• Pat Flood (@rebarcock) passed away 9/21/25. Pat played a huge role in encouraging the devolopmemt of this site and donated the very first dollar to get it started. Check the thread at the top of the board for the obituary and please feel free to pay your respects there. I am going to get all the content from that thread over to his family so they can see how many people really cared for Pat outside of what they ever knew. Pat loved to tell stories and always wanted everyone else to tell stories. I think a great way we can honor Pat is to tell a story in his thread (also pinned at the top of the board).

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tgsio said:
So happy for you. Congrats!!!!

I love SBurg. It's a good town.

(I'm a WCU grad).
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Thank you! Yeah, Spartanburg is a great place. Has changed a ton for the better since I grew up there in the 80s & 90s. Downtown used to be like so many places, not very safe at night. In the last 10-20 years there have been countless millions invested in improving the whole area...much of it by one or two very wealthy people.

Anyway, it has turned into a really nice little city. Great food & bars, places to live, etc. Apparently about 25 people are relocating to Spartanburg every day, most of them from Greenville believe it or not. G'ville has gotten too big and expensive for alot of folks.
 
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GarnetPild said:
Thank you! Yeah, Spartanburg is a great place. Has changed a ton for the better since I grew up there in the 80s & 90s. Downtown used to be like so many places, not very safe at night. In the last 10-20 years there have been countless millions invested in improving the whole area...much of it by one or two very wealthy people.

Anyway, it has turned into a really nice little city. Great food & bars, places to live, etc. Apparently about 25 people are relocating to Spartanburg every day, most of them from Greenville believe it or not. G'ville has gotten too big and expensive for alot of folks.
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I do believe and know it.

Have more than a few friends who moved to Greenville from Asheville when Aville got a little big for their britches... and then moved to Spartanburg.

One of my best friends is from Bethune and we have other friends at Lake Keowee. Won't be too much longer til I'm back in the Carolinas. I'll be a little further west, but still. My favorite part of the country, geographically and people.
 
tgsio said:
I do believe and know it.

Have more than a few friends who moved to Greenville from Asheville when Aville got a little big for their britches... and then moved to Spartanburg.

One of my best friends is from Bethune and we have other friends at Lake Keowee. Won't be too much longer til I'm back in the Carolinas. I'll be a little further west, but still. My favorite part of the country, geographically and people.
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It is a wonderful area, upstate South Carolina. Cannot argue that. Beautiful scenery, great weather, nice sized towns where there is plenty to do, but not too crowded, and the nicest people you will find...I will miss being near the coast though.
 
GarnetPild said:
It is a wonderful area, upstate South Carolina. Cannot argue that. Beautiful scenery, great weather, nice sized towns where there is plenty to do, but not too crowded, and the nicest people you will find...I will miss being near the coast though.
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I prefer the mountains, though I guess I could motivate to survive on the coast. 😊 My soul just relaxes when I'm there. It's seriously a physical change. I can feel it and my husband and kids can see it. We'll probably end up in SC close to the NC border.
 
tgsio said:
I prefer the mountains, though I guess I could motivate to survive on the coast. 😊 My soul just relaxes when I'm there. It's seriously a physical change. I can feel it and my husband and kids can see it. We'll probably end up in SC close to the NC border.
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Funny, I feel the exact way about the ocean and beach. Something very calming about the energy there...look me up when you relocate, I'll buy yall a beer!
 
GatorOK said:
You have seen Kurt Klewin’s writings here before. He is a true patriot, and I did invite him to the board. See below:

Hey all. Ive been purposely silent on this for awhile, but I feel there is some misinfornation out there in regards to Southwests meltdown this last weekend. There has NOT been a coordinated job action by pilots or other work groups. We are all professionals and our unyielding objective is to get you and your family to your destination safely. Ive worked here for 16 years, I love my job, my co-workers, and my customers (especially all the kids that come visit the cockpit). It took me 20 years of flying experience to get this job and 36 years of flying experience to become a Captain. And like many of my coworkers, I will be terminated for not getting the vaccine, as announced last Tuesday. For the record I 100% support those like me that chose not to get an experimental vaccine (The FDA approved Pfizer vax is not yet available in the US). I 100% support my coworkers that chose to get the vaccine. And I 100% support my coworkers that felt they "had a gun to their head" (didnt want it but couldnt afford to get fired). I have concerns about the long term effects of the vaccines as those are not yet known, I have fears of short term medical reactions, my health insurance will not cover experimental vaccine injuries, I have religous concerns and objections, and I feel my individual liberty to refuse experimental forced medication by government edict is contrary to and in contrast with my individual rights as afforded by the constitution. The mandates by Southwest are not their fault. They were directly called by the Biden administration and told to force vaccinations or lose their government contracts and have to pay back the PSP money. They were strong armed.

That aside for now, here are the facts:

1. In the macro prospective, there has been a worldwide pilot shortage for many years. In an analysis early this year, the consulting firm Oliver Wyman estimated that U.S. pilot demand will exceed supply by more than 9,000 by January 2022. (Months from now).

2. All airlines cut pilots too deeply during covid and the rebound in air travel took the industry by surprise. Getting pilots back online is a months long process to include ramping up hiring in our training center. Thus we have been operating "short" since the spring of 2021.

3. Pilots have picked up flying on days off to help stabilize the operation. This has worked until recently when if you picked up flying for one day, once they had you on property they could "JA" you (keep you at work on a day off) for another day or two. A two day trips turns into 3 or 4. A turn you pick up to help out turns into 2 or 3 days. Then your 3 or 4 days off becomes 1 or 2 days before your back to work. Hence pilots have started to pick up less overtime to help with inadequate manning because of the likely possibility of working more on days off, which now makes the problem worse.

4. Since the announcement of firings on Tuesday, the large percent of pilots who will not get the mandated vaccine faced the prospect of leaving a job they love and being unemployed, myself included. I cannot tell you the stress this puts one under. I havent slept much, and back in Sept when I saw this on the horizon, I lost a lot of sleep. One night I didnt sleep and was up 31 hours straight. Making post employment budgets, cutting expenses, getting together a resume", cover letters, and reaching out to contacts. Lots of "stewing" happens late at night for many of us. Many other pilots are in the same boat and as you know, if we show up for work on 2 hrs sleep you dont want a stressed and sleepless pilot flying a 75 ton plane at 500mph with 175 passengers onboard. By the same token you want your pilot focused on what we do best and not mulling his or her imminant firing. We are required to call in sick if we are in no condition to fly, for your safety.

5. As an expansion to the above we follow an IMSAFE checklist where we assess our fitness to fly. IMSAFE stands for Illness, Medication, Stress, Alcohol, Fatigue, and Emotion. If we feel any one of those compromise safety we are required to call out sick. The prospect of being fired and resulting stress hits on many of these. Stress, lack of sleep (fatigue), medication (if we take a PM pill or similar to sleep we cannot fly), emotion (this is very emotional), all are part of what many of us are dealing with. This is what leads to sick calls (passenger safety) and not a job action.

6. Half of our pilots commute. So when flights are cancelled in large numbers it affects us getting to work. If a pilots commute flight doesnt make it, another 8 or 10 flights may be cancelled. Add to this the FAA just increased passenger weights (apparently we are all gaining weight) hence it has decreased the carry capacity of our flights making carrying pilots on the cockpit jumpseat harder due to weight restrictions and pilots have a harder time getting to work.

7. Often we are scheduled for long day. A 12 hr workday is common and delays can make work days extend to 14 hrs or more. If we land and there is no hotel van (common) we cab or uber to the hotel. The transportation workers and hotels are min staffed due to the dont work incentives. It can take a long time to get to a hotel and the FAA requires an 8 hr min rest opportunity that often includes loud hotels, little or no food available, and unrestful rest. A fatigued pilot (after a 14 hr work day and 5 hrs sleep) is required to call in fatigued and be replaced. You see where this compounds the problem.

8. This not just pilots. Ground op is short staffed and is being forced into mandatory overtime. Some working 16 hr shifts. They get tired, sick, worn down, and quit or call out for obvious reasons. If I pull into a gate and we wait for ramp crews we get delayed. We wait for an ops agent, we get delayed. Dispatch, maintenance, provisioning, fueling....all can delay a flight. Its a team effort. Every delay extends crew duty days and when we reach the FAA max duty day, we cant fly anymore and flights get cancelled. Its a massive operation where each person is important. If we force medical procedures on employees, many will not comply, and the ability to run a business is destroyed.

This whole thing is heart breaking. I have two friends who had to pull applications to Southwest due to the mandate (Southwest rejects applications if you say you wont take the shot). One just texted me and he has an interview with Delta and they will honor his choice to use his natural immunity.

This not the fault of Southwest Airlines employees. Improvements in our operation can be made, but ultimately the Biden administration has decided to take over the medical decisions of airline employees and Southwest employees are not in agreement. We sell the "Freedom to Fly" . Freedom is the basis of who we are. Southwest empoyees are unique in the industry and our employees are hard working patriots, freedom lovers, with an unyielding spirit of independence and devotion to our jobs, customers, and company.

Joe can terminate us....but our Spirit will not be crushed.

"The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman" - Thomas Paine

The views expressed above are mine and mine alone and do not reflect those of my employer and I dont speak for them in any way.
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Thanks for sharing. This backs up what I have heard Tim Pool saying- That this isn't a mass call in sick thing, but just people being over worked and worn the hell out.
 
GarnetPild said:
Thanks for sharing. This backs up what I have heard Tim Pool saying- That this isn't a mass call in sick thing, but just people being over worked and worn the hell out.
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🤣 That's what you took from that? You may need to look again, as it seems you overlooked the extensive writing between the lines.

It most certainly is a mass call in sick thing, and he lays out why very clearly and repeatedly (........ mandate), without expressly stating they're all playing hookie in protest (as long as the mandate is in place, we are "required" to stay home due to the stress and lack of sleep, etc it causes - implicitly, lift the mandate and we'll be "healthy enough" to return to work).
 
Ready4Vegas said:
🤣 That's what you took from that? You may need to look again, as it seems you overlooked the extensive writing between the lines.

It most certainly is a mass call in sick thing, and he lays out why very clearly and repeatedly (........ mandate), without expressly stating they're all playing hookie in protest (as long as the mandate is in place, we are "required" to stay home due to the stress and lack of sleep, etc it causes - implicitly, lift the mandate and we'll be "healthy enough" to return to work).
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Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my reply. Yes, pilots are calling in sick...not as a mass protest to the vaccine mandate, but because they are actually worn the hell out from being overworked.

Edit to add, I don't think them being tired & overworked is because of the mandate.
 
America 1st said:
Which study were y’all talking about?
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The one linked in the 1st sentence in this article-

nationalfile.com

UK Government Report: Vast Majority of Delta Variant Deaths Are VACCINATED People, NOT Unvaccinated People

A Public Health England Technical briefing released in September 2021 entitled “SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England” has some findings that do not bode well for vaccine supporters. The numbers show vaccinated people contracted and died of the so-called...
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GarnetPild said:
Thank you! Yeah, Spartanburg is a great place. Has changed a ton for the better since I grew up there in the 80s & 90s. Downtown used to be like so many places, not very safe at night. In the last 10-20 years there have been countless millions invested in improving the whole area...much of it by one or two very wealthy people.

Anyway, it has turned into a really nice little city. Great food & bars, places to live, etc. Apparently about 25 people are relocating to Spartanburg every day, most of them from Greenville believe it or not. G'ville has gotten too big and expensive for alot of folks.
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Congrats on the new job man. I have a few friends that live in Spartanburg and they love it. Does the Beacon Drive In still exist? Haven't been there in about 25 years need to get back and check it out.
 
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Wildturkey12 said:
A little late to the party, but what you posted above (in bold) is one of the most insidious lies being spread by pro-vaxxers.

The COVID vaccines were unquestionably designed to prevent infection as made clear in the clinical trial design. The PRIMARY endpoint effectiveness measure, the one that would decide whether or not the vaccine would pass the trials, was prevention of infection. The vaccines needed to have > 50% effectiveness as compared to the control or it would fail. The protection against severe disease was merely a secondary measure and to my recollection there was no target that the vaccine needed to meet. The “95% effective” number used to justify the ELA was against infection.

This bullshit shifting of the goal posts to only talking about “effectiveness” in the context of hospitalizations and deaths only happened after it became clear that breakthrough cases were skyrocketing.

If the clinical trial had actually continued as designed (2 years) rather than Pfizer unblinding after only 6 months (ending the trial), the vaccine would not meet that 50% threshold given how utterly ineffective (per the actual measure of preventing infections) it is against Delta. Almost every study you see talking about effectiveness only includes data though early June, and the few that go longer are usually early August. Delta did not really start taking off until late June/July. Given that we know from Pfizer’s own data that the effectiveness even against the original strains starts dropping like a rock after about 4 months, within a couple of months all the data will start showing effectiveness well below 50% (the Israel study through early August already showed ~43%).

That is why boosters are so important to the narrative. Anyone that got the shot > 6 months or so essentially has no better protection against infection than being unvaccinated (especially if there was prior infection).

Here’s the kicker, the clinical trial said nothing about boosters. They are not considered as part of the overall effectiveness of the vaccine as far as the trial is concerned. By its own standards, the FDA should revoke the BLA. This will never happen of course, but anyone pretending the vaccine I supported by the science clearly has no idea what they’re talking about.
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They use the effectiveness of the vaccine prior to the variant, don’t include data from the variant (not enough yet), although, in One study I saw, the breakthrough infections are >70% Delta. bBreakthrough is a misnomer as the vaccine Sucks against delta. With no vaccinations, the delta would have died off in India or buttfuckistan because there was natural immunity already negating any selection pressure.
 
tgsio said:
I prefer the mountains, though I guess I could motivate to survive on the coast. 😊 My soul just relaxes when I'm there. It's seriously a physical change. I can feel it and my husband and kids can see it. We'll probably end up in SC close to the NC border.
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GarnetPild said:
Funny, I feel the exact way about the ocean and beach. Something very calming about the energy there...look me up when you relocate, I'll buy yall a beer!
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The beach is the best place to live, awesome restaurants, lots of job opportunities and best of all no snow. Can wear a tshirt and shorts on Christmas Day!
 
MortgageHorn said:
If They're That Quick I'm Wondering How They Missed the E-mails On Hillary's Unsecured Home-Brewed Server

BTW Tell The Boys I Hope They Are Enjoying My Dirty Texts and E-mails to My Hottie Asian/Latinas

Pro-Tip

Randomly Send a Dirty Text to Your Significant Other Of How You Are Going to Ravage Her and I Promise You'll Be Rewarded When You Get Home

And Saying "I Love You" Doesn't Count - Be Dirty - Not Gross Dirty But Penthouse Forum Dirty

Trust Me
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Like asking your wife if she’s going to wear the panties her mother laid out for her?
 
ChicagoFats said:
Congrats on the new job man. I have a few friends that live in Spartanburg and they love it. Does the Beacon Drive In still exist? Haven't been there in about 25 years need to get back and check it out.
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It does, but the White family sold it, and JC Strobel passed away. Still a landmark, but without JC calling the orders it isn't the same. Better grease pits up there for burgers anyway.


🤣😍

Growing up, we used to dove hunt with Johnny White & a bunch of guys, opening weekend. They owned a half a dozen fields around the county, and opening day invited everyone they knew. They opened the Beacon for breakfast, just for us, and we all hung out & ate, then went and hunted doves all morning...one of my favorite memories growing up.
 

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