Are we not talking about the condo/building collapse in Florida?

[RJ2kWJ]

Up to 109 missing/unaccounted for. This article says 99 but other sources say different.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/live-updates-miami-area-apartment-building-partially-collapses

 

[Dinkis14]

Drug money doesn’t build what is use to…

 

[Boom82]

I saw the video earlier. I thought it was a planned demolition? What the hell happened?

 

[imprimis]

Maybe shitty Chinese concrete? Remember, Obama closed many US concrete manufacturers for environmental reasons and said that could be made up from China. Of course, the Chinese have pollution problems which they get a pass on.

 

[RJ2kWJ]

I saw the video earlier. I thought it was a planned demolition? What the hell happened?

Simply collapsed unless others think otherwise. Wasn’t a planned demolition at all.

 

[Luciano]

Strange to think how many hurricanes that building has gone through just to check out in the middle of some random night.

 

[TheNJNole]

Bet ya there was some illegal construction or even worse, a detonation device

 

[skramer100]

It’s crazy. Trauma cases coming in nuts. No reason why a building on Collins collapsed.

 

[tgsio]

 

[BigBucnNole]

Sink hole.

 

[BigBucnNole]

It’s crazy. Trauma cases coming in nuts. No reason why a building on Collins collapsed.

Global warming. The ice caps are freezing and sucking water out of the lime stone making it brittle. Science.

 

[absoluteUnit]

Global warming. The ice caps are freezing and sucking water out of the lime stone making it brittle. Science.

I new it

 

[Cards1968]

Maybe shitty Chinese concrete? Remember, Obama closed many US concrete manufacturers for environmental reasons and said that could be made up from China. Of course, the Chinese have pollution problems which they get a pass on.

And here I thought he was just smokin doobage in the '80s.

 

[Cre8ive]

Garbage in. Garbage out. Pay off a few city officials. Cut a few corners. Put an extra few hundred thousands in the kitty and 20 years later the fucker falls down. I predict that when this investigation is over it will all be to the above. You know how i know? Because it is the only fucking building in America that has fallen down on its own, that's how.

 

[Zgdaf]

Garbage in. Garbage out. Pay off a few city officials. Cut a few corners. Put an extra few hundred thousands in the kitty and 20 years later the fucker falls down. I predict that when this investigation is over it will all be to the above. You know how i know? Because it is the only fucking building in America that has fallen down on its own, that's how.

Ironic part of this is the people who died paid condo fees which was used to seal their own fate..

 

[Jayhacker]

Garbage in. Garbage out. Pay off a few city officials. Cut a few corners. Put an extra few hundred thousands in the kitty and 20 years later the fucker falls down. I predict that when this investigation is over it will all be to the above. You know how i know? Because it is the only fucking building in America that has fallen down on its own, that's how.

American greed

 

[Detective John Kimble]

I posted my theory in the Fraggle Rock thread, but it really belongs here:

I think the condo collapse is related to corrosion. No proof, but my gut tells me. No sinkholes in Miami (not a recharge area). I doubt it’s from settlement. Not a lot of clay in this area of florida and any settlement from sand would have occurred soon after construction in 1981. Clay is where you get most long term settlement. What decays after 40 years? Steel exposed to chlorides can and this thing sat right next to the Atlantic Ocean. Perhaps the rebar was not designed with thick enough sacrificial steel.

Now I’m also hearing there was work being done on the roof. However, unless they dropped a crane on that roof, I doubt some small equipment should have led to any collapse.

 

[RJ2kWJ]

Garbage in. Garbage out. Pay off a few city officials. Cut a few corners. Put an extra few hundred thousands in the kitty and 20 years later the fucker falls down. I predict that when this investigation is over it will all be to the above. You know how i know? Because it is the only fucking building in America that has fallen down on its own, that's how.

I have a weird gut feeling that this will not end up pretty for anyone. One of those situations when nobody wins.

 

[Jayhacker]

I have a weird gut feeling that this will not end up pretty for anyone. One of those situations when nobody wins.

Except the attorneys.

 

[ChicagoFats]

I posted my theory in the Fraggle Rock thread, but it really belongs here:

I think the condo collapse is related to corrosion. No proof, but my gut tells me. No sinkholes in Miami (not a recharge area). I doubt it’s from settlement. Not a lot of clay in this area of florida and any settlement from sand would have occurred soon after construction in 1981. Clay is where you get most long term settlement. What decays after 40 years? Steel exposed to chlorides can and this thing sat right next to the Atlantic Ocean. Perhaps the rebar was not designed with thick enough sacrificial steel.

Now I’m also hearing there was work being done on the roof. However, unless they dropped a crane on that roof, I doubt some small equipment should have led to any collapse.

Hard to believe equipment on the roof was the cause. Doesn’t pass the common sense test.

most likely explanation has to be sinkhole.

 

[TopHook]

It's another vegas. These things are getting too easy to spot.

 

[Detective John Kimble]

Hard to believe equipment on the roof was the cause. Doesn’t pass the common sense test.

most likely explanation has to be sinkhole.

No sinkholes on the coast and especially not in South Florida. When I say sinkhole, I’m not referring to an artificial “sinkhole” like an underground pipe that had sand ravel into it.

Most of Florida’s sinkholes occur in the central ridge.

 

[ChicagoFats]

No sinkholes on the coast and especially not in South Florida. When I say sinkhole, I’m not referring to an artificial “sinkhole” like an underground pipe that had sand ravel into it.

Most of Florida’s sinkholes occur in the central ridge.

What else could it have been?

 

[Detective John Kimble]

What else could it have been?

As stated above, my guess is corrosion. I could be wrong. But I highly doubt it was a natural sinkhole as those are unheard of on the coast. I don’t think it is related to the foundation. I think it was part of the structure. Based on the video of the collapse, I would guess somewhere low to the ground on the supporting column. A weakened column with corroded rebar could be a cause.

 

[mrt]

Well, they can't hang this one on Tim, no pun intended of course.

 

[tgsio]

Ironic part of this is the people who died paid condo fees which was used to seal their own fate..

From what I understand, the condo owners had sued at some point recently over this issue (cracks in the walls) and the leaky pool.

This is going be really ugly.

May God protect and bless these people and their loved ones.

 

[GarnetPild]

As stated above, my guess is corrosion. I could be wrong. But I highly doubt it was a natural sinkhole as those are unheard of on the coast. I don’t think it is related to the foundation. I think it was part of the structure. Based on the video of the collapse, I would guess somewhere low to the ground on the supporting column. A weakened column with corroded rebar could be a cause.

Salt water is a BITCH.

 

[America 1st]

What was Roger Stone doing in that building?

 

[Detective John Kimble]

This updated article has a lot of theories. One is so stupid that they blame it on global warming. Another thinks it’s from sinking because it was built on wetlands. In theory, this building should be on deep pile foundations that go straight into the limestone bedrock. Someone else points out sinkholes. There are no sinkholes on the coast. In the fraggle rock thread, someone pointed out a deep limestone collapse where the pile foundation was. I guess that’s possible but unlikely. Im still going with corrosion. See this one guy’s opinion matcheds mine in the screenshot.

Report revealed a year ago that 12-story condo was SINKING and at risk

A report last year revealed that the 12-story condo building that killed one person and left 99 missing when it collapsed on Thursday was sinking and at risk before the horrific event.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[skramer100]

That dude gonna be dead soon. Really looks like intentional implosion.

 

[120north]

Watching the video, it appears to be concrete failure in the structure itself. Foundations typically don’t have catastrophic failure. Say there was a limestone cavern that collapsed deep, a portion of the foundation settles, load flows through the structure to redistribute the load elsewhere other foundation elements. You would see the structure sagging over the failed element. I guess there could be a cavern large enough to have a big void open up below, but not typically in Miami. Tampa maybe

I agree with Kimble. This is likely related to corrosion in one of the structural elements or maybe even a latent defect. Corrosion weakens the reinforcing over time, eventually you lose capacity to support the load. You lose a lower level transfer beam, or the support condition of one of the columns changed (I.e. failure of a beam that provides lateral support to the column) and you get an overloaded column and it explodes and everything follows.

Feels bad though for the families involved.

 

[ChicagoFats]

Just awful.

Reminds me a little bit of that high rise Millennium Tower in downtown SF. It is sinking and there are lawsuits etc. I don't think I would live in that building, especially after seeing this building in Miami go down.

Settlement reached over San Francisco's notorious sinking luxury tower

Deal marks end of legal battle between homeowners, 58-storey structure’s developer and neighboring construction project

www.theguardian.com

 

[imprimis]

This updated article has a lot of theories. One is so stupid that they blame it on global warming. Another thinks it’s from sinking because it was built on wetlands. In theory, this building should be on deep pile foundations that go straight into the limestone bedrock. Someone else points out sinkholes. There are no sinkholes on the coast. In the fraggle rock thread, someone pointed out a deep limestone collapse where the pile foundation was. I guess that’s possible but unlikely. Im still going with corrosion. See this one guy’s opinion matcheds mine in the screenshot.

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Report revealed a year ago that 12-story condo was SINKING and at risk

A report last year revealed that the 12-story condo building that killed one person and left 99 missing when it collapsed on Thursday was sinking and at risk before the horrific event.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Likely didn't put anti-rust coatings on the rebar.

 

[GarnetPild]

Likely didn't put anti-rust coatings on the rebar.

@Rebarcock. ...you surely are the rebar expert on here. Thoughts?

 

[Detective John Kimble]

Likely didn't put anti-rust coatings on the rebar.

I’m starting to hear those coatings may do more harm than good. It is a plastic they use. However, that plastic often cracks or tears during construction and then water not only seeps into it, it gets stuck in there and pools making the corrosion worse. The best thing to use is probably stainless steel rebar.

 

[Detective John Kimble]

@Rebarcock. ...you surely are the rebar expert on here. Thoughts?

Not only is he a rebar expert…

 

[BLatta12]

This is crazy

 

[ChicagoFats]

@Rebarcock. we are going to need some rebar commentary in here. What are the different types, what kind of shit went into this building back in 1980?

 

[Rebarcock.]

@Rebarcock. we are going to need some rebar commentary in here. What are the different types, what kind of shit went into this building back in 1980?

It is highly likely the rebar degraded since 1981. A building that size would today use #9 or #10 bars with are over an 1in thick. Back then id guess they'd use a 4 or 5 bar which is 1/2 and 5/8 thick. Being in close proximity to the ocean and caustic salt air could certainly inhibit the structural integrity of steel/rebar in that amount of time.

However i tend to agree that a deep limestone deposit shifted or fell. Being a conspiracy dude I could see this being manufactured by the cabal to change the news cycle. There is plenty of evidence that the building was sinking in the 90s.

In 1981 the economy was just beginning to comeback under Reagan. The steel used was likely made by Florida steel (now Gerduea) the materials would have been first class US steel. While possible I don't think rebar failure is highly likely. There would have been cracking and deformations well before a catastrophic collapse as we see it today.
Jmho

 

[Rebarcock.]

Likely didn't put anti-rust coatings on the rebar.

In myrtle Beach Charleston and Wilmington it is unusual to use galvanized rebar in any commercial projects. Galv, stainless steel or other anti corrosion rebar is generally used for highway,hospital,nuclear or dam situations