for the common practicing engineer (not talking about Professional Engineering license).

Ive seen it a lot in my 20 year career as an electrical engineer. Now I manage about 60 engineers through subordinate supervisors and am not even technical at this point in my career.

I continue to see engineer dick envy in many circles, though, and I’ve always wondered why it’s so prevalent. Some engineers are assholes, I get it. But, if you haven’t experienced and successfully completed an undergraduate engineering degree, then I could postulate there is more to at least try to understand from the perspective of the engineer. (Engineering grad degree programs are typically cake walks compared to undergrad).

One of my guesses is there seems to be very profound occurrence of people calling themselves “engineers” when in reality they are not degreed as such... MDs have the medical boards, lawyers have the bar, CPA’s have the exam, etc... All of those items, respectively, are required for those professions to operate at the lowest common denominator level... Professional Engineering licenses are not required for engineers...

In any regard, I wished something similar was required for engineers to practice at lower levels. I think that would help the “prestige” of engineering...

In my experience, the most asshole-ish, know-it-all “engineers” weren’t in fact degreed engineers at all... They just had that title. Literally just calling themselves an “engineer”.

When is the last time anyone hired a “lawyer” that neither had a law degree nor passed the bar?

My 0.02, FWIW...
 
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Detective John Kimble said:
I tried listening to the Rush Limbaugh show just now to see what the future of the show was (if any future). I had to stop because the guest host is doing the whole fake crying/wavering voice bit talking about the memory of Rush. I liked Rush a lot, but I can’t listen to the over exaggerated tears from this guy.
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He lost a friend. Get outside your world for a moment...
 
GarneT&GolD1978 said:
There’s always going to be the person who used to do it and got promoted. There’s always going to be a hierarchical structure on a team or unit. “Who knows more” is always a childish bullshit waste if time activity, especially when viewed by external parties. Sounds like there is a lot of thin skin in the “construction” industry...

In my experience working with diverse teams, the mission is accomplished best when people can be honest, take their lumps, and move on (both directions up and down the command chain). I’m pretty sure the last thing anyone wants is a timid and quiet Project Engineer that has no balls and can’t make a decision.
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The Project Engineer doesn't make decisions for the subcontractors though- that's the point. The owner gets an Architect and Engineer to design and draw plans. Those 2 then solicit bids from General Contractors, who in turn solicit bids from subcontractors.

As a sub, when we make a bid, we do so according to the plans and specs and costs of materials and labor, since we are buying the materials and labor. I would dog cuss an engineer who told me that I didn't know the costs of my own materials.

ETA: just read your later posts- are you an electrical sub or an EE? Or both?
 
GarneT&GolD1978 said:
Hasty generalization in first sentence.

And this is for the group - Degreed engineers continue to be marginalized in the court of public opinion and this will never change until there is a uniform “board” for the common practicing engineer (not talking about Professional Engineering license).

Ive seen it a lot in my 20 year career as an electrical engineer. Now I manage about 60 engineers through subordinate supervisors and am not even technical at this point in my career.

I continue to see engineer dick envy in many circles, though, and I’ve always wondered why it’s so prevalent. Some engineers are assholes, I get it. But, if you haven’t experienced and successfully completed an undergraduate engineering degree, then I could postulate there is more to at least try to understand from the perspective of the engineer. (Engineering grad degree programs are typically cake walks compared to undergrad).

One of my guesses is there seems to be very profound occurrence of people calling themselves “engineers” when in reality they are not degreed as such... MDs have the medical boards, lawyers have the bar, CPA’s have the exam, etc... All of those items, respectively, are required for those professions to operate at the lowest common denominator level... Professional Engineering licenses are not required for engineers...

In any regard, I wished something similar was required for engineers to practice at lower levels. I think that would help the “prestige” of engineering...

In my experience, the most asshole-ish, know-it-all “engineers” weren’t in fact degreed engineers at all... They just had that title. Literally just calling themselves an “engineer”.

When is the last time anyone hired a “lawyer” that neither had a law degree nor passed the bar?

My 0.02, FWIW...
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Not that way in the civil engineering field. If you aren’t licensed you aren’t an engineer and everybody knows it.
 
GarneT&GolD1978 said:
Hasty generalization in first sentence.

And this is for the group - Degreed engineers continue to be marginalized in the court of public opinion and this will never change until there is a uniform “board” for the common practicing engineer (not talking about Professional Engineering license).

Ive seen it a lot in my 20 year career as an electrical engineer. Now I manage about 60 engineers through subordinate supervisors and am not even technical at this point in my career.

I continue to see engineer dick envy in many circles, though, and I’ve always wondered why it’s so prevalent. Some engineers are assholes, I get it. But, if you haven’t experienced and successfully completed an undergraduate engineering degree, then I could postulate there is more to at least try to understand from the perspective of the engineer. (Engineering grad degree programs are typically cake walks compared to undergrad).

One of my guesses is there seems to be very profound occurrence of people calling themselves “engineers” when in reality they are not degreed as such... MDs have the medical boards, lawyers have the bar, CPA’s have the exam, etc... All of those items, respectively, are required for those professions to operate at the lowest common denominator level... Professional Engineering licenses are not required for engineers...

In any regard, I wished something similar was required for engineers to practice at lower levels. I think that would help the “prestige” of engineering...

In my experience, the most asshole-ish, know-it-all “engineers” weren’t in fact degreed engineers at all... They just had that title. Literally just calling themselves an “engineer”.

When is the last time anyone hired a “lawyer” that neither had a law degree nor passed the bar?

My 0.02, FWIW...
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Not at all on the “hasty”. I’ve been in Industrial Sales for over 20 years. Worked with degreed engineers in most every format that works in that industry. If you read closely you’ll see that I’m not condemning all... just the lot that can’t process new information.

Engineers, typically, and this is from every study and personality profile, manage information like an old mail sorting board. They process information and then assign a box for it. It is damn near impossible to get them to relook at a “decided” issue... they are engineers after all and have made a decision. Every sales training class starts with customer profiles. Once you understand how a person/personality type processes information, you can then determine how to introduce new products/technology... walking into an engineers office and saying “this product will do X” is a recipe for failure.

I have some very close relationships with engineers at various companies. Those relationships have been developed because I never try to “sell” an engineer. I listen to them and ask questions... they love to educate sales.

Aside from engineers and the “envy” you suggest, I would surmise that most people with the title “business development manager/sales” suck at their job. It isn’t “envy” it is an inability to understand how to interact.

I did enjoy your post though and there is some merit to your posit. Some people are jealous of anyone that is smarter than they are on a subject.
 

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