71% of Dims supposedly think

[America 1st]

 

[Viking]

It is a mental disorder, it is known. haha SKOL brother!

 

[MVTPatriot]

Of course they do.

 

[America 1st]

It is a mental disorder, it is known. haha SKOL brother!

Serious economic collapse is coming if even 1/10 of that is true.

 

[Cre8ive]

I have to say that number seems very high to me. I know there are a lot of democratic jerks but I have a hard time believing 71% are idiots. What's your take? You believe that number?

 

[Taggart]

71% are idiots.

 

[AmericanViking]

No way it’s that high. At least. I hope not. Because if so democrats be like

 

[America 1st]

I have to say that number seems very high to me. I know there are a lot of democratic jerks but I have a hard time believing 71% are idiots. What's your take? You believe that number?

Seems to have some legs with the jobs numbers we are seeing.

It's not like there is a shortage of jobs openings out there. It's just folks won't fill them. The pandemic made it pretty clear the laborers, both skilled and unskilled, are MASSIVELY undervalued.

Here in Ohio places can't hire at 13$. 15$ isn't cutting it for most places either. Probably going to need to go to around 18-20$/ hr for unskilled labor and scale up proportionately on the skilled labor as well and we're a low cost of living area.

 

[Cre8ive]

And the real story here is that now we don't know what THE REAL STORY is anymore. I actually DO NOT TRUST anything so called news from any outlet at this point, and includes FOX. I give the most credence to the PatriotPost.com

 

[Cre8ive]

Seems to have some legs with the jobs numbers we are seeing.

It's not like there is a shortage of jobs openings out there. It's just folks won't fill them. The pandemic made it pretty clear the laborers, both skilled and unskilled, are MASSIVELY undervalued.

Here in Ohio places can't hire at 13$. 15$ isn't cutting it for most places either. Probably going to need to go to around 18-20$/ hr for unskilled labor and scale up proportionately on the skilled labor as well and we're a low cost of living area.

The dems have shot a nuclear topped into the bow of the Good Ship American Economy. We're taking on water faster than we can bail it out!

 

[America 1st]

The dems have shot a nuclear topped into the bow of the Good Ship American Economy. We're taking on water faster than we can bail it out!

Yes.

Labor will never be the same. People will just refuse to do it and that's not counting that we were already short bodies in the skilled, unskilled, and 4 year categories.

 

[Long Cat V2.0]

Why would they work when the government will pay them just as much to not work?

also, I like working from home. Ask the question the right way and I’ll say I want to stay home too.

 

[America 1st]

 

[America 1st]

Why would they work when the government will pay them just as much to not work?

also, I like working from home. Ask the question the right way and I’ll say I want to stay home too.

It's really a sad indictment on society that the government unemployment is more than the actual wages from these places. Folks need paid more. It's not like that government cheese is a lot of money.

750/40 is only 19$/hr.

 

[Long Cat V2.0]

It's really a sad indictment on society that the government unemployment is more than the actual wages from these places. Folks need paid more. It's not like that government cheese is a lot of money.

750/40 is only 19$/hr.

What about other welfare type benefits? How much are those worth?

 

[America 1st]

What about other welfare type benefits? How much are those worth?

Who knows but people collect other benefits regardless of whether they work or not typically.

 

[ETNVol]

It's really a sad indictment on society that the government unemployment is more than the actual wages from these places. Folks need paid more. It's not like that government cheese is a lot of money.

750/40 is only 19$/hr.

This post makes a lot of your other posts make sense now. Wow.

 

[America 1st]

This post makes a lot of your other posts make sense now. Wow.

You don't support Americans making more and leaving welfare?

 

[America 1st]

 

[America 1st]

 

[Alpha_Cock]

It's really a sad indictment on society that the government unemployment is more than the actual wages from these places. Folks need paid more. It's not like that government cheese is a lot of money.

750/40 is only 19$/hr.

Folks need to pay more? You're joking right? Government needs to quit paying people to stay home. Where is government getting their money from?

 

[America 1st]

Folks need to pay more? You're joking right? Government needs to quit paying people to stay home. Where is government getting their money from?

Folks, especially laborers, definitely need to be paid more.

This would be true with or without the ridiculous amount of unemployment.

 

[GarnetPild]

It's really a sad indictment on society that the government unemployment is more than the actual wages from these places. Folks need paid more. It's not like that government cheese is a lot of money.

750/40 is only 19$/hr.

If they bring home $750 a week in unemployment, that is more like a paycheck for a job paying $25/hr, after taxes and some benefits are taken out. Absolutely fucking insane that we pay people so much to not work.

 

[hmt5000]

if you are scared.... Stay home and hide. Let the rest of us live. It's really not hard. You can everything delivered to your house and do all your work by internet. It feels like they want to invert that and have people that aren't scared stay home so they can live close to a normal life (LOL).

 

[TheGratefulReb]

Relevant I guess

 

[Ghost Hawg]

 

[America 1st]

if you are scared.... Stay home and hide. Let the rest of us live. It's really not hard. You can everything delivered to your house and do all your work by internet. It feels like they want to invert that and have people that aren't scared stay home so they can live close to a normal life (LOL).

Yup.

And the problem is that without those folks everything implodes economically speaking just like we're seeing.

Weak link shit.

 

[America 1st]

 

[Zgdaf]

Employers are trying to wait out the unemployment.

This arguing back and forth on wages is one goal of the elite. They prefer employment friction where employees fight among themselves for the same job.

Before gold standard ended the milkman could afford a house. After.. not so much.

 

[CurtOFD78]

Part of the reason "skilled labor" is experiencing a shortage is due to the fact that the education system has eliminated many of the programs that produced skilled labor (auto mechanics for one- when is the last time you heard of a HS having that class?) and it also has really emphasized that you must go to college after HS. Kids (myself included) have thought that college is the only way to get a job that you can make a living. If I had known I would have loved being a fireman I NEVER would have gone to college. I'd have gone straight to the fire academy out of HS and I'd be able to retire RIGHT NOW at 48 years old.

 

[Juro]

I hate the whole ‘living wages’ argument. Those jobs are not meant to be long term to live off.

People expect a job they can coast in and live fine off of. But no, those jobs are meant as a part of young life. And while working those, you’re supposed to challenge yourself in knowledge and skills so you can move into a career that offers a bigger wage/salary to live off of.

 

[America 1st]

I hate the whole ‘living wages’ argument. Those jobs are not meant to be long term to live off.

People expect a job they can coast in and live fine off of. But no, those jobs are meant as a part of young life. And while working those, you’re supposed to challenge yourself in knowledge and skills so you can move into a career that offers a bigger wage/salary to live off of.

This has got to be the most out of touch position imaginable.

If someone is doing a job full time it should pay them about 36k a year so that after taxes a family of four could live above the poverty line on that income.

We, as a society, need to return to valuing labor and people so that our society doesn't continue to fall down the shit hole.

When you have production workers being offered 12-13$ an hour that's repulsive. Are those not careers?

Same goes with waitresses, fast food workers, ect. Those people are essential to society operating normally and peacefully.

The people that coast the most are typically people in salaried positions with college degrees who sit around their offices (home or on site). Those are the people who collect an income that often times exceeds their production by multiple folds.

 

[Juro]

This has got to be the most out of touch position imaginable.

If someone is doing a job full time it should pay them about 36k a year so that after taxes a family of four could live above the poverty line on that income.

We, as a society, need to return to valuing labor and people so that our society doesn't continue to fall down the shit hole.

When you have production workers being offered 12-13$ an hour that's repulsive. Are those not careers?

Same goes with waitresses, fast food workers, ect. Those people are essential to society operating normally and peacefully.

The people that coast the most are typically people in salaried positions with college degrees who sit around their offices (home or on site). Those are the people who collect an income that often times exceeds their production by multiple folds.

Out of touch? I’ve worked those jobs before and I’ve been around those people that work them now. The ones who work them that want to get out strive to get out and move to better places.

Not every job can offer a livable wage. When you try to do that, prices go up on everything, so those new wages and salary are going to have less buying power. When things can’t be bought because of that lesser buying power, jobs eventually go down or get cut.

Unless you want to tax the rich and start paying everyone under a certain income an extra allotted amount every month, we’re stuck in this cycle:

I honestly believe though if you start target middle class career lifestyles and try to better it, you might see progress in other areas. But that’s a whole different topic.

 

[America 1st]

Out of touch? I’ve worked those jobs before and I’ve been around those people that work them now. The ones who work them that want to get out strive to get out and move to better places.

Not every job can offer a livable wage. When you try to do that, prices go up on everything, so those new wages and salary are going to have less buying power. When things can’t be bought because of that lesser buying power, jobs eventually go down or get cut.

Unless you want to tax the rich and start paying everyone under a certain income an extra allotted amount every month, we’re stuck in this cycle:

I honestly believe though if you start target middle class career lifestyles and try to better it, you might see progress in other areas. But that’s a whole different topic.

One, people should want to pay more for these American services. Anything worth having comes at a price.

Two, the jobs that needs eliminated are those folks collecting outsized salaries and such that aren't doing the labor.

Plenty of people would do the above jobs for far less than what many are paid while few would work the labor positions that get shit on.

Capitalism dictates the folks willing to do the hard work (labor) should be getting paid way more as they're in demand and in short supply. It's these other positions that aren't in demand who need a readjustment and to stop coasting.

There is nothing "better" about one job or career to the next.

 

[denn]

You don't support Americans making more and leaving welfare?

Only if it is earned.

 

[America 1st]

Only if it is earned.

Spot on.

We've got laborers doing hard work, that others don't want to and can't do, getting shit on while other folks collect inflated pay for work nearly anyone would / can do.

It's time the American workers, laborers specifically, get some respect again like they used to get when America was at her peak.

 

[AC2021]

Yup.

And the problem is that without those folks everything implodes economically speaking just like we're seeing.

Weak link shit.

Its imploding because dumbasses in the government are overpaying for unemployment.

Demand a raise in the minimum wage and the cost of everything goes up, and then that new minimum wage becomes too low.

Want more money? Learn a skill that demands higher wages.

Are you just a dumbass or did you sleep thru Econ classes?

 

[America 1st]

Its imploding because dumbasses in the government are overpaying for unemployment.

Demand a raise in the minimum wage and the cost of everything goes up, and then that new minimum wage becomes too low.

Want more money? Learn a skill that demands higher wages.

Are you just a dumbass or did you sleep thru Econ classes?

Nobody is demanding an increase to the minimum wage ITT.

People with an in demand skill sets (labor) are demanding more money and some folks are melting about it as if those same labor folks aren't in demand or performing jobs others wouldn't.

I understand econ just fine. Capitalism is working the way it should from a supply and sand standpoint.

 

[AC2021]

Nobody is demanding an increase to the minimum wage ITT.

People with an in demand skill sets (labor) are demanding more money and some folks are melting about it as if those same labor folks aren't in demand or performing jobs others wouldn't.

I understand econ just fine. Capitalism is working the way it should from a supply and sand standpoint.

Except it's not.

We're a socialist welfare state.

 

[Juro]

One, people should want to pay more for these American services. Anything worth having comes at a price.

Two, the jobs that needs eliminated are those folks collecting outsized salaries and such that aren't doing the labor.

Plenty of people would do the above jobs for far less than what many are paid while few would work the labor positions that get shit on.

Capitalism dictates the folks willing to do the hard work (labor) should be getting paid way more as they're in demand and in short supply. It's these other positions that aren't in demand who need a readjustment and to stop coasting.

There is nothing "better" about one job or career to the next.

Starting with one: yes, I’m willing to pay more for an outstanding service and/or product. And I believe most people do. But if prices go up, I’m willing to go out to that place or buy their product unless I start making more.

Two: We all want those lazy SoB’s who barely do anything and get paid a shit ton out. But you’re looking at years and years of human conditioning to eliminate those ‘good ole boy’ coasting jobs from their career sectors.

I agree with paying the hard shitty jobs more, but you need to penalize corporations and executives for the wage gaps and then prevent them from outsourcing jobs to overseas. And even then, it might have negative consequences all around.

I agree with your last statement, but once again, that takes years of human conditioning to get everyone on that same page.