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Which case is that?

You and I might feel that way but it’s up to the elected leaders of the states, and the agencies empowered by those legislatures, to make the decisions of what’s needed for public safety. As stated in Jacobson the “general public expresses their demands” and expectations for public health via elections and who they empower to execute their laws.

I’m pretty sure every state is still in a declared state of emergency (not that they need a state of emergency declaration to do what they’re doing) although I don’t keep track of every state’s position on that topic (Maybe Florida or OK?).

All that makes me thrilled to live a red state as opposed to a purple or blue state. I think we’ll see a continued exodus from deep blue states like CA and NY because of these heavy handed mandates.
I was just making a general statement that because the language is broad and could be up to interpretation that it could make any case tough to win, not referencing a specific case.
 
I was just making a general statement that because the language is broad and could be up to interpretation that it could make any case tough to win, not referencing a specific case.
You’d think but courts haven’t really entertained the argument that the mandates are unreasonable or not in the public interest.

They’ve been differing to the state authority on the issue or outright referencing the death count (supposed).

The courts have generally been just as defensive of state authorities that have removed mandates tho and differed to health officials and their authority in those cases as well.
 
Justice John Marshall Harlan delivered the decision for a 7–2 majority that the Massachusetts law did not violate the Fourteenth Amendment. The Court held that "in every well ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand" and that "[r]eal liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own [liberty], whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

Furthermore, the Court held that mandatory vaccinations are neither arbitrary nor oppressive so long as they do not "go so far beyond what was reasonably required for the safety of the public".

Those are pretty broad statements that would make it a tough case to win.
I agree but then it would have to be an actual vaccine? Am I missing something? If it was truly a vaccine, why need booster shots?
 

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I agree but then it would have to be an actual vaccine? Am I missing something? If it was truly a vaccine, why need booster shots?
Trying to convince the court those jabs don’t meet the definition of a vaccine would be a tough sell especially with the CDC and the majority of the medical community saying they are vaccines. There is also precedence to consider specific to this jab which comes from the Houston hospital case:

In a scathing ruling Saturday, U.S. District Judge Lynn Hughes of Houston deemed lead plaintiff Jennifer Bridges' contention that the vaccines are "experimental and dangerous" to be false and otherwise irrelevant. He also found that her likening the vaccination requirement to the Nazis’ forced medical experimentation on concentration camp captives during the Holocaust to be "reprehensible."

Hughes also ruled that making vaccinations a condition of employment was not coercion, as Bridges contended.

"Bridges can freely choose to accept or refuse a COVID-19 vaccine; however, if she refuses, she will simply need to work somewhere else. If a worker refuses an assignment, changed office, earlier start time, or other directive, he may be properly fired. Every employment includes limits on the worker's behavior in exchange for remuneration. That is all part of the bargain," Hughes concluded.

Hughes is a Reagan appointee FWIW

There would also be the consideration that many other vaccines require booster shots:

Classic booster doses are the:


 
Trying to convince the court those jabs don’t meet the definition of a vaccine would be a tough sell especially with the CDC and the majority of the medical community saying they are vaccines. There is also precedence to consider specific to this jab which comes from the Houston hospital case:

In a scathing ruling Saturday, U.S. District Judge Lynn Hughes of Houston deemed lead plaintiff Jennifer Bridges' contention that the vaccines are "experimental and dangerous" to be false and otherwise irrelevant. He also found that her likening the vaccination requirement to the Nazis’ forced medical experimentation on concentration camp captives during the Holocaust to be "reprehensible."

Hughes also ruled that making vaccinations a condition of employment was not coercion, as Bridges contended.

"Bridges can freely choose to accept or refuse a COVID-19 vaccine; however, if she refuses, she will simply need to work somewhere else. If a worker refuses an assignment, changed office, earlier start time, or other directive, he may be properly fired. Every employment includes limits on the worker's behavior in exchange for remuneration. That is all part of the bargain," Hughes concluded.

Hughes is a Reagan appointee FWIW

There would also be the consideration that many other vaccines require booster shots:

Classic booster doses are the:


Well listen to you, all establishmenty and what not.
 

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