American Crossroads - Real Dilemma

[hmt5000]

Die in a fire you cocksucker. Trump is not going to do near the damage to the 2nd amendment the dems will. You have to have a cock so far up your ass and mouth to not know this. I hope you fly frequently on a united flight on a boeing plane..... Burn bitch.

 

[TheResister]

Die in a fire you cocksucker. Trump is not going to do near the damage to the 2nd amendment the dems will. You have to have a cock so far up your ass and mouth to not know this. I hope you fly frequently on a united flight on a boeing plane..... Burn bitch.

You talk shit that you wouldn't say to my face, so face it. You are the bitch in this instance.

Ronald Reagan boasted, as governor, over a bill he got passed that is now pretty much standard throughout this country. It goes like this:

If you commit a crime while in the possession of a firearm you will be convicted of a gun crime - possession of a firearm while in the commission of a crime... even if the firearm plays no part in the crime. Let me do a little pontificating:

You come up on a troublemaker that is better at it than you. You get in a fight and by some fluke you punch his running lights out. But, you were wearing a firearm and his friends swear and be damned that you started the fight. Unlikely scenario for you, but for many it has happened. Well, you would go to prison in that scenario.

Reagan didn't stop there. He got select fire weapons banned. King George the Bush took NRA money and then ripped them a new asshole as he tore his NRA membership card up on the White House lawn and railed against semi-auto weapons. Then Bush, by Executive Order, outlawed the importation of semi automatics into the United States. His son, King George, the Bush II (aka W) said he would make the so - called "Assault Weapons Ban" permanent. Luckily the Republicans were not so obliging.

Then along comes Dishonest Don. He was clearly against the Second Amendment before running; became pro-gun in his campaign; turned on gun owners as president and now he's supposedly pro-gun again. As president he instituted the bump stock ban, chided Congress for being "afraid" of the NRA and showed them what a toothless tiger they were. Trump lobbied Congress to raise the minimum age to buy guns; he promoted Red Flag Gun Laws; lobbied for outlawing high capacity magazines. He showed how a president could attack the Second Amendment without repercussions.

You are a lying mother fucker to insinuate that this is about Trump v. Biden. I'm not going to vote for Biden, but I think you are. I think you are a hypocritical, double talking, lazy ass parasite that is trying jailhouse psychology to circumvent what the conversation is about. This is about forcing Trump to disavow gun control. That's it. Nothing more. Nothing less. You realize he probably won't. And, if Trump is not a public servant he becomes a tyrant figuring you have no leverage. You might need a government God. I don't. And if your candy ass ever talked that smack to me in public, I'd spit in your face.

 

[TheResister]

For the balance of this thread:

There will be life after Trump. Even if Trump runs and then declares himself head honcho for life, he will die at some point.

MAGA and its followers chant mantras about elections and so forth, but they have NO VISION beyond Trump. They have turned their backs on the foundational principles upon which this country was built.

If you're going to support the left the way that hmt5000 does, you may as well simply accept human slavery. Now, can we continue past Trump and gun control? America is at a critical crossroads.

 

[weaponoffreedom]

Trump is not going to do near the damage to the 2nd amendment the dems will.

I would not be so sure of that. It would be easier for a "conservative" to ease guns away than the enemy themselves.

 

[Joe King]

The only thing I blame Trump for directly is his anti-gun agenda.

If the American people allow Joe Biden to become president, you will officially become a slave

Putting it that way, you make it a very easy choice.

If Trump will take the guns, but do nothing else, he's clearly the better choice, as when biden makes you a slave, you'll lose your guns then too, because slaves can't own guns. Becoming a slave costs one all their Rights.

Depends on how the word is used. If by definition "impossible to take away", you are right, they all could be taken, but not the right to defense, that would be impossible to take away.

Cain killed able with a rock.

They aren't taken away, but rather temporarily violated.

Which I do not know that there really is a "right" to life.

There is a right to self defence, as it is part of free will. Life is not.

You have the Right to your life. Says so in the DOI.


The real question should be, if you have the Right to your life, you should also have the Right to support that life.
Yet anything one does to get the things one needs to support their life is taxable. However, the gov also says that Rights can't be taxed, so that can only mean that working to support one's life is but a gov granted privilege that one voluntarily engages in, in order to be taxed on it.

If you believe what you just wrote, you are an absolute idiot. I would welcome you to research this board. I've said on numerous occasions that if Biden is elected, we are screwed.

If Trump won't equally screw us, then you are saying that he is in fact the best choice. There may be better people, but if they ain't on the ballot, we can't vote for 'em.

The problem today is that grown men care more about the scores of football games than they do the future of this country.

That is true.

The only rights that are "unalienable" are the right to life (the right to self defense), the right of liberty (self determination), and the pursuit of happiness (identity).

No, there are others.

Read the DOI. It says as much.

all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

If life liberty and the pursuit of happiness are merely AMONG the unalienable Rights claimed, then it stands to reason that there are in fact other Rights that are unalienable.

The Constitution merely applies the Rights mentioned in the DOI in order to secure and protect them for Americans and our posterity.

 

[TheResister]

Putting it that way, you make it a very easy choice.

If Trump will take the guns, but do nothing else, he's clearly the better choice, as when biden makes you a slave, you'll lose your guns then too, because slaves can't own guns. Becoming a slave costs one all their Rights.




They aren't taken away, but rather temporarily violated.


You have the Right to your life. Says so in the DOI.


The real question should be, if you have the Right to your life, you should also have the Right to support that life.
Yet anything one does to get the things one needs to support their life is taxable. However, the gov also says that Rights can't be taxed, so that can only mean that working to support one's life is but a gov granted privilege that one voluntarily engages in, in order to be taxed on it.




If Trump won't equally screw us, then you are saying that he is in fact the best choice. There may be better people, but if they ain't on the ballot, we can't vote for 'em.


That is true.


No, there are others.

Read the DOI. It says as much.

all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

If life liberty and the pursuit of happiness are merely AMONG the unalienable Rights claimed, then it stands to reason that there are in fact other Rights that are unalienable.

The Constitution merely applies the Rights mentioned in the DOI in order to secure and protect them for Americans and our posterity.

This is not an issue about Trump v. Biden
This is not an issue about Trump v. Biden
This is not an issue about Trump v. Biden

I am not urging people to support Biden

Get Joe Biden off your mind. I'm telling you the facts:

Gun control happens with greater frequency under Republicans
As long as you vote out of desperation, the politicians will screw you over
Once you have given up the Right to keep and bear Arms, the rest is immaterial

Can you understand that so far? So, what have I been telling you?

Although Trump may very well get your vote in the end, the people must be willing to stand up to him and demand certain concessions. The pro-abortion people have made Trump rethink his position on being pro-Life. Now, he wants to transfer the issue over to the states. So, in the end, a lot of soccer moms will be appeased. They will vote for him.

As long as HE (Trump) thinks you will withhold your vote, Trump may walk back his support for gun control and admit that what he did was wrong. Trump's objective is to get reelected. Your objective should be to stall the transfer of power to the globalists. You allow Trump to brag about his part in the clot shot; you are going to let him squeak by while walking back his support for the pro-Life position. You aren't listening to him on a number of issues. The political process is about negotiation. You aren't getting anything except a good screwing because that is what you're settling for. The polling is close.

I grew up in an era when George Wallace won the presidency without getting elected. All kinds of groups are trying to repeat that election, including RFK. It is up to YOU to decide whether or not your voice is heard OR you are just voting out of desperation. I will do a separate reply with regards to unalienable Rights.

 

[TheResister]

There are all kinds of rights and all kinds of "law" (both officially unofficially). You have statutes, ordinances, rules, regulations, Executive Orders, policies, case law holdings, etc., etc. AND you have all kinds of "R (r)ights. There are civil rights, human rights, inalienable rights and unalienable Rights.

Grammarists don't understand the legal differences in R (r) ights. Here is a discussion that will clear it up:

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If you aren't going to be part of that conversation, I'll give you the Reader's Digest (though that won't make you competent enough to argue one way or the other since I cannot cover every base in one posting).

Unalienable Rights are unlike any other Rights spoken about in any other historical document, constitution or set of laws. The United States is the only nation in recorded history that established a constitutional Republic, acknowledged Rights given by a Creator and limited the government so we could enjoy those Rights without becoming a theocracy.

It does little to claim you have a Right to keep and bear Arms to protect your Right to Life IF you are allowing the masses to determine the value of your Life and to what extent you can go to defend yourself from criminals and traitors. People may like playing semantics, but I look at it like this:

If I died today and God asked me to justify my actions, I do not bow down to man when I have a mandate from God to be responsible for my Life and Safety regardless of man made law to the contrary

If I had to defend myself in a court, I would remind them of WHY the Second Amendment was passed according to the author of that Bill.

Common sense dictates the bounds I'm legitimately bound to in defending Life, Liberty and Country.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

This is not an issue about Trump v. Biden
This is not an issue about Trump v. Biden
This is not an issue about Trump v. Biden

I am not urging people to support Biden

Get Joe Biden off your mind. I'm telling you the facts:

Gun control happens with greater frequency under Republicans
As long as you vote out of desperation, the politicians will screw you over
Once you have given up the Right to keep and bear Arms, the rest is immaterial

Can you understand that so far? So, what have I been telling you?

Although Trump may very well get your vote in the end, the people must be willing to stand up to him and demand certain concessions. The pro-abortion people have made Trump rethink his position on being pro-Life. Now, he wants to transfer the issue over to the states. So, in the end, a lot of soccer moms will be appeased. They will vote for him.

As long as HE (Trump) thinks you will withhold your vote, Trump may walk back his support for gun control and admit that what he did was wrong. Trump's objective is to get reelected. Your objective should be to stall the transfer of power to the globalists. You allow Trump to brag about his part in the clot shot; you are going to let him squeak by while walking back his support for the pro-Life position. You aren't listening to him on a number of issues. The political process is about negotiation. You aren't getting anything except a good screwing because that is what you're settling for. The polling is close.

I grew up in an era when George Wallace won the presidency without getting elected. All kinds of groups are trying to repeat that election, including RFK. It is up to YOU to decide whether or not your voice is heard OR you are just voting out of desperation. I will do a separate reply with regards to unalienable Rights.

So you want Biden off peoples minds, yet you turn around and make it a D vs R argument with Gun control happens with greater frequency under Republicans
So then as a 2A supporter why would I vote for an R?

George Wallace won the Presidency without getting elected? Nixon was elected and then resigned due to his people breaking into the DNC offices. That's not a good look for Wallace. Or are you referring to Ford who was defeated after his 3 year stint? Not a good look either. imjusayn

SCOTUS already transferred abortion to the states in 2022. SMFH

 

[Liquid Reigns]

No, there are others.

Read the DOI. It says as much.

all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

If life liberty and the pursuit of happiness are merely AMONG the unalienable Rights claimed, then it stands to reason that there are in fact other Rights that are unalienable.

The Constitution merely applies the Rights mentioned in the DOI in order to secure and protect them for Americans and our posterity.

Here is a list of the other unalienable rights:

1. Right to Life: Every individual has the right to live and not be deprived of life arbitrarily.
2. Right to Liberty: Every individual has the right to freedom and autonomy, including freedom of movement, freedom of thought, and freedom of expression.
3. Right to Property: Every individual has the right to own property and use it as they see fit, provided it does not infringe upon the rights of others.
4. Right to Pursue Happiness: Every individual has the right to pursue their own happiness and well-being, as long as it does not harm others.
5. Right to Equality: Every individual is equal before the law and should be treated without discrimination based on race, gender, religion, or other characteristics.
6. Right to Privacy: Every individual has the right to privacy and to be free from unwarranted intrusion into their personal affairs.
7. Right to Due Process: Every individual has the right to fair and impartial treatment under the law, including the right to a fair trial and legal representation.
8. Right to Freedom of Conscience: Every individual has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, and religion, and the right to practice or not practice any religion without interference.
9. Right to Freedom of Speech: Every individual has the right to express their opinions and ideas freely, without censorship or fear of retaliation.
10. Right to Freedom of Assembly: Every individual has the right to peacefully assemble and associate with others for lawful purposes.

Unalienable rights are those that are not dependent on the laws or customs of any particular culture or government, they can not be denied.

They can all be summed up under Life (1, 3, 7), Liberty (2, 8, 9, 10), and the Pursuit of Happiness (4, 5, 6).

 

[fschmidt]

In a few months we will have to go to the polls and vote for the lesser of two evils. That's basically the narrative - except for the fact that many don't see a loss of Liberties (esp. the Right to keep and bear Arms) as any big loss.

If Trump is elected he will:

Scrap the Second, Fourth and Fifth Amendments
Create the ultimate POLICE STATE
Turn us into a dictatorship

If Biden is elected he will:

Scrap the Second Amendment
Turn us into the Nanny State
Hand America over to the Third World in fee simple
Wage a perpetual war against the Posterity of the framers of the Constitution
Leave office having turned America into a socialist democracy

If Biden takes us into war before the election - namely by admitting Ukraine into NATO, the election favors him. If not, it's probably Trump's election to lose. The worst mistake that patriots (assuming we have any left) are making is to coronate Donald Trump. He needs to work for your vote and retract his previous statements such as "take the guns early and then give people due process." If you don't take care of this right now, you will have to deal with Trump's successor and the order of things will become more convoluted than ever.

Once you've forfeited the Right to keep and bear Arms in order to insure the security of a free State, you've lost the war. And so far, most are content to avoid that discussion of what America looks like a decade from now when Biden and Trump are footnotes to history. Just saying.

> In a few months we will have to go to the polls and vote for the lesser of two evils.

No, in a few months I will stay home while the moronic masses vote.

> The worst mistake that patriots (assuming we have any left) are making is to coronate Donald Trump.

What kind of a moron would be a patriot of the disgusting country that America has become? Yes I love old America, just as I love Ancient Athens, but that doesn't compel me to support modern America or modern Greece.

Trump is a perfect representative of the disgusting modern American who hates freedom.

 

[TheResister]

> In a few months we will have to go to the polls and vote for the lesser of two evils.

No, in a few months I will stay home while the moronic masses vote.

> The worst mistake that patriots (assuming we have any left) are making is to coronate Donald Trump.

What kind of a moron would be a patriot of the disgusting country that America has become? Yes I love old America, just as I love Ancient Athens, but that doesn't compel me to support modern America or modern Greece.

Trump is a perfect representative of the disgusting modern American who hates freedom.

I feel the same, exact way. OTOH, if they could get Trump to walk back his anti-gun rhetoric and his anti - gun agenda, I may be compelled to vote for the piece of garbage just to hang onto the hope that I can "legally" be prepared until the next election.

I'm surprised that you missed the part where I said that Wallace won the election. He didn't become president. He won the election because his votes determined the winner of the election AND Wallace talked about issues the other candidates didn't want to address. The mainstream candidates had to address those issues or lose to Wallace. That has been my objective with respect to that part of the thread. The Right to keep and bear Arms is an extension of your Right to Life. If a politician doesn't understand that and / or they disagree with it, voting for them only makes you a part of the problem unless you get some concession that benefits you.

There will be life after Trump. We should focus on the America we want for tomorrow.

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