• Pat Flood (@rebarcock) passed away 9/21/25. Pat played a huge role in encouraging the devolopmemt of this site and donated the very first dollar to get it started. Check the thread at the top of the board for the obituary and please feel free to pay your respects there. I am going to get all the content from that thread over to his family so they can see how many people really cared for Pat outside of what they ever knew. Pat loved to tell stories and always wanted everyone else to tell stories. I think a great way we can honor Pat is to tell a story in his thread (also pinned at the top of the board).

Good move by Vanguard (link)....

Blackrock, Vanguard, and State Street are the "big three" of the financial world.



In addition to owning parts of literally every other company on the stock market, each of these three each own parts of each other.

However Vanguard is a little different from the others. Vanguard doesn't tell you who their shareholders are. They keep the details fo their ownership private.

There must be some very rich and powerful people who own Vanguard. We could only guess as to who they are.
 
It makes me think that if Vanguard isn't behind ESG, then ESG is designed to make everyone else poorer and protect the wealth disparity that these very rich and powerful people benefit from.

I'm going to avoid ESG investing like the plague. Well that's not hard in my case because all my investments are self-directed. But I feel bad for those who are going to get blindsided by this.


The U.S. Department of Labor on Tuesday announced a final rule that retirement plan fiduciaries can consider climate change and other environment, social and governance factors when they select investments for retirement plans like 401(k)s, overturning a rule passed under former President Donald Trump that plan fiduciaries only consider “pecuniary” factors.

The news finalizes a discussion started more than a year ago to allow workplace retirement plan providers and their advisers to consider ESG factors when designing plan investments. The initial DOL proposal, made in October 2021, caused a stir in the industry in its reaction to the Trump-era DOL, which had warned against the integration of climate change and ESG factors with the rationale that it would not meet a fiduciary’s obligation to make the best investment decision for participants.

The rule follows an Executive Order from President Joe Biden, to “protect the life savings and pensions of America’s workers and families from the threats of climate-related financial risk.”

If someone else manages your money for you, they could be putting your money into ESG bullshit.
 
I only invest in ESG (because I’m not a shit human).

I wish governments would mandate that all investment firms and banks be strictly ESG.
 
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