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When the hell do I get my T-shirt. I’ve been with y’all for a year now
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You have to be VERY careful when looking at numbers in VAERS. They are very raw numbers, by design. Anyone can post a report for the system too. There may be some trends that stick out in this data, but you can't just believe that all of the reports are true, or that there really is a causation.
I get what you’re saying but I call bull fucking shit on the people who say you can’t trust ANYTHING in the vaers data. Is it possible/likely that some fraudulent data made it in? Of course, but to suggest the WHOLE system should be discounted because of that is bullshit. Maybe a few % of the data is fake. Even if 10% of the reports are fake, this is a seriously dangerous vaccine. Makes me think the people who say that vaers can’t be trusted at all or there is no causation are simply trying to cover up the truth of these side effects.
 
I get what you’re saying but I call bull fucking shit on the people who say you can’t trust ANYTHING in the vaers data. Is it possible/likely that some fraudulent data made it in? Of course, but to suggest the WHOLE system should be discounted because of that is bullshit. Maybe a few % of the data is fake. Even if 10% of the reports are fake, this is a seriously dangerous vaccine. Makes me think the people who say that vaers can’t be trusted at all or there is no causation are simply trying to cover up the truth of these side effects.
Of course there are some bogus claims but I a fraction of what is being reported. I have heard that real side effect instances reported are anywhere from 1% to 10% of the actual number. Think about that when looking at 15,000 deaths. Also consider we stopped the 1976 swine flu vaccine after only 53 deaths. Since that time the cabal has taken over and no amount of death is too much for these money grubbing murderers? SKOL!
 
I get what you’re saying but I call bull fucking shit on the people who say you can’t trust ANYTHING in the vaers data. Is it possible/likely that some fraudulent data made it in? Of course, but to suggest the WHOLE system should be discounted because of that is bullshit. Maybe a few % of the data is fake. Even if 10% of the reports are fake, this is a seriously dangerous vaccine. Makes me think the people who say that vaers can’t be trusted at all or there is no causation are simply trying to cover up the truth of these side effects.
I'm not saying that you can't trust anything in VAERS, more that the data is very raw and needs more context. Of course, some of the entries are completely bogus, but I believe the vast majority are legit entries in the system. Even if they are legit, there are still problems when looking at the data.

One problem is causation. For example, someone dies after getting the vaccine. Is it caused by the vaccine? Possibly. It's a certainty that some of the deaths could be directly caused by the vaccine, and it is also a certainty that there are a number of deaths that have nothing to do with the vaccine. The same is true for any number of adverse events. "Correlation does not imply causation."

Another problem is scale, or relative measure. Lets say that there are 10,000 heart attacks that are reported after getting the vaccine. Does that tell us anything? No, it doesn't by itself. We need to ask how many heart attacks are to be expected from a population equal to the number of people getting the vaccine. If that number is 5,000, then there might be some association between the vaccine and heart attacks. But if the number is 12,000, then it should be obvious that the vaccine is not associated with heart attacks. The problem is that only the original 10k heart attacks are publicized.

The same kind of crap happened with Covid. Remember the Kawasaki Disease bullshit? Same deal. The fear porn media started talking about all of these Covid positive children with Kawasaki Disease. Turns out that the incidence of the disease was roughly inline with the number to be expected. IIRC, the total number of Kawasaki Disease cases at the time was less than it was at the same time in 2019.
 
You have to be VERY careful when looking at numbers in VAERS. They are very raw numbers, by design. Anyone can post a report for the system too. There may be some trends that stick out in this data, but you can't just believe that all of the reports are true, or that there really is a causation.
Can’t recall the source but approximately 80% are doctor submitted. Studies say they are underreported. They’ve also gone through a lot of cases and removed some. These correlate somewhat to trends elsewhere. https://johnplatinumgoss.com/covid-19-vaccination-statistics/
 
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