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This is a great interview with the CEO of MicroStrategy. If you have time listen to the whole thing. If not start at the 4:50 second spot.

He has almost convinced me to take out a mortgage on my house to buy some shitcoin.

 

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I do not. From the article its says that its is privately held. I'll see what we can dig up on it.
I think that is what is going to start happening with crypto. The big boys are going to start developing/acquiring technologies and start pushing others out of the market. To some degree I guess that has kind of been the idea all along and you want to be in on the projects that get adopted
 

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I think that is what is going to start happening with crypto. The big boys are going to start developing/acquiring technologies and start pushing others out of the market. To some degree I guess that has kind of been the idea all along and you want to be in on the projects that get adopted
Agreed.

Its also a nod to BTC though, as its ownership is not as concentrated as any other product out there.

Now when a token is created, a large portion of the tokens are held by insiders, essentialy centralizing its power. BTC has a broad enough user base and the first 1mm BTC have never been used. So that concentration of wealth is not as pronounced as anything new that comes out.
 

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Anyone here considering FJB coin? I see Bannon and the War Room guys are backing it. I think it would be pretty funny to see how the media would handle FJB going to the moon, so I bought a few coins just in case it does.

What do you all think?
I am completely out on meme coins. Dogecoin blew up but that has been around for and had some time for the tech to mature (somewhat)
 

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you saying you think we are going to outlaw shitcoin?
No I’m saying the government is gonna take everyone’s bitcoin and give them 10cents on the dollar for it. That’s what they did with gold when it backed the reserve currency

Crazy to think that happened. Just knocked on peoples doors, took their gold, and if they were found out not to comply, 10 years of prison.

This happened in USA, crazy to think about
 

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I used to read zerohedge all the time.

Here is my guess to what is going to happen if/when it becomes a reserve currency:

The gov (SEC & FINRA) has already approved BTC etf’s, BTC Futures, and many other products. They have basically given its blessings to BTC. It’s too late to turn back now. Not sure they could stop it, even if they wanted to.
 

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No I’m saying the government is gonna take everyone’s bitcoin and give them 10cents on the dollar for it. That’s what they did with gold when it backed the reserve currency

Crazy to think that happened. Just knocked on peoples doors, took their gold, and if they were found out not to comply, 10 years of prison.

This happened in USA, crazy to think about
There is a lot of shit that happened in the last two years that i never thought I would see in my lifetime.

But BTC is much better than gold in that respect. Much harder to confiscate. Espescially on a large scale.

Even if they shut down miners here in the US there are plenty of countries like el. Salvador that would be happy to host them.

I just think BTC is a self fulfilling prophecy at this point. It’s going to do what it wants to do regardless of governments. You don’t change BTC, it changes you.

Bought a lot of crypto Last two weeks
So hope I’m right.
 

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There is a lot of shit that happened in the last two years that i never thought I would see in my lifetime.

But BTC is much better than gold in that respect. Much harder to confiscate. Espescially on a large scale.

Even if they shut down miners here in the US there are plenty of countries like el. Salvador that would be happy to host them.

I just think BTC is a self fulfilling prophecy at this point. It’s going to do what it wants to do regardless of governments. You don’t change BTC, it changes you.

Bought a lot of crypto Last two weeks
So hope I’m right.
Yeah BTC is the future, but I feel the government and bankers are going to find a way to go in dry on its citizens.

Doesn’t mean I think it’s a bad idea to accumulate. I think you did awesome buying over the last couple weeks
 

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GoFundMe, GiveSendGo, are still intermediaries. Why don't the truckers just throw a BTC address up on the screen and the donations go directly to them? This is the kind of problem that BTC is designed to solve.


 

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GoFundMe, GiveSendGo, are still intermediaries. Why don't the truckers just throw a BTC address up on the screen and the donations go directly to them? This is the kind of problem that BTC is designed to solve.



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Cryptos were showing weakness early this year into the rising intrest rate environment with BTC trading down as low as ~$35,000 per coin.

However, things changed quickly and Russia has since invaded Ukraine. The global reaction has been to kick Russia out of the global SWIFT payment system to try and choke Russia economically. Since this announcement, BTC has rallied ~25% and is now trading $45,000 per coin.

Will Putin and Russia use BTC to move money? If so, would the globe try to regulate it? El Salvador has of course declared it the national currency, would be hard for other countries to ban it.

Crypto is providing another aspect that was not available during previous wars. Are cryptos about to go on a run higher? Will they correlate to interest rates, the stock market, geopoloitcal events, or nothing at all?
 
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@America 1st only .15% of digital asset transactions are linked to illicit activities.

Covid kills pretty much at the same rate.

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That’s a lot of transactions and most importantly.15% two many four something that shouldn’t exist anyweighs.

Just looking at the 6M Chyna virus deaths worldwide and it’s easy two sea Howe that .15% ads up quick.
 

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How Do Digital Currencies Pose a National Security Threat to the US?​

There are three ways in which crypto currencies could impact U.S. national security.

First, Bitcoin and other digital currencies are easier to "launder" than cash, i.e., move around and convert into other assets. Had DarkSide asked for cash or for the money to be wired to a foreign bank, it would have been far easier to track where the money was going.

Moving large quantities of cash without government sanction is difficult. Just try to buy a car, much less a house, for cash. Likewise, even if a foreign bank had been willing to accept and process the wire transfer, any financial institutions that participated in the transaction without regulatory approval would find themselves frozen out of the SWIFT network.

SWIFT stands for Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, legally S.W.I.F.T. SCRL. It "provides a network that enables financial institutions worldwide to send and receive information about financial transactions in a secure, standardized and reliable environment." A bank frozen out of the SWIFT network could not deal with other banks and would find it impossible to operate internationally or do much more than provide local banking services.

A comparable regulatory structure for digital currencies has not yet evolved. More regulation is coming but, since digital currencies can be transferred directly through peer-to-peer networks, regulatory agencies may never have the degree of control over digital currencies that they do over electronic financial transactions involving conventional currencies.

By making it easier to monetize criminal activity, the rise of digital currencies may lead to an increase in criminal activity, especially activity like ransomware that can be conducted remotely. While any one activity may not rise to the level of a national security threat, the possibility of an overall increase in criminality does -- especially when those criminal acts are being conducted by foreign bad actors against American companies, U.S. government agencies or elements of critical American infrastructure.

Secondly, the creation of digital currencies represents an enormous transfer of wealth. Take Bitcoin, for example. Currently, approximately 900 Bitcoins are created each day. At the time of this writing, Bitcoin was trading at approximately $40,000 per coin. That means $36 million of Bitcoin is made -- the term used is "mining" -- each day, or approximately $1 billion a month.

In April 2020, for example, 65% of all Bitcoin mining occured in China. The next five largest Bitcoin miners are the U.S., 7.24%; Russia, 6.9%; Kazakhstan, 6.17%; Malaysia, 4.33%; and Iran, 3.82%. CNBChas estimated that Chinese Bitcoin mining may be as high as 75%; others have suggested that the number of Chinese Bitcoin miners could be as high as 85% or more.

Close to 90% of Bitcoin mining is being done by countries that the U.S. considers adversaries. On balance, these countries have been net sellers of Bitcoin over the last several years, while U.S. and European investors and financial institutions have been net buyers.

It's not entirely clear who all the Chinese, Russian and Iranian entities mining Bitcoin are or what links, if any, they have to their government or military. They may not have any. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, however, has long been rumored to be involved in Bitcoin mining.

The current pace of activity represents a transfer of over $10 billion of wealth each year from the U.S. and its European allies to potential adversaries. That transfer represents only new mining activity. It does not take into account the appreciation in previously mined Bitcoin that those miners may have retained. That also applies, on a smaller scale, to the transfer of wealth to North Korean Bitcoin miners, an activity that is certainly occurring under government control and whose scope is unknown.

The third and most serious threat to U.S. national security is the impact of digital currencies on both the status of the dollar as a reserve currency and on American control over the institutions/mechanisms of the international monetary system.

The U.S. government obtains an enormous amount of political leverage from its influence over the institutions/structures of the international monetary system. That influence is the result of a number of factors: the role of the dollar as a reserve currency; the fact that much of the world's trade, including the trade in commodities, is denominated in dollars; the size of the U.S. economy (still about a quarter of global gross national product); the role of U.S. banks in the international system; and de facto U.S. control over many of the institutions that enable global capital flows.

Over the last several decades, successive administrations have used economic and financial sanctions as a preferred alternative to armed conflict and as a key instrument of foreign policy. Any development that erodes the U.S. position astride the international monetary system directly impacts the tools that Washington has available to implement its foreign policy and, by extension, will raise national security issues.

 

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It actually goes on to say much more than that. "A strategic national security opportunity."

To me this is them acknowledging that you aren't getting rid of BTC so they better figure out how to adapt to its existence before the rest of the world. The adage "you don't change BTC, BTC changes you" applies here.



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It actually goes on to say much more than that. "A strategic national security opportunity."

To me this is them acknowledging that you aren't getting rid of BTC so they better figure out how to adapt to its existence before the rest of the world. The adage "you don't change BTC, BTC changes you" applies here.



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This is wear eye think crypto fans get it most wrong.

BTC Will most certainly adapt two The US and yore already seaing that happen. BTC has lost a lot in recent months and people can sea the chinks inn the armour.
 

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You could say that for any risky investment. Been hearing that since 2008 when BTC was invented
That’s interesting because all I’ve ever herd was how grate BTC was up until Trump started speaking the truth about Howe evil it is back during his first term.
 

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Missed this yesterday. My mind gets blown every time I start thinking about all the ins and outs of this. I just like looking at it more and more as the technology driving it rather than the idea of it being an actual currency.
The technology has many grate yewses.

It’s the weigh it’s used currently inn these “currencies” that is the problem.
 
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