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Internal Democratic discord has wounded President Joe Biden’s massive social spending plan, raising the prospect that the package could stall out, shrink dramatically — or even fail altogether.
Myriad problems have arisen. Moderate Senate Democrats Joe Manchin (W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (Ariz.) continue to be a major headache for party leadership’s $3.5 trillion target. The Senate parliamentarian just nixed the party’s yearslong push to enact broad immigration reform. House members may tank the prescription drugs overhaul the party has run on for years. And a fight continues to brew over Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (I-Vt.) push to expand Medicare.

“If any member of Congress is not concerned that this could fall apart, they need treatment,” said Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.), who warned his party “will pay for it at the polls” if it fails in enacting Biden’s agenda. “Our caucus has the feeling of freedom to support or oppose leadership.”
Those headwinds threaten to sap the momentum from this summer, when Biden clinched a bipartisan infrastructure deal in the Senate and found support from all corners of his party for a budget setting up his sweeping spending bill. Now, Manchin is calling for a pause, moderates are resisting key components of the legislation and a new fiscal fight over the debt limit is heating up.

Those dynamics have Democrats essentially looking for an internal reset from a monthslong debate over Biden’s agenda that keeps publicly playing out through leaks, lines in the sand and fights over the topline number.

“I wish that we could all be more on the same page, in terms of timing, of the need to push the [American Families Plan],” said Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii). “I’m hopeful we are going to have a meeting of the minds and not wait until next year … we better have a Plan B.”

The multi-problem pileup comes at a critical moment for the party and for Biden, who needs a legislative win amid slumping approval ratings. But though polls show much of his social spending bill is popular outside Congress, winning approval among Democrats’ slim majorities has been harder.
With a three-vote margin in the House and a 50-50 split in the Senate, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer can’t afford to alienate either wing of their fractious party or else the chances for either of Biden’s signature domestic victories could evaporate all together.
“None of us know where this is gonna go,” said Rep. Dean Phillips (D-Minn.). “This is where leadership is made or broken, plain and simple. And that's true of the president, that's true of speakers, that's true of majority leaders.”

Manchin has been the most outspoken Democrat, publicly asking for a pause on the big spending bill with inflation rising, but the West Virginian declined to lay out his thinking Monday night when asked just how long he wants his party to put the brakes on: “Let’s see if you understand English: not a word.”

It’s unclear exactly how many Democrats are siding with prominent House and Senate moderates. One centrist Democrat up for reelection next year, Sen. Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), declined to say whether she’s comfortable with the $3.5 trillion spending number on Monday, or whether she agrees with pausing the legislation.
“We are at a critical moment,” said Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin. “The total amount to be spent has to be negotiated with those who are questioning the $3.5 trillion. So, this is the key week.”
Democrats are broadly rejecting Manchin’s overtures to stall the social spending plan, arguing doing so is akin to killing the bill. If Democrats don’t keep positive momentum behind their effort to fight climate change, improve child care and raise taxes on the wealthy, they worry that the whole thing could fall apart.
“You can’t stop this process. If you stop it it won’t get started again,” said Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.). “You’ve really got to keep it moving, there’s no magic date, but as you get closer and closer to other deadlines, this one gets more difficult.”
For progressives, the dissension over a bill they see as vital for delivering on their party's priorities is enough for some to weigh tanking the bipartisan infrastructure bill negotiated by centrist Democratic senators. Many on the left say they’ve already compromised by agreeing to a $3.5 trillion spending bill rather than $6 trillion or more proposed by progressive leaders like Sanders and Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.).

And progressives have grown increasingly annoyed by what they see as grandstanding by Manchin and Sinema. Just as behind-the-scenes negotiations on the social bill get underway, one of the two prominent moderates keep blasting out statements that jolt the talks and stall what progress has been made, they say.
“I am very tired of it,” said Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-N.Y.). “I don’t think they are making their decisions based on the needs of the American or even the people in their own state.” He added that they seem more motivated by “corporate interest.”
But Democrats close to the centrists say progressives are vastly overplaying their hand. A group of five to 10 House moderates have signaled to leadership that they would be willing to let the infrastructure bill fail rather than be held hostage by liberals over the broader spending bill. It's a more attractive alternative to them than having to vote for painful tax increases to pay for an unrestrained social safety net expansion, according to a person familiar with the discussions.

“I think it would be counterproductive to reconciliation,” said centrist Rep. Ed Case (D-Hawaii), speaking about progressive threats to tank the bipartisan bill without the broader spending plan.
“This fiction that linking the two bills will somehow enact leverage on the reconciliation side — I think it’s just that, a fiction.”
Despite the Democratic handwringing, a spokesperson for Biden said the administration is lobbying an array of members and “good progress is being made.
”The administration is “articulating the need to invest in families over big corporations at this crucial inflection point and ensure our economy delivers for the middle class,” said Andrew Bates, a White House spokesperson.
Meanwhile, progressives are not as united as the smaller, tight-knit band of House and Senate moderates that forced votes on the $550 billion bipartisan infrastructure bill in the Senate this summer and a commitment for one in the House next week. The Progressive Caucus has a sprawling membership that is unlikely to vote in lockstep — and may not have the oomph to tank the bill if House Republicans help pass the bipartisan legislation.
“There is absolutely a level where it’s not just something is not better than nothing, but something can actually do more harm,” said Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) of the infrastructure bill. “That’s why we are holding firm on our line. …This isn’t just a flight of fancy.”
 

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I'm telling everyone now, no way in hell he makes 3 more years. Today's news had a clip of him walking to the helicopter and I swear he walked 50 extra feet due to the out of balance behavior of his brain and his chicken legs. One thing is for sure, we'll never see him as a statue in one of our parks or government houses. Now as for hunter crackhead, he reminds me of the young illegals in my old neighborhood of houston just before I got enough and left for good. They would ride around all night on their bikes and have a coke can in their mouth, sniffing that spray paint in the empty cans which was lacquer. Nothing more dangerous to your health than Lacquer, it will turn your brain to a black lump of goo. The first sign of one being affected by the stuff is when they sit around at 2am and howl like a dog. It was so bad the fed started taking it off the shelves and locked it up, you had to go through all sorts of crap to get a can thanks to a bunch of socialist ass wipes. Of course that is how the feds fix problems, they take away one more civil right from each of us. Then along came the crack, and the paint suppliers lost all their business ;0)
 

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There is no way Biden has the mental acuity to come up with any reference to the Three Stooges.
I still lay in bed at night and chuckle to myself about when he said he intended to run in 2024.

🤣😂🤣

Sure Joe…

I honestly couldn’t think of a bigger gift than letting him govern for 4 years then getting to run against him with that record.
 

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Internal Democratic discord has wounded President Joe Biden’s massive social spending plan, raising the prospect that the package could stall out, shrink dramatically — or even fail altogether.
Myriad problems have arisen. Moderate Senate Democrats Joe Manchin (W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (Ariz.) continue to be a major headache for party leadership’s $3.5 trillion target. The Senate parliamentarian just nixed the party’s yearslong push to enact broad immigration reform. House members may tank the prescription drugs overhaul the party has run on for years. And a fight continues to brew over Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (I-Vt.) push to expand Medicare.

“If any member of Congress is not concerned that this could fall apart, they need treatment,” said Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.), who warned his party “will pay for it at the polls” if it fails in enacting Biden’s agenda. “Our caucus has the feeling of freedom to support or oppose leadership.”
Those headwinds threaten to sap the momentum from this summer, when Biden clinched a bipartisan infrastructure deal in the Senate and found support from all corners of his party for a budget setting up his sweeping spending bill. Now, Manchin is calling for a pause, moderates are resisting key components of the legislation and a new fiscal fight over the debt limit is heating up.

Those dynamics have Democrats essentially looking for an internal reset from a monthslong debate over Biden’s agenda that keeps publicly playing out through leaks, lines in the sand and fights over the topline number.

“I wish that we could all be more on the same page, in terms of timing, of the need to push the [American Families Plan],” said Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii). “I’m hopeful we are going to have a meeting of the minds and not wait until next year … we better have a Plan B.”

The multi-problem pileup comes at a critical moment for the party and for Biden, who needs a legislative win amid slumping approval ratings. But though polls show much of his social spending bill is popular outside Congress, winning approval among Democrats’ slim majorities has been harder.
With a three-vote margin in the House and a 50-50 split in the Senate, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer can’t afford to alienate either wing of their fractious party or else the chances for either of Biden’s signature domestic victories could evaporate all together.
“None of us know where this is gonna go,” said Rep. Dean Phillips (D-Minn.). “This is where leadership is made or broken, plain and simple. And that's true of the president, that's true of speakers, that's true of majority leaders.”

Manchin has been the most outspoken Democrat, publicly asking for a pause on the big spending bill with inflation rising, but the West Virginian declined to lay out his thinking Monday night when asked just how long he wants his party to put the brakes on: “Let’s see if you understand English: not a word.”

It’s unclear exactly how many Democrats are siding with prominent House and Senate moderates. One centrist Democrat up for reelection next year, Sen. Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), declined to say whether she’s comfortable with the $3.5 trillion spending number on Monday, or whether she agrees with pausing the legislation.
“We are at a critical moment,” said Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin. “The total amount to be spent has to be negotiated with those who are questioning the $3.5 trillion. So, this is the key week.”
Democrats are broadly rejecting Manchin’s overtures to stall the social spending plan, arguing doing so is akin to killing the bill. If Democrats don’t keep positive momentum behind their effort to fight climate change, improve child care and raise taxes on the wealthy, they worry that the whole thing could fall apart.
“You can’t stop this process. If you stop it it won’t get started again,” said Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.). “You’ve really got to keep it moving, there’s no magic date, but as you get closer and closer to other deadlines, this one gets more difficult.”
For progressives, the dissension over a bill they see as vital for delivering on their party's priorities is enough for some to weigh tanking the bipartisan infrastructure bill negotiated by centrist Democratic senators. Many on the left say they’ve already compromised by agreeing to a $3.5 trillion spending bill rather than $6 trillion or more proposed by progressive leaders like Sanders and Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.).

And progressives have grown increasingly annoyed by what they see as grandstanding by Manchin and Sinema. Just as behind-the-scenes negotiations on the social bill get underway, one of the two prominent moderates keep blasting out statements that jolt the talks and stall what progress has been made, they say.
“I am very tired of it,” said Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-N.Y.). “I don’t think they are making their decisions based on the needs of the American or even the people in their own state.” He added that they seem more motivated by “corporate interest.”
But Democrats close to the centrists say progressives are vastly overplaying their hand. A group of five to 10 House moderates have signaled to leadership that they would be willing to let the infrastructure bill fail rather than be held hostage by liberals over the broader spending bill. It's a more attractive alternative to them than having to vote for painful tax increases to pay for an unrestrained social safety net expansion, according to a person familiar with the discussions.

“I think it would be counterproductive to reconciliation,” said centrist Rep. Ed Case (D-Hawaii), speaking about progressive threats to tank the bipartisan bill without the broader spending plan.
“This fiction that linking the two bills will somehow enact leverage on the reconciliation side — I think it’s just that, a fiction.”
Despite the Democratic handwringing, a spokesperson for Biden said the administration is lobbying an array of members and “good progress is being made.
”The administration is “articulating the need to invest in families over big corporations at this crucial inflection point and ensure our economy delivers for the middle class,” said Andrew Bates, a White House spokesperson.
Meanwhile, progressives are not as united as the smaller, tight-knit band of House and Senate moderates that forced votes on the $550 billion bipartisan infrastructure bill in the Senate this summer and a commitment for one in the House next week. The Progressive Caucus has a sprawling membership that is unlikely to vote in lockstep — and may not have the oomph to tank the bill if House Republicans help pass the bipartisan legislation.
“There is absolutely a level where it’s not just something is not better than nothing, but something can actually do more harm,” said Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) of the infrastructure bill. “That’s why we are holding firm on our line. …This isn’t just a flight of fancy.”
That's because it already is...
 

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I still lay in bed at night and chuckle to myself about when he said he intended to run in 2024.

🤣😂🤣

Sure Joe…

I honestly couldn’t think of a bigger gift than letting him govern for 4 years then getting to run against him with that record.
Remember, they have already stolen one election and he could have body rot falling off and he would still win again due to the voting crimes. The Republicans sit on their asses and allowed the IRS, the intelligence agencies and a crook named hitlary do what we see happening today. If you want to compete with criminals you better learn how to return everything they throw at you. I find it very funny they are targeting their own even going as far as follow them into the shit er. In my mind that pretty much assures me they are indeed communist running the democratic party. I am concerned about giving billions to the IRS and allowing them to target any individual by compiling information above and beyond the right to privacy. We really are long overdue for a full scale revolution. They imprisoned innocent people for the so called insurrection so that alone was enough to justify removing all these slugs hiding behind a door. You can start with nancy who is a mad hatter, in my mind she is the number one tyrant in American government. I don't remember ever voting for the bitch or anyone else voting for her but yet she has wreaked havoc on all of us. One day people will finally all wake up at the same time and put a stop to the Tyranny.
 

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So did McConnell cave today or what? The market sure behaved like he did.

@America 1st
Kinda.

He gave them a small W but he forced the issue on reconciliation which is gonna hurt the Dims long term.

They can only use reconciliation once per fiscal year so since it’s September to September the Dims are gonna have to include the debt ceiling in their bill which will be another sticking point.
 

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Kinda.

He gave them a small W but he forced the issue on reconciliation which is gonna hurt the Dims long term.

They can only use reconciliation once per fiscal year so since it’s September to September the Dims are gonna have to include the debt ceiling in their bill which will be another sticking point.
Remember this - they are all talking behind the scenes. Both sides are criminally motivated and morally vacuous. This shit has been going since the 1950's and the rise of the civil rights movement and the tremendous growth of the middle class (baby boomers).
 

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Remember, they have already stolen one election and he could have body rot falling off and he would still win again due to the voting crimes. The Republicans sit on their asses and allowed the IRS, the intelligence agencies and a crook named hitlary do what we see happening today. If you want to compete with criminals you better learn how to return everything they throw at you. I find it very funny they are targeting their own even going as far as follow them into the shit er. In my mind that pretty much assures me they are indeed communist running the democratic party. I am concerned about giving billions to the IRS and allowing them to target any individual by compiling information above and beyond the right to privacy. We really are long overdue for a full scale revolution. They imprisoned innocent people for the so called insurrection so that alone was enough to justify removing all these slugs hiding behind a door. You can start with nancy who is a mad hatter, in my mind she is the number one tyrant in American government. I don't remember ever voting for the bitch or anyone else voting for her but yet she has wreaked havoc on all of us. One day people will finally all wake up at the same time and put a stop to the Tyranny.
Your summary is excellent. The sad part is that the truth does not matter anymore. There is no longer a majority of men of honor and integrity that could overcome this criminal organization. It is too large. Those involved are making more money than you can imagine, all while gaining control of the largest money making machine the world has ever known - the American capitalistic engine. They are tuning it to run for them while we are buckled in seatbelts at the back of the bus.
 

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All except their offshore hidden money belonging to them and received from our enemies abroad. If anyone needs to be looked at it is the politicians in DC, all of them ! I think no one would be surprised to see all of them charged for influence peddling. The one problem with the nation's forefathers thoughts on our constitution was allowing no one watching these thieving lying bastards in the congress writing laws to protect themselves from being charged for criminal activity and simply saying, oh it isn't illegal....... unless it is you or me. I hate them, what's to love about a thieving lying bastard that we are forced like it or not to pay extreme salaries and fly their asses all over the world for free meals and wine. If we could replace our population outside of DC and government with the same Frenchmen who were a part of the French Revolution, how long do you think this bunch in congress would survive before becoming two separate parts. ;0)
 
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