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Then where did it go? Flu cases at historic low.

I do not know. I am only telling you what did not happen. Flu cases were not just counted as covids last year. That is all I am saying. I am just as puzzled about where the flu went as everyone else. It did come back early this summer, oddly enough, and I have been seeing some positives again in the last week or so.

I am also puzzled about why so many people think that is what happened, even after someone who runs these tests for a living explained how that was impossible.
 
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That is the question that has me puzzled, but the answer is definitely not that positive flu tests were just counted as covids.

It was speculated in this thread that the flu is intentionally released every year, but was not last year. Who knows. Maybe covid out competed influenza. I'm sure social distancing & all that helped somewhat, but doesn't explain basically zero flu cases last year.
I still say the simplest answer is that covid tests were coming up positive when it was really flu.
 
No. Im in orthopedics. I've just been to med school and never heard anything remotely close to what you are insinuating.

If anything an indoctrination of 'follow blindly' would be instilled in residency not in med school.

Even then, physicians are the most skeptical people I know. Almost to the point of being rebellious malcontents. There's an old joke about 10 different doctors in a room and getting 10 different opinions...
I think the problem everyone has currently is how a large majority of healthcare workers seem to all be in lockstep on how to treat COVID which we all know is patently WRONG and actually contributing to the death of patients and their heavy pushing of the poison vax simply because that is what they are being told to do, and they are giving next to zero pushback. This entire situation has caused GREAT HARM to the trust in healthcare professionals from the public.
 




 
I think the problem everyone has currently is how a large majority of healthcare workers seem to all be in lockstep on how to treat COVID which we all know is patently WRONG and actually contributing to the death of patients and their heavy pushing of the poison vax simply because that is what they are being told to do, and they are giving next to zero pushback. This entire situation has caused GREAT HARM to the trust in healthcare professionals from the public.
The treatment they send people home with is ridiculous. Nothing new. Most “doctors” I’ve encountered have been hacks for quite a while now.
 
I still say the simplest answer is that covid tests were coming up positive when it was really flu.

I don't believe that is possible. If that were the case, those patients with false positive covid tests(you say positive because the patient had the flu) would have a positive flu test, assuming they were tested. Millions of patients were tested for the flu last winter and basically zero of those tests were positive.

I personally ran hundreds, if not thousands, of flu tests last flu season. Most of those had covid tests also. I did not see even one patient who had a positive flu test and a positive covid test. So if the flu was being counted as covid, explain that please. Explain the negative flu tests.
 
I think the problem everyone has currently is how a large majority of healthcare workers seem to all be in lockstep on how to treat COVID which we all know is patently WRONG and actually contributing to the death of patients and their heavy pushing of the poison vax simply because that is what they are being told to do, and they are giving next to zero pushback. This entire situation has caused GREAT HARM to the trust in healthcare professionals from the public.

I can agree here to a degree. I think like most things, there is a loud vocal minority on social media that drowns out any voice of skepticism in medical professionals which is what I alluded to earlier.

There is no question that medical leadership has taken a hit and it has to do with assholes that can't just state the obvious "We will treat whoever is in front of us" and have that be it.

There was no reason for the medical community to politicize themselves. Ideally, medicine should be above it. What's really scary is when I ask leftist docs about the slippery slope of "blame" that they seem to enjoy, when it comes to cigarettes and lung cancer or cardiac risk and fast food, they seem to double down on the blame game. These people shouldn't even be in health care, IMO.
 
I don't believe that is possible. If that were the case, those patients with false positive covid tests(you say positive because the patient had the flu) would have a positive flu test, assuming they were tested. Millions of patients were tested for the flu last winter and basically zero of those tests were positive.

I personally ran hundreds, if not thousands, of flu tests last flu season. Most of those had covid tests also. I did not see even one patient who had a positive flu test and a positive covid test. So if the flu was being counted as covid, explain that please. Explain the negative flu tests.
I don’t know. Aren’t there many strains of flu and couldn’t the tests be geared towards a strain they know wouldn’t be very active? It just doesn’t seem like the most likely scenario is that the flu disappeared.
 
That is the question that has me puzzled, but the answer is definitely not that positive flu tests were just counted as covids.

It was speculated in this thread that the flu is intentionally released every year, but was not last year. Who knows. Maybe covid out competed influenza. I'm sure social distancing & all that helped somewhat, but doesn't explain basically zero flu cases last year.
Do you know what was done with your test results after you delivered them? Do you have first hand knowledge of how your hospital published/used the results?
 
I don’t know. Aren’t there many strains of flu and couldn’t the tests be geared towards a strain they know wouldn’t be very active? It just doesn’t seem like the most likely scenario is that the flu disappeared.

I do not think the flu mutated to some strain that isn't picked up by our tests last winter, only to mutate back to something our tests can detect late last spring. The flu did seem to disappear last winter. The doctors I have talked with about it don't seem to know where it went. A few of them think masks and social distancing did it. I do not believe those things could cause the flu cases to go to essentially zero. Maybe a big drop, but not to zero.
 
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I have said for years. It’s not that doctors have bad intentions. They are taught in medical school using text books written by big pharma. So instead of curing you they throw a drug at a symptom. That drug then has side effects. So another drug is given for those side effects which also has side affects so another drug ………. And so forth. It’s a sick cycle carousel. Many of them blindly listen to the CDC or IHS and with reason. I’m not blaming any individuals. That said, they need to look up the facts on Remdesivir and Fauci murdering HIV patients with Bactrim (hope I got that med right). Any doc that does not give you a choice in your treatment should lose their license.

My best docs have been DO’s, then NPC’s, then MD’s, then PA’s, and frankly, there has been only two MD’s I’d ever recommend to anyone. The rest aren’t worth shit. Veterinarians have given better advice.
Totally agree on the use of DOs, especially as a primary care physician. I love my doc and have been seeing him 2x/year for 20 years. He always seeks to treat the problem, not the symptoms. The next step are supplements. The final step is prescription medication.

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I bet you kept your immunity primed by being around dad. A healthy immune system requires some consistent low level exposure to various viruses.
 
I have said for years. It’s not that doctors have bad intentions. They are taught in medical school using text books written by big pharma. So instead of curing you they throw a drug at a symptom. That drug then has side effects. So another drug is given for those side effects which also has side affects so another drug ………. And so forth. It’s a sick cycle carousel. Many of them blindly listen to the CDC or IHS and with reason. I’m not blaming any individuals. That said, they need to look up the facts on Remdesivir and Fauci murdering HIV patients with Bactrim (hope I got that med right). Any doc that does not give you a choice in your treatment should lose their license.

My best docs have been DO’s, then NPC’s, then MD’s, then PA’s, and frankly, there has been only two MD’s I’d ever recommend to anyone. The rest aren’t worth shit. Veterinarians have given better advice.
Yep. They don't have time to stay up to date on the literature. They just do what their salesmen tell them and what their CEO MBAs impose. Or, in the VA's case, what comes from DC and the alphabet agencies.

I can see it in their faces when I question what they are saying or try to prescribe. It's gotten to the point they don't ask anymore about vaccinations, including Wuhan. I know my body much better than someone who sees me 30-60 minutes every 6 months or so. What pisses me off is them wanting me to describe my allergic reactions to drugs and substances identified in several allergy tests I've had in my life.
 
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Kash Patel Sunday: Durham And More​

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It’s kind of a big Sunday for news—if you count talk as news. I do.
Kashyap Pramod “Kash” Patel appeared with Maria Bartiromo this morning, and it was pretty much one bombshell after another from beginning to end of the 5:30 interview. Just a reminder of who Patel is.

Patel started out his legal career as a federal public defender, then flipped to the prosecutive side in the DoJ National Security Division (NSD). At the same time he was liaison to the Joint Special Operations Command. During that time he was “embedded with a special mission unit at a "secure facility" and received a commendation from the CIA.” In 2017 he became Devin Nunes’ lead investigator as senior counsel for the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), investigating the Russia Hoax. From there he moved to the National Security Council and wound up as Chief of Staff to acting SecDef Chris Miller.

Bottom line: Patel knows NS law inside and out from multiple points of view. He has perspectives that few others have and, most importantly for our purposes, he knows the Russia Hoax inside and out.

So.
Below is a transcript of Patel’s statements to Maria Bartiromo this morning. I’ve paraphrased Maria’s questions, but this is as exact a transcript as I can manage of what Patel had to say about the Russia Hoax and where Durham is headed. I’ll add some of my own remarks, but let’s start with Patel:

In a sense this isn’t big news, because we saw the shape of this in Durham’s indictment of Michael Sussmann. In particular the references in the indictment to Fusion GPS (“investigative firm”) and Perkins Coie left no doubt that Durham saw Fusion GPS as key to the actual implementation of the Russia Hoax conspiracy. However, Patel says two things openly that are of bombshell quality.

First, while we knew that the money for the Fusion GPS operation was laundered through Perkins Coie, Patel openly states that the amounts ran to “tens of millions of dollars”. That’s real money in US political campaigns, even in these days. It’s also real money in the world of major law firms, so you can see why Durham has been so focused on Perkins Coie as well as why Perkins Coie is experiencing real difficulty in persuading Durham that they didn’t know what was going on—remember, this money laundering op was almost certainly a violation of campaign finance laws. Who believes nobody at a major law firm noticed the flow of that amount of money through their accounts? Not me and, it seems, not Durham. If Perkins Coie wants to somehow get through this without indictments they’ll need to be very cooperative with Durham.

Fusion GPS, of course, is no more than an organizational euphemism for Glenn Simpson and, most likely, Nellie Ohr. Nellie has, quite likely, been cooperating with regard to Simpson. Simpson, in his turn, will have a lot to offer Durham with regard to the Clinton legal operatives—Sussmann and Elias. Both. This is another reason why I want to wait before jumping to any conclusions about Sussmann cooperating against Elias. Both of these guys are very major players, and Durham won’t be over quick to offer them deals unless he has to.

Second, I was gratified to see Patel confirm my assessment, which I offered quite recently. I stated that, while Page and Strzok may have been big fish within the FBI, in the big scheme of this conspiracy they weren’t truly major players. At the FBI the major players—people who controlled the switches—were: Comey (Director), McCabe (Deputy Director), and James Baker (General Counsel). We’re pretty certain that Baker is cooperating. I doubt that Durham has even sought cooperation from Comey and McCabe. I think they’re major targets—they either go down or they get away with what they did, but their responsibility was too great for them to get a plea deal. Page and Strzok may be able to get some sort of a deal, but in my view they’ll also have to pay a price.

Now, extrapolating a bit from what Patel said …

Regarding the FBI cooperators, both Page and Strzok connect the FBI and DoJ’s NSD at the top levels—and Strzok in particular may have valuable connections to CIA. Clinesmith, Pientka, and Barnett connect in similar ways, as well as to Team Mueller—primarily on an operational level but … you never know what people in those positions may pick up.

There’s another player at the FBI who has probably been cooperating, and that’s Strzok’s boss—and a direct subordinate to McCabe: Bill Priestap. I still believe that Priestap was over his head and wasn’t trusted by the inner circle at the top of the FBI—not with the real nature of the Russia Hoax. However, because of his position he had to be included to some extent and, especially given his note taking propensities, has valuable information to offer Durham. We’ve already seen that in the Sussmann indictment, and previously in the Flynn case.

All that said, don’t forget about the DoJ angle. The FBI didn’t get the FISA done all on its own—they definitely needed some cooperation from DoJ’s NSD and from Sally Yates. My assumption is that Bruce Ohr has been cooperating for lo! these many months. Bruce Ohr is a pivotal figure because he connects DoJ, Fusion GPS—and quite possibly Clinton legal operatives (Sussmann and Elias)—and the FBI. He met with McCabe, Page, and Strzok and was a go between for them to Simpson and Steele at Fusion (as well as his own wife, Nellie). He would have had contacts with Sally Yates and David Laufman at DoJ in an official capacity. Beyond that, in an unofficial and totally improper way, he hooked up Andrew Weissmann and Zainab Ahmad with the FBI’s Strzok, Page—and also, crucially, with Chris Steele. That connection to Weissmann and Ahmad may offer a second and crucially important point of entry to Team Mueller, in addition to the point of entry offered by the FBI cooperators.

All in all, lots of grist for the speculative mill.

Finally, I urge everyone to listen to the full five and a half minute interview linked above. Patel has excellent, trenchant observations to offer on 1) Milley’s political shenanigans, 2) Zhou’s proposal to give dishonorable discharges to Special Forces who refuse the vax (but not Afghan “refugees”), Austin’s pathetic attempt to blame DoS for the Afghan debacle.
That was a fun interview, wasn’t it? 😎
 
So why did flu cases go from what 30M to what 1,800?

Maybe the flu is something that is created and released every year. I mean does there have to be a flu season? I know that’s been drilled in our head for a long time, well it’s flu season. Maybe it’s just money making time for big pharma and one of their many ways to control the population. Or maybe there really is an annual flu season. Who knows. Strange how there was no flu though.
 
I have mentioned several times that there isn't one analyzer that is running all those tests on one swab. Most places if you come in with vague flu or covid-like symptoms, they are going to swab you once for flu, another time for covid, and if you are young, a third time for RSV. Those 3 swabs are being run seperately. At our hospital, covid is run on one analyzer with one methodology. The flu and RSV are run on a different analyzer with different methodologies. The whole "flu is just being counted as covid" is patently false. Period.
Lurker here but I'm gonna have to call you out. Don't know where you are but at the largest SC hospital, we run the Quad test - 1 swab that test for RSV, FLU A, FLU B, and covid. They're popping for covid and RSV. But no FLU which is similar to your findings. I've questioned those findings for the past year as old FLU tests just went unused. They can also run an RVP but as you know that takes time. The inefficiency of swabbing separately would bury most busy clinics so not sure how yall pull that off.
 
Lurker here but I'm gonna have to call you out. Don't know where you are but at the largest SC hospital, we run the Quad test - 1 swab that test for RSV, FLU A, FLU B, and covid. They're popping for covid and RSV. But no FLU which is similar to your findings. I've questioned those findings for the past year as old FLU tests just went unused. They can also run an RVP but as you know that takes time. The inefficiency of swabbing separately would bury most busy clinics so not sure how yall pull that off.
The flu called in for the next couple of years. Sick with Covid is the word on the street. haha, SKOL!
 
I bet you kept your immunity primed by being around dad. A healthy immune system requires some consistent low level exposure to various viruses.
That's why I have a robust immune system and haven't had but one respiratory issue since 1985 except for Wuhan in Jan 2020. I go into many people's homes all the time. I'm exposed to all sorts of stuff. Not uncommon for people to let me inside and 1/2 way through the house they say, "Oh, I have the flu or whatever." I've heard the same from other servicemen (plumbers, electricians, a/c people, etc.).
 
I do not know. I am only telling you what did not happen. Flu cases were not just counted as covids last year. That is all I am saying. I am just as puzzled about where the flu went as everyone else. It did come back early this summer, oddly enough, and I have been seeing some positives again in the last week or so.

I am also puzzled about why so many people think that is what happened, even after someone who runs these tests for a living explained how that was impossible.
You can only speak anecdotally.
 
Lurker here but I'm gonna have to call you out. Don't know where you are but at the largest SC hospital, we run the Quad test - 1 swab that test for RSV, FLU A, FLU B, and covid. They're popping for covid and RSV. But no FLU which is similar to your findings. I've questioned those findings for the past year as old FLU tests just went unused. They can also run an RVP but as you know that takes time. The inefficiency of swabbing separately would bury most busy clinics so not sure how yall pull that off.

Well, that is how we do it. Only takes an extra few seconds to swab twice vs once, but I agree it isn't efficient. That is how the entire McLeod Health system does it though, and I know people in other hospital systems that do the same.

Obviously every hospital is not using the same tests but many are. There aren't that many options, really. Regardless, sounds like you are seeing the same thing with a different test, which seems to back up that people with the flu last winter were not just being counted as positive covids.
 

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