• Pat Flood (@rebarcock) passed away 9/21/25. Pat played a huge role in encouraging the devolopmemt of this site and donated the very first dollar to get it started. Check the thread at the top of the board for the obituary and please feel free to pay your respects there. I am going to get all the content from that thread over to his family so they can see how many people really cared for Pat outside of what they ever knew. Pat loved to tell stories and always wanted everyone else to tell stories. I think a great way we can honor Pat is to tell a story in his thread (also pinned at the top of the board).

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tgsio said:
Honestly? I've always driven Tahoes except for that one time I switched to a Subaru (loved it, but wasn't big enough once those 4 Littles weren't that little. Seriously. Great car. And a hell of a lot of fun to drive.) Went back to a Tahoe. And then...jeep Cherokee (trailhawk .. because it rode rough like my Tahoe), Grand Cherokee (trailhawk again and for the same reason) and now a Wrangler that was customized for me so I would sell my GC back to the owner of the dealership for his niece.

I love that grind and power of the engine. It took me a bit to get used to not having an 8C. I still love when I get to drive my husband's Denali. (Ahem.... that would be on any trip he's with me. He refuses to go cross country in the jeep. Where as I will and do go in the jeep, usually topless.) That's just a me thing. And I won't apologize or make excuses.

My husband has already promised my wrangler to Max when he turns 18. (Max is also getting my dad's 50th anniversary Springer)And I've already picked out my next jacked up, cherry red, absolutely ridiculous, yet so adorable, 2 door jeep. And it's a stick.

Now, that said...I have a couple of friends who have Teslas. They are fun. And the little suv is all kinds of sexy. It's really beautiful and cool. But I just can't get past that golf cart whine. I love to drive. Like I REALLY love to drive. And I've driven all over this country minus 11 states (I'm getting to them). Not one time in the 34 years I've been legally driving (yes, I got my license at 14) have I even so much as used cruise control. I like being 100% in control. I'm just not there yet. But I don't judge any for what they drive and why. Be that necessity or preference.
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I drove all day at the BMW Performance Center driving well over a million dollars worth of M series BMWs. Fun day, but couldn't wait to get back in my Tesla. I couldn't care less about the sound, and my Tesla would smoke everything I drove today.
 
denn said:
I agree. I would like to add something ese to that; the mfg's are not liable for anything adverse that happens with this shot. Once that happens then I think it would be more reasonable t consider getting the shot. It won't happen for me one second before that happens though.
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Isn't that the case for every vaccine maker? No liability for any of them...not just a covid thing. That won't change and has been that way for decades.
 
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They murder innocent children in Oklahoma to destroy Clinton files.. Oh and Brandon had already drafted the patriot act taking our liberties away before the bombing..
They murder innocent patriots in the Pentagon to destroy the files showing millions of taxpayer funds were missing.. not really missing just used for purposes no one wants to talk about.
They now need to destroy servers and ballot information.. covid emails.. bribes, like 65 million to Australia Pm for locking down. Sure has been an increase in plane crashes. Setting the narrative.
 
Cincinattus91 said:
When you think bear market?

I know many people say DEC-JAN but there may be a more compelling theory of an extended cycle that runs till summer or fall
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I Agree I Think Cycle Extends Because So Many More People and Now Institutions Are In Crypto

Look For Bear Market and Start Exiting Positions When You See The Alts Go Parabolic With Blow-Off Top Activity
 
MortgageHorn said:
I Agree I Think Cycle Extends Because So Many More People and Now Institutions Are In Crypto

Look For Bear Market and Start Exiting Positions When You See The Alts Go Parabolic With Blow-Off Top Activity
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What’s a good trusted site to buy hbar?
Was looking to throw a little that way and didn’t realize I couldn’t buy through my coinbase account until today.
 
Long Cat V2.0 said:
Lithium fires can burn for days and in general fire departments can’t do anything with them other than try to keep other stuff from catching on fire.

The big problem is the batteries. I’m very curious to see what happens as the cars age past useful battery life. We are getting close to the first big wave of electric car batteries aging out. I’m curious to see what happens to the cars as the batteries get old. Does battery performance degrade over time? Does a full charge=100 miles turn into a full charge=50 miles? Can you get a replacement battery? What happens to all the lithium? Is it recycled and how much does that cost? Are we going to deal with it at all in this country? My guess is we ship it off to some other third world country to get buried or something like that.

Same as old solar panels, somebody is going to get rich of off recycling old green product waste.
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PowerMEGA said:
All of this is true, especially in the US. I agree that it all raises many suspicions about the government and medical community. For me, the most damning thing is the intentional exclusion of prior infection in the discussion. Other countries do not do this.
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I believe they want to find out who is noncompliant. If you had Covid then lined up right away to get the jab, I’m guessing you are a big Biden dick sucker. The names of those that wait the longest, put up the biggest fight, outright refuse, will be stored somewhere for later use.
 
Phillip McKraken said:
I believe they want to find out who is noncompliant. If you had Covid then lined up right away to get the jab, I’m guessing you are a big Biden dick sucker. The names of those that wait the longest, put up the biggest fight, outright refuse, will be stored somewhere for later use.
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It is also negotiating 101. They want vaccine passports, or whatever. Millions of people oppose these. So they start out saying everyone gets vaccinated, no matter what, in order to live your normal life. Everyone bitches about natural immunity not counting, so eventually they give in and allow that to cover you instead of the vaccine. Most people would probably give in at this point, but the government will have gotten what it wanted all along...citizens needing the government's permission just to live their lives. Always about more control.
 
PowerMEGA said:
I agree with the other overwhelming evidence you mention here too. I think all those things are true too. I just also recognize that there is a ton of data from all around the world that show that the vaccines do lower the risk of severe disease and death compared to unvaccinated people.

You also make many incorrect assumptions about me. I'm sure my sentiments against vaccine mandates are at least as strong as yours. My own sister suffered a severe reaction to the vaccine that will get reported to VAERS by her PCP (who also ordered her to never get a booster). I believe natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity, which is why I am unvaccinated. You know what they say about people who make assumptions about others...

If you're unwilling to objectively examine the data because anything that doesn't comport with your existing biases are just "likes, damned lies", you leave yourself vulnerable to manipulation and ignorance. This entire forum is built on the hopes that people here do not do this.
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For my parents? Yep. I fully supported and pushed them to get the vax. They are both 70, Mom has lupus and rheumatoid arthritis with a couple of not so fun other health issues. Dad is crazy healthy, but still 70.

My mother in law is 78 with multiple health issues. We were all over her to get vaxxed.

Y'all saw my parental covid drama posts. And I am so thankful they both are fine (mom had no symptoms. Dad was symptom free 4 days after I told mom to take him her hcq, Vc, Vd and Zinc).

My daughters? One I absolutely supported getting vaxxed. Her boyfriend is very high risk (diabetes. Diagnosed at 5 months old) and she travels, A LOT, for work. The other 2...I was less than thrilled, but they're adults and made their choice after lots of discussion. So y'all know my second daughter's issues. My 3rd daughter got the first shot, got covid a few days later, and has been told by her doctor she will not be getting the second shot. My husband got the vax. Max and I will not.

NONE of them are willing to get a booster.

Mass, forced vaccination with no assessment of risk either way is bullshit.
 
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PowerMEGA said:
I think you have a mostly fair take on this even if I'll disagree with our definitions. It is true that these Covid vaccines do not behave like other vaccines (polio, measles, etc).

One thing to know is that I don't think we'll ever see an injected vaccine for a respiratory virus that behaves the way you describe because the immunity they induce is found in the bloodstream and not at the point of infection (upper respiratory tract). The next generation of Covid vaccines will likely be intranasal sprays, which would likely have more of an "effectiveness" that you describe, but the respiratory viruses mutate a lot more too. Polio, measles, etc, do not mutate like coronaviruses and influenza viruses.

It was never my understanding that these Covid vaccines will *prevent* infection. Whenever I heard someone say that, I knew they didn't know what they were talking about. No vaccine, or natural immunity for that matter, can prevent infection. The correct question is: WHEN an infection occurs, what happens? In the case of a vaccinated person, the answer is: not much until the infection reaches the lower respiratory tract, where the blood barrier is. At that point, the immunity that these vaccines provide can finally be brought to bear against the infection. This is why a vaccinated person can get infected and spread the virus almost as much as an unvaccinated person.

This is also a reason why natural immunity is superior to vaccine immunity. People with natural immunity have mucosal antibodies in their upper respiratory tract in addition to the antibodies in the bloodstream. Vaccine immunity really only exists in the bloodstream.

In short, your comparison between the Covid vaccines and other vaccines is not quite an apples/apples comparison.
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A little late to the party, but what you posted above (in bold) is one of the most insidious lies being spread by pro-vaxxers.

The COVID vaccines were unquestionably designed to prevent infection as made clear in the clinical trial design. The PRIMARY endpoint effectiveness measure, the one that would decide whether or not the vaccine would pass the trials, was prevention of infection. The vaccines needed to have > 50% effectiveness as compared to the control or it would fail. The protection against severe disease was merely a secondary measure and to my recollection there was no target that the vaccine needed to meet. The “95% effective” number used to justify the ELA was against infection.

This bullshit shifting of the goal posts to only talking about “effectiveness” in the context of hospitalizations and deaths only happened after it became clear that breakthrough cases were skyrocketing.

If the clinical trial had actually continued as designed (2 years) rather than Pfizer unblinding after only 6 months (ending the trial), the vaccine would not meet that 50% threshold given how utterly ineffective (per the actual measure of preventing infections) it is against Delta. Almost every study you see talking about effectiveness only includes data though early June, and the few that go longer are usually early August. Delta did not really start taking off until late June/July. Given that we know from Pfizer’s own data that the effectiveness even against the original strains starts dropping like a rock after about 4 months, within a couple of months all the data will start showing effectiveness well below 50% (the Israel study through early August already showed ~43%).

That is why boosters are so important to the narrative. Anyone that got the shot > 6 months or so essentially has no better protection against infection than being unvaccinated (especially if there was prior infection).

Here’s the kicker, the clinical trial said nothing about boosters. They are not considered as part of the overall effectiveness of the vaccine as far as the trial is concerned. By its own standards, the FDA should revoke the BLA. This will never happen of course, but anyone pretending the vaccine I supported by the science clearly has no idea what they’re talking about.
 

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