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UK Government Report: Vast Majority of Delta Variant Deaths Are VACCINATED People, NOT Unvaccinated People​



I read that entire study, because I thought those numbers were interesting & I wanted to share them. However, like everything else these days, the numbers don't back up the headlines.

The study did show more deaths with the delta variant amongst the vaccinated, but a HUGE majority of brits are vaccinated. 90% of their adults are now vaccinated. So the pool of vaccinated people is 9x higher than unvaccinated. The study shows that they are 9x the population, but they are only about 3x the number of deaths. Study seems to show the opposite of what the headline is trying to imply. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
I read that entire study, because I thought those numbers were interesting & I wanted to share them. However, like everything else these days, the numbers don't back up the headlines.

The study did show more deaths with the delta variant amongst the vaccinated, but a HUGE majority of brits are vaccinated. 90% of their adults are now vaccinated. So the pool of vaccinated people is 9x higher than unvaccinated. The study shows that they are 9x the population, but they are only about 3x the number of deaths. Study seems to show the opposite of what the headline is trying to imply. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Well it seems to me the point would be this amazing "vaccine" is still not preventing death which is supposed to be the entire purpose of taking this poison.
 
Well it seems to me the point would be this amazing "vaccine" is still not preventing death which is supposed to be the entire purpose of taking this poison.

True, just making sure we have our facts straight. That study actually showed you are still more likely to die if you are unvaccinated. I am not, and will not get the jab, but do want us to use sound arguments when defending our position.
 
True, just making sure we have our facts straight. That study actually showed you are still more likely to die if you are unvaccinated. I am not, and will not get the jab, but do want us to use sound arguments when defending our position.
Yeah I get it. But the issue is all the entries into VAERS by actual med professionals, thousands have died and hundreds of thousands have had adverse reactions to the jab, nobody has a clue as to what will happen to those that took it 3 to 5 years from now and in the meantime it still is not preventing people from catching, spreading and/or dying from it. So....there really is no reason to take it as it is far more risk than the .3% chance of dying from it is. And that .3% is actually zero when you add in the REAL therapeutics that the media and ruling class don't want anyone using or knowing about.
 
Yeah I get it. But the issue is all the entries into VAERS by actual med professionals, thousands have died and hundreds of thousands have had adverse reactions to the jab, nobody has a clue as to what will happen to those that took it 3 to 5 years from now and in the meantime it still is not preventing people from catching, spreading and/or dying from it. So....there really is no reason to take it as it is far more risk than the .3% chance of dying from it is. And that .3% is actually zero when you add in the REAL therapeutics that the media and ruling class don't want anyone using or knowing about.

I agree 100%...I just don't want our side out there misrepresenting studies because it makes us less believable & more loony to the average person.

That study has been thrown around a ton lately, in a effort to show that you are more likely to die if you are vaccinated. The study shows the opposite of that. We have plenty of points to bring up on our side, without being misleading.
 
Yeah I get it. But the issue is all the entries into VAERS by actual med professionals, thousands have died and hundreds of thousands have had adverse reactions to the jab, nobody has a clue as to what will happen to those that took it 3 to 5 years from now and in the meantime it still is not preventing people from catching, spreading and/or dying from it. So....there really is no reason to take it as it is far more risk than the .3% chance of dying from it is. And that .3% is actually zero when you add in the REAL therapeutics that the media and ruling class don't want anyone using or knowing about.
Anyone can file into the VAERS system.

“CDC and FDA encourage anyone who experiences (or is made aware) of an adverse event after vaccination to report it to VAERS, even if they are not sure the vaccine caused the problem”

Doctors are required by law to submit entries for adverse reactions.

 
I agree 100%...I just don't want our side out there misrepresenting studies because it makes us less believable & more loony to the average person.

That study has been thrown around a ton lately, in a effort to show that you are more likely to die if you are vaccinated. The study shows the opposite of that. We have plenty of points to bring up on our side, without being misleading.
I can agree with that. At the very least if wanting to share that study for example, get out in front by making that point about the numbers but then can get to the meat of it all about the vaccinated are still absolutely dying and with the unknown of potential complications down the road it truly isn't worth it especially with monoclonal antibodies treatment out there. Etc etc.
 
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Why hide the truth from her? Seems like this could be a good time for communication especially if she is one that believes the MSM and has leftist views. Hopefully she remains healthy and Maybe next time she will think twice before falling to peer pressure or whatever caused her to get the shot unless she 60+

She’s an elementary school teacher and thought it was in the best interest of the kids that she get it. She trusts the local pharmacist and our Dr. also, maybe to a fault. She has health anxiety anyways so my best approach is to be supportive and see that she get the best care possible.

What’s done is done and there is nothing that can be done to change that. The decision was one that she made in good faith and I will never be the one to say “I told you so”. That’s not where I’m at, especially with my wife.
 
I have 2 electric cars - both Teslas. I don't have them to be green. I have them because they're fantastic, they're fun, and fuck the Middle East. I really don't understand why more people aren't getting on board strictly to take away from the Middle East and the oil reliance.
Honestly? I've always driven Tahoes except for that one time I switched to a Subaru (loved it, but wasn't big enough once those 4 Littles weren't that little. Seriously. Great car. And a hell of a lot of fun to drive.) Went back to a Tahoe. And then...jeep Cherokee (trailhawk .. because it rode rough like my Tahoe), Grand Cherokee (trailhawk again and for the same reason) and now a Wrangler that was customized for me so I would sell my GC back to the owner of the dealership for his niece.

I love that grind and power of the engine. It took me a bit to get used to not having an 8C. I still love when I get to drive my husband's Denali. (Ahem.... that would be on any trip he's with me. He refuses to go cross country in the jeep. Where as I will and do go in the jeep, usually topless.) That's just a me thing. And I won't apologize or make excuses.

My husband has already promised my wrangler to Max when he turns 18. (Max is also getting my dad's 50th anniversary Springer)And I've already picked out my next jacked up, cherry red, absolutely ridiculous, yet so adorable, 2 door jeep. And it's a stick.

Now, that said...I have a couple of friends who have Teslas. They are fun. And the little suv is all kinds of sexy. It's really beautiful and cool. But I just can't get past that golf cart whine. I love to drive. Like I REALLY love to drive. And I've driven all over this country minus 11 states (I'm getting to them). Not one time in the 34 years I've been legally driving (yes, I got my license at 14) have I even so much as used cruise control. I like being 100% in control. I'm just not there yet. But I don't judge any for what they drive and why. Be that necessity or preference.
 
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Honestly? I've always driven Tahoes except for that one time I switched to a Subaru (loved it, but wasn't big enough once those 4 Littles weren't that little. Seriously. Great car. And a hell of a lot of fun to drive.) Went back to a Tahoe. And then...jeep Cherokee (trailhawk .. because it rode rough like my Tahoe), Grand Cherokee (trailhawk again and for the same reason) and now a Wrangler that was customized for me so I would sell my GC back to the owner of the dealership for his niece.

I love that grind and power of the engine. It took me a bit to get used to not having an 8C. I still love when I get to drive my husband's Denali. (Ahem.... that would be on any trip he's with me. He refuses to go cross country in the jeep. Where as I will and do go in the jeep, usually topless.) That's just a me thing. And I won't apologize or make excuses.

My husband has already promised my wrangler to Max when he turns 18. And I've already picked out my next jacked up, cherry red, absolutely ridiculous, yet so adorable, 2 door jeep. And it's a stick.

Now, that said...I have a couple of friends who have Teslas. They are fun. And the little suv is all kinds of sexy. It's really beautiful and cool. But I just can't get past that golf cart whine. I love to drive. Like I REALLY love to drive. And I've driven all over this country minus 11 states (I'm getting to them). Not one time in the 34 years I've been legally driving (yes, I got my license at 14) have I even so much as used cruise control. I like being 100% in control. I'm just not there yet. But I don't judge any for what they drive and why. Be that necessity or preference.

So what you're saying, is that if I let you borrow my old diesel willy's with a 5 speed, you would be in control of my stick 100% of the time? Just trying to clarify this unrealistic scenario before going to bed.
 
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So what you're saying, is that if I let you borrow my old diesel willy's with a 5 speed, you would be in control of my stick 100% of the time? Just trying to clarify this unrealistic scenario before going to bed.
Yup.

I don't know which of us would be happier. 😁🤣 (me)


Being dead serious...Do NOT get rid of that Willy. My husband knows if he comes across one, he buys it (he's in the auto auction business). Not many coming across the blocks. As in none.
 
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Yup.

I don't know which of us would be happier. 😁🤣 (me)


Being dead serious...Do NOT get rid of that Willy. My husband knows if he comes across one, he buys it (he's in the auto auction business). Not many coming across the blocks. As in none.

Don't worry, nobody touches my Willy, except me and my ball-less boy Champ. I do have a replica of an early 50s cj3 willy I'd let you tear up. It is way more like the old ones than people would imagine and so fun to drive.
 

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