Why is everyone so excited about Trump potentially running in 2024?

[imprimis]

If people needed to register their fingerprints with the state to verify the citizenship with that state to vote I'd be for it.

You could have a system where you get fingerprinted to get your driver's license or other state IDs.

Certainly wouldn't hurt I wouldn't think especially if working in conjunction with a state issued photo ID.

You already get thumb printed in Texas when getting a DL.

 

[imprimis]

You are for a digital database registering every voting American by biological identifiers?

Would call a halt to all these transgender, guys who want to be girls and girls who want to be guys bullshit if they had biological identifiers. Maybe they would find the gay gene if they biologically identified everyone.

 

[BurntJ]

Without coming across as rude, please tell me why you think it's least likely to have mass voter fraud, because what you're saying sounds like you're a troll or you're crazy. How many people know how to burn a piece of paper vs how many people know how to hack? Then take those people that know how to hack and narrow it down to how many people can hack a large scale website with massive security. Then take that group of people and further narrow it down to people know know the exactly algorithms and pipelines of the blockchains and can hack that. It is widely accepted that the block chain is on of the most secure methods of transferring data ever developed.

I remember when everyone believed ALL TORs and Onions and the Dark Web were all the most secure........until it was discovered, that they weren't.

There is alot of FUCKERY that has gone on with Bitcoin and yet no one talks about it. To me, whenever Tech becomes totally understandable and common knowledge to Normies.....its outdated or corrupted.

 

[America 1st]

This is definitely not true. It would entirely defeat the purpose if there were multiple blockchains. because then there would be 50 "middle men" where each state can alter the vote before it gets pumped to the federal gov.


I'm speaking to secure on both ends of the transfer. The transfer would never even happen (aka the person would have never even made a vote) had blockchain been a thing.


I don't give a rats ass how you vote as long as it's your real vote and it is not a fraudulent. It doesn't mean anything to me if your vote was made while you were at a church or while your dick was hanging from between your legs over the toilet.
*Sorry this particular reply came off aggressive and was not intended to be.


I'm guessing there are a lot of things I know that you didn't even know was possible (point proven by your strong desire against blockchain) and I'm guessing that is a two way road. I'm sure there are many things you know that I do not know. That being said, this isn't about what the people understand, this is about what is safest for the integrity of the election.

Didn't read any further than you not wanting 50 individual blockchains.

If there isn't a blockchain for every state then we're nationalizing elections and I'm very much against that.

I don't see how more computers would build public trust in secure elections even if you could guarantee everything to do with the computer portion of it were free from corruption and manipulation.

 

[JerBearr]

Didn't read any further than you not wanting 50 individual blockchains.

If there isn't a blockchain for every state then we're nationalizing elections and I'm very much against that.

I don't see how more computers would build public trust in secure elections even if you could guarantee everything to do with the computer portion of it were free from corruption and manipulation.

You can use one blockchain and still separate votes by state.

 

[America 1st]

You already get thumb printed in Texas when getting a DL.

This. Same in Ohio.

As a law abiding citizen I have nothing against my state having that information to protect me and my vote.

Don't like it then don't vote

I remember when everyone believed ALL TORs and Onions and the Dark Web were all the most secure........until it was discovered, that they weren't.

There is alot of FUCKERY that has gone on with Bitcoin and yet no one talks about it. To me, whenever Tech becomes totally understandable and common knowledge to Normies.....its outdated or corrupted.

Exactly.

Let alone the public had to trust the election process and after 2020 computers and tech if any sort aren't getting that done.

 

[America 1st]

You can use one blockchain and still separate votes by state.

That's fine but again that's what Dominion did.

One piece of tech just used by different states and I'm very much opposed to that.

I want a system I can be confident in and more tech isn't gonna get that done.

I would go back to not voting and many people I know would do the same if you try to push more tech on people.

Getting a system people trust is a major part of the puzzle. Simply "securing" the vote (which you could never convince me is being done with blockchain) isn't going to cut it or solve the problems many of us are angry about in regards to 2020. That's on individual states.

Edit to add:

Elections, even ones the have consequences on the federal level, are still state elections. The Founders were geniuses and placing the federal government in charge of any part of elections is a bad idea IYAM.

The proof of this is Congress (a federal body) certifying the fraudulent results of the election even though many states had sent duel slates of electors.

We need state by state reform that people can trust and understand. Blockchain is great technology but simply not the right tool for this job IYA M

 

[imprimis]

This. Same in Ohio.

As a law abiding citizen I have nothing against my state having that information to protect me and my vote.

Don't like it then don't vote


Exactly.

Let alone the public had to trust the election process and after 2020 computers and tech if any sort aren't getting that done.

Hell, they got everything of mine the first day of boot camp.

People also have to supply thumb prints on some banking transactions. Hell, Chase wanted my DL to deposit, not withdraw, $80 cash last year.

 

[America 1st]

Hell, they got everything of mine the first day of boot camp.

People also have to supply thumb prints on some banking transactions. Hell, Chase wanted my DL to deposit, not withdraw, $80 cash last year.

Yup.

People provide more info to open an account with a bank let alone if they've ever taken out a mortgage.

 

[imprimis]

Yup.

People provide more info to open an account with a bank let alone if they've ever taken out a mortgage.

The disenfranchisement argument is a red herring as are all the others.

 

[JerBearr]

That's fine but again that's what Dominion did.

One piece of tech just used by different states and I'm very much opposed to that.

I want a system I can be confident in and more tech isn't gonna get that done.

I would go back to not voting and many people I know would do the same if you try to push more tech on people.

Getting a system people trust is a major part of the puzzle. Simply "securing" the vote (which you could never convince me is being done with blockchain) isn't going to cut it or solve the problems many of us are angry about in regards to 2020. That's on individual states.

Edit to add:

Elections, even ones the have consequences on the federal level, are still state elections. The Founders were geniuses and placing the federal government in charge of any part of elections is a bad idea IYAM.

The proof of this is Congress (a federal body) certifying the fraudulent results of the election even though many states had sent duel slates of electors.

We need state by state reform that people can trust and understand. Blockchain is great technology but simply not the right tool for this job IYA M

Oh I agree that adding tech will make people less confident, but that doesn't change the fact that it needs to happen. A computer doesn't have a dog in the hunt. It does exactly what it's told to do. We need technology. I agree that getting people to feel comfortable with it is a challenge, but you can't truly believe that paper is more reliable. There are far too many brains and opinions involved with manually counting and sending in paper votes. If a group of humans cant even beat a game of telephone with a 20 person line, then how will 3,243 USA Counties (with probably 50-100 people counting votes at each) accurately send and count votes. Hell I bet you cant even count to 1 million without accidentally making an error (I couldn't either....it inevitable...it going to happen), which is to say, even if 100% of the votes were made for 1 candidate, there would still be errors in manually counting votes; let alone a mixture of votes from hundreds of candidates (write-ins included).

-Case and point, I agree with you that it is a challenge to implement technology, but if you honestly believe that paper is more reliable than technology, I am genuinely concerned for your thought process.

 

[quickfeet]

Any “unfairness” tied to the election came from loose standards tied to reorganizing voting rules on the eve of election to accommodate the pandemic. No way there was enough of a system in place for oversight and verification.

Now normally errors would balance out for both sides. That didn’t happen because trump pushed a bullshit narrative about votes not getting counted if they weren’t counted by Election Day, so enough of his people who voted in the primary didn’t vote in the actual Election Day because they couldn’t get to the polls and declined a mail in ballot.

I’m done with Trump. I’m done with protectionism, I’m done with the pandering to crazies. I’m done with all of it. We want this country to move forward, we can start by dropping his ass. All we have to do is enforce the border, loosen legal immigration, reform our education system, reform the government institutions into a ground up system in place of a top down, and the rest of it falls into place.

Trump was right shot is fvcked up, he correctly identified the parts that are fvcked up. He in no way shape or form came anywhere near addressing it.

This is more in the line of what I’m thinking.

 

[America 1st]

Oh I agree that adding tech will make people less confident, but that doesn't change the fact that it needs to happen. A computer doesn't have a dog in the hunt. It does exactly what it's told to do. We need technology. I agree that getting people to feel comfortable with it is a challenge, but you can't truly believe that paper is more reliable. There are far too many brains and opinions involved with manually counting and sending in paper votes. If a group of humans cant even beat a game of telephone with a 20 person line, then how will 3,243 USA Counties (with probably 50-100 people counting votes at each) accurately send and count votes. Hell I bet you cant even count to 1 million without accidentally making an error (I couldn't either....it inevitable...it going to happen), which is to say, even if 100% of the votes were made for 1 candidate, there would still be errors in manually counting votes; let alone a mixture of votes from hundreds of candidates (write-ins included).

-Case and point, I agree with you that it is a challenge to implement technology, but if you honestly believe that paper is more reliable than technology, I am genuinely concerned for your thought process.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

It appears we fundamentally disagree about many parts of the process.

 

[Renegadenole]

This is definitely not true. It would entirely defeat the purpose if there were multiple blockchains. because then there would be 50 "middle men" where each state can alter the vote before it gets pumped to the federal gov.


I'm speaking to secure on both ends of the transfer. The transfer would never even happen (aka the person would have never even made a vote) had blockchain been a thing.


I don't give a rats ass how you vote as long as it's your real vote and it is not a fraudulent. It doesn't mean anything to me if your vote was made while you were at a church or while your dick was hanging from between your legs over the toilet.
*Sorry this particular reply came off aggressive and was not intended to be.


I'm guessing there are a lot of things I know that you didn't even know was possible (point proven by your strong desire against blockchain) and I'm guessing that is a two way road. I'm sure there are many things you know that I do not know. That being said, this isn't about what the people understand, this is about what is safest for the integrity of the election.

Reading through this thread I was on the same line as @JerBearr and he’s already done the heavy lifting. I’ve had my go with @America 1st trying to explain the blockchain. As I said before, it must be akin to what it was like working for DARPA in 1989 trying to explain the internet.

However, to give @America 1st his due, he is completely right that the “why bother” crowd is a loser mentality. We need the get out the vote and message better than the liberals.

Also love @BigBucnNole stance that every real vote is a good thing (vetted by the blockchain as well). Too many R’s believe voting should be harder so as to dissuade the average joe. That simply is not a longterm winning principle. If we, as Republicans, believe we can elevate Americans to a better life, then let’s get the work done. It will take time but the right side will win. Also agree that DT is not the right person longterm. He served his purpose. Time to move on.

Love the true dialog of this board. (Assuming America 1st isn’t a bot).

 

[America 1st]

Reading through this thread I was on the same line as @JerBearr and he’s already done the heavy lifting. I’ve had my go with @America 1st trying to explain the blockchain. As I said before, it must be akin to what it was like working for DARPA in 1989 trying to explain the internet.

However, to give @America 1st his due, he is completely right that the “why bother” crowd is a loser mentality. We need the get out the vote and message better than the liberals.

Also love @BigBucnNole stance that every real vote is a good thing (vetted by the blockchain as well). Too many R’s believe voting should be harder so as to dissuade the average joe. That simply is not a longterm winning principle. If we, as Republicans, believe we can elevate Americans to a better life, then let’s get the work done. It will take time but the right side will win. Also agree that DT is not the right person longterm. He served his purpose. Time to move on.

Love the true dialog of this board. (Assuming America 1st isn’t a bot).

No bot has this much love for the

 

[America 1st]

@Renegadenole
@BigBucnNole

Are you voting for Trump if runs 2024?

 

[Renegadenole]

@Renegadenole
@BigBucnNole

Are you voting for Trump if runs 2024?

Primary, I doubt it.
General election, damn sure not voting for a democrat.

 

[America 1st]

Primary, I doubt it.
General election, damn sure not voting for a democrat.

That's all that matters.

Figured you might not vote at all was why I was asking.

 

[Renegadenole]

That's all that matters.

Figured you might not vote at all was why I was asking.

Can’t bitch if you don’t vote.
And I have to show my drivers license in the small town I live in to a person I’ve known for 20 years. Asshole still compares the signatures like I might be a foreigner.

 

[America 1st]

Can’t bitch if you don’t vote.
And I have to show my drivers license in the small town I live in to a person I’ve known for 20 years. Asshole still compares the signatures like I might be a foreigner.

I used to consider my abstention to be the way I wanted my vote to be tallied until Trump came along.

Gave me hope I never had in this country and society during my lifetime.

Maybe that's just because I'm younger

 

[Renegadenole]

I used to consider my abstention to be the way I wanted my vote to be tallied until Trump came along.

Gave me hope I never had in this country and society during my lifetime.

Maybe that's just because I'm younger

I was more of the “Ron Paul cured my apathy” crowd. Loved (love) that guy. Wish he had DT charisma.

 

[America 1st]

I was more of the “Ron Paul cured my apathy” crowd. Loved (love) that guy. Wish he had DT charisma.

Ron was pretty cool.

Don't agree with all his positions but he is certainly better than the alternatives back then.

 

[Renegadenole]

Ron was pretty cool.

Don't agree with all his positions but he is certainly better than the alternatives back then.

Yep. I know you’re a big Fed/Central Bank guy.

 

[America 1st]

Yep. I know you’re a big Fed/Central Bank guy.

Haha no. I hate the Fed and the central banks.

Love sovereign nations having their own currencies tho. Don't need the fed or the central banks to keep the dollar poppin

The dollar was created on April 2, 1792 before The Fed was ever a thought.

 

[Renegadenole]

Haha no. I hate the Fed and the central banks.

Love sovereign nations having their own currencies tho. Don't need the fed or the central banks to keep the dollar poppin

The dollar was created on April 2, 1792 before The Fed was ever a thought.

And the Republican Party was created in 1854 long before DT was ever a thought...

 

[America 1st]

And the Republican Party was created in 1854 long before DT was ever a thought...

Until Trump was a thought those goons were almost as bad as the Dims.

Fucking swampy trash.

Tim Scott, George Bush Sr & Jr, John Roberts... Those are not "my" people.

It's good you are starting to understand my position more. I'm very much America 1st!