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An important discussion to have. Declaration of Independence

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I am going to present the Declaration of Independence below. Before declaring independence, philosophical background was provided (which is copied below), followed by a list of facts that justified the declaration. What facts would you provide if you were to justify the need to institute a new government today?

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When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
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Following this, the Declaration provides a list of 27 reasons that support the idea that it is time to dissolve the powers that be and put a new government in place.

What facts could be provided if someone was trying to justify the need for a modern day declaration?

Candidate facts collected from thread responses

1. Global homogenization

2. Lobbyists garnering political influence

3. COINTEL PRO
 
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When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We Are getting so close to this part in real life.
 

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When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We Are getting so close to this part in real life.
My point of making this thread is to see where we stand. What facts can everyone provide? I am just going to play secretary in this thread and compile any candidates for a deeper look
 

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OP is my boy butt The Declaration of Independence is just a document as far as citizens of The Union are concerned.

Anywon laying Moore importance on it than that isn’t a Patriot.
 

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OP is my boy butt The Declaration of Independence is just a document as far as citizens of The Union are concerned.

Anywon laying Moore importance on it than that isn’t a Patriot.
even if the Declaration of Independence was a Dr. Suess book it would still provide context for the discussion here.

We aren’t debating the value or importance of the document in this thread
 

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even if the Declaration of Independence was a Dr. Suess book it would still provide context for the discussion here.

We aren’t debating the value or importance of the document in this thread
If the debate is about the knead four knew government then the discussion is short; elect America 1st candidates because the government we have is God’s gift two mankind.
 

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If the debate is about the knead four knew government then the discussion is short; elect America 1st candidates because the government we have is God’s gift two mankind.
The thread is not about the need for a new government either.

the thread is to provide facts that might support the the idea that the government is becoming destructive concerning the means of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
 

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The thread is not about the need for a new government either.

the thread is to provide facts that might support the government is becoming destruct to the ends of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
If that’s the case then their is know legitimate explanation despite what radicals mite try two persuade.

We are sum of the most privileged beeings two ever inhab God’s green Earth.

Our society is south soft we bitch about things we’ve created four ourselves like government and our own realities.
 

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John Dickinson, in an editorial published in a Pennsylvania paper, 1768:

“Let these truths be indelibly impressed upon your minds—that we cannot be happy without being free—that we cannot be free without being secure in our property— that we cannot be secure in our property if, without our consent, others may as by right take it away.
Here then, let my countrymen ROUSE themselves, and behold the ruin hanging over their heads.
If they ONCE admit, that Great Britain may lay duties upon her exportations to us, FOR THE PURPOSE OF LEVYING MONEY ON US, ONLY, she then will have nothing to do, but to lay those duties on the articles which she prohibits us to manufacture—and the tragedy of American liberty is finished.”

Later and elsewhere he postulated....

“It is not our duty to leave WEALTH to our children, but it is our duty to leave LIBERTY to them.
We have counted the cost of this contest, and we find nothing so dreadful as voluntary slavery.”
 

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The Price of Freedom

Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?


Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died.
Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.


Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured.


Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.
What kind of men were they?


Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners, men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.


Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.


Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.
Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.


At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson Jr. noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.


Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.


John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart.
Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates.


Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."


They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never told you a lot about what happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn't fight just the British. We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government! Some of us take these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn't.
So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price they paid. Remember: freedom is never free!

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If the debate is about the knead four knew government then the discussion is short; elect America 1st candidates because the government we have is God’s gift two mankind.
And if they steal the election and vote in pro pedo and anti 2nd amendment, anti 1st amendment and anti 4th amendment judges we just have to accept it? I thought you were just over zealous but you come off as a troll now.
 

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And if they steal the election and vote in pro pedo and anti 2nd amendment, anti 1st amendment and anti 4th amendment judges we just have to accept it? I thought you were just over zealous but you come off as a troll now.
Yes.

Keep yore elections Fromm beeing stolen next thyme.
 

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The thread is not about the need for a new government either.

the thread is to provide facts that might support the the idea that the government is becoming destructive concerning the means of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
The thing is... Dems were saying Cali and parts of the Northwest should secede if Trump won. America isn't our government... it's our constitution and the rule of law. If rights don't matter and laws can be interpreted to mean whatever they need it to mean at any particular time then we don't really have a constitutional republic... we have an authoritarian military state.
 

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Yes.

Keep yore elections Fromm beeing stolen next thyme.
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I would add, the abolishment of the freedom of religion, as it has been misinterpreted to include satanism, and led many to believe that this country was founded on Christianity, but in reality it was not.
 

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Yes, but how can the normal citizen ensure that the vote is good? none that I can think of. Trump clearly slayed Biden.

I was listening to the Greg Phillips interview on the X22 report. He was saying that election malfeasance has been going since America has been voting. He said Andrew Jackson was cheated out of his first run and the only reason he won the second time was he out cheated the cheaters. Interesting subject that i will delve into later...
 
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I was listening to the Greg Phillips interview on the X22 report. He was saying that election malfeasance has been going since America has been voting. He said Andrew Jackson was cheated out of his first run and the only reason he won the second time was he out cheated the cheaters. Interesting subject that i will delve into later...
The X22 report is conspiracy trash but he is right that election malfeasance is a hallmark of America and republics in general.
 
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