American Crossroads - Real Dilemma

[TheResister]

In a few months we will have to go to the polls and vote for the lesser of two evils. That's basically the narrative - except for the fact that many don't see a loss of Liberties (esp. the Right to keep and bear Arms) as any big loss.

If Trump is elected he will:

Scrap the Second, Fourth and Fifth Amendments
Create the ultimate POLICE STATE
Turn us into a dictatorship

If Biden is elected he will:

Scrap the Second Amendment
Turn us into the Nanny State
Hand America over to the Third World in fee simple
Wage a perpetual war against the Posterity of the framers of the Constitution
Leave office having turned America into a socialist democracy

If Biden takes us into war before the election - namely by admitting Ukraine into NATO, the election favors him. If not, it's probably Trump's election to lose. The worst mistake that patriots (assuming we have any left) are making is to coronate Donald Trump. He needs to work for your vote and retract his previous statements such as "take the guns early and then give people due process." If you don't take care of this right now, you will have to deal with Trump's successor and the order of things will become more convoluted than ever.

Once you've forfeited the Right to keep and bear Arms in order to insure the security of a free State, you've lost the war. And so far, most are content to avoid that discussion of what America looks like a decade from now when Biden and Trump are footnotes to history. Just saying.

 

[Golbez]

Everything you say bad about Trump, Biden has pretty much already done. I'm honestly wondering if he is even going to give up office if Trump wins, and what would that be? Dictatorship?

 

[weaponoffreedom]

has pretty much already done.

explain please

 

[weaponoffreedom]

Once you've forfeited the Right to keep and bear Arms in order to insure the security of a free State, you've lost the war

........forever, or at least until the regime goes bankrupt, like the USSR.

Sometimes, to rebuild a house, the first thing that has to be done is............bulldoze the existing house.

Those to whom are mechanically inclined will understand this concept. I have made countless things, but scrapped 75% of them the first time. You can only fix what is possible to fix, and there comes a time when fixing is not fixing, it is adding to a problem.

 

[TheResister]

Everything you say bad about Trump, Biden has pretty much already done. I'm honestly wondering if he is even going to give up office if Trump wins, and what would that be? Dictatorship?

Regardless of a scenario whereby Biden goes back into office, if the people didn't rise up against him, this country is toast... no second chances, no next election, no United States as you and I know it.

We lose either way, but what I want to see happen is for people to confront Trump and not only have him walk back what he says, but to admit he was wrong about the Constitution. The same money the gun lobby spent fighting court cases due to Trump would have gone a long way marginalizing Biden.

 

[TheResister]

........forever, or at least until the regime goes bankrupt, like the USSR.

Sometimes, to rebuild a house, the first thing that has to be done is............bulldoze the existing house.

Those to whom are mechanically inclined will understand this concept. I have made countless things, but scrapped 75% of them the first time. You can only fix what is possible to fix, and there comes a time when fixing is not fixing, it is adding to a problem.

I agree with your assessment. John Adams, second President of the United States once wrote:

"Our Consolation must be this, my dear, that Cities may be rebuilt, and a People reduced to Poverty, may acquire fresh Property: But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it..."

To draw an analogy of this principle, In Roe v. Wade the courts said that a woman has a right to an abortion. Then the high Court reversed themselves. Now Biden is promising to restore Roe v. Wade. He can only do that by politicizing the United States Supreme Court. He's got to get rid of Sotomayor before the election and put in a younger socialist. Biden will destroy the system of checks and balances.

Meanwhile we are surrendering our Right to defending the Limitations upon Government by reducing the unalienable Right to keep and bear Arms to a mere grant given by government. That's the rub.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

In a few months we will have to go to the polls and vote for the lesser of two evils. That's basically the narrative - except for the fact that many don't see a loss of Liberties (esp. the Right to keep and bear Arms) as any big loss.

If Trump is elected he will:

Scrap the Second, Fourth and Fifth Amendments
Create the ultimate POLICE STATE
Turn us into a dictatorship

LMFAO Trump will do no such thing.

If Biden is elected he will:

Scrap the Second Amendment
Turn us into the Nanny State
Hand America over to the Third World in fee simple
Wage a perpetual war against the Posterity of the framers of the Constitution
Leave office having turned America into a socialist democracy

If Biden takes us into war before the election - namely by admitting Ukraine into NATO, the election favors him. If not, it's probably Trump's election to lose. The worst mistake that patriots (assuming we have any left) are making is to coronate Donald Trump. He needs to work for your vote and retract his previous statements such as "take the guns early and then give people due process." If you don't take care of this right now, you will have to deal with Trump's successor and the order of things will become more convoluted than ever.

No President has the ability to scrap anything in the Constitution.
We are already and have been a nanny state, this needs to be changed.

Ukraine has a long road ahead before it is ever accepted into NATO. War this time won't favor Biden, most in the US are against the Ukraine and Israel Wars.

Trump has redacted his original statement you are whining about, it has been shown to you here:

Trump = End war in Ukraine, Biden = WW3

Think I'm in full agreement with the Prime Minister of Hungary. Trump = End war in Ukraine Biden = Nuclear holocaust

thefreespeechforum.com

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Regardless of a scenario whereby Biden goes back into office, if the people didn't rise up against him, this country is toast... no second chances, no next election, no United States as you and I know it.

We lose either way, but what I want to see happen is for people to confront Trump and not only have him walk back what he says, but to admit he was wrong about the Constitution. The same money the gun lobby spent fighting court cases due to Trump would have gone a long way marginalizing Biden.

The gun lobby spends on political races no matter what, they have budgets and easily fund raise, if they weren't fighting the DOJ regarding Bump Stocks it would be everything else, magazines, permits, CCP's, etc, just as they have been doing since their inception.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

I agree with your assessment. John Adams, second President of the United States once wrote:

"Our Consolation must be this, my dear, that Cities may be rebuilt, and a People reduced to Poverty, may acquire fresh Property: But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it..."

To draw an analogy of this principle, In Roe v. Wade the courts said that a woman has a right to an abortion. Then the high Court reversed themselves. Now Biden is promising to restore Roe v. Wade. He can only do that by politicizing the United States Supreme Court. He's got to get rid of Sotomayor before the election and put in a younger socialist. Biden will destroy the system of checks and balances.

Meanwhile we are surrendering our Right to defending the Limitations upon Government by reducing the unalienable Right to keep and bear Arms to a mere grant given by government. That's the rub.

Courts reverse themselves all the time, SCOTUS is no different, no judge is infallible.

There is no unalienable right to own/posses a firearm, it is a right that pre-existed our US Constitution that dates back to the 1100's. The Constitution protects the peoples right to posses firearms.

 

[yankmenoodle]

See Ten Vol. Just changed his avatar. Everything the democrats have done.....Trumps fault. Hitler....Trumps fault. Jesus crucified......Trumps fault.

 

[TheRealJohnCooper]

In a few months we will have to go to the polls and vote for the lesser of two evils. That's basically the narrative - except for the fact that many don't see a loss of Liberties (esp. the Right to keep and bear Arms) as any big loss.

If Trump is elected he will:

Scrap the Second, Fourth and Fifth Amendments
Create the ultimate POLICE STATE
Turn us into a dictatorship

If Biden is elected he will:

Scrap the Second Amendment
Turn us into the Nanny State
Hand America over to the Third World in fee simple
Wage a perpetual war against the Posterity of the framers of the Constitution
Leave office having turned America into a socialist democracy

If Biden takes us into war before the election - namely by admitting Ukraine into NATO, the election favors him. If not, it's probably Trump's election to lose. The worst mistake that patriots (assuming we have any left) are making is to coronate Donald Trump. He needs to work for your vote and retract his previous statements such as "take the guns early and then give people due process." If you don't take care of this right now, you will have to deal with Trump's successor and the order of things will become more convoluted than ever.

Once you've forfeited the Right to keep and bear Arms in order to insure the security of a free State, you've lost the war. And so far, most are content to avoid that discussion of what America looks like a decade from now when Biden and Trump are footnotes to history. Just saying.

You are truly a fucking idiot.

 

[TheResister]

You are truly a fucking idiot.

And yet you read my OP. What does that say about you? Don't waste my time with bullshit like that. This thread is for those who want to discuss stuff. You're beginning to sound like a bitching woman. Get off your period and leave me the Hell alone. I might be so inclined to put you on my ignore list.

 

[TheResister]

See Ten Vol. Just changed his avatar. Everything the democrats have done.....Trumps fault. Hitler....Trumps fault. Jesus crucified......Trumps fault.

It says a lot about those who have Trump Worship Syndrome that one cannot criticize the man without having trolls talk shit that they would never, under any circumstances utter in public where they had to be held accountable.

The only thing I blame Trump for directly is his anti-gun agenda. Most of the bad shit that has gone down over the last quarter of a century has happened because zealots have tried to take over and they lack the knowledge and experience to understand what is really going on the United Socialist States of Amerika.

If the American people allow Joe Biden to become president, you will officially become a slave - plain and simple. You might be able to appeal to Trump's most basic instincts that remind him that life is a negotiation. My Rights aren't for sale; I refuse to be goaded into voting for the lesser of two evils out of desperation; getting my vote costs something. I expect Trump to read the Constitution and abide by it. That is how I plan to leverage my vote and ask that you do the same if you expect me to vote for him.

 

[Golbez]

explain please

Scrap the Second, Fourth and Fifth Amendments
Create the ultimate POLICE STATE
Turn us into a dictatorship

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/21/politics/guns-shootings-accountability-what-matters/index.html

Public hearings of the United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack - Wikipedia

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[weaponoffreedom]

fuck trump and everyone else on every ticket

 

[weaponoffreedom]

No President has the ability to scrap anything in the Constitution.

We are already and have been a nanny state, this needs to be changed.

agreed

most in the US are against the Ukraine and Israel Wars.

maybe

if they weren't fighting the DOJ regarding Bump Stocks it would be everything else

sure, all gun legislation issue deserve a fight

There is no unalienable right to own/posses a firearm, it is a right that pre-existed our US Constitution that dates back to the 1100's. The Constitution protects the peoples right to posses firearms.

hmmmmmm, not really. It is "unalienable" .......which means nothing to me.........it is really not about guns, it is about defense. Ownership of guns dates back to the very date guns were made, whenever that was. Same could be said about broze swords, then iron swords, then steel swords and so on.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

agreed

maybe

sure, all gun legislation issue deserve a fight

hmmmmmm, not really. It is "unalienable" .......which means nothing to me.........it is really not about guns, it is about defense. Ownership of guns dates back to the very date guns were made, whenever that was. Same could be said about broze swords, then iron swords, then steel swords and so on.

Exactly, it is about defense, you have the unalienable right to self defense. We could go back to when sticks and rocks were used.

 

[TheRealJohnCooper]

And yet you read my OP. What does that say about you? Don't waste my time with bullshit like that. This thread is for those who want to discuss stuff. You're beginning to sound like a bitching woman. Get off your period and leave me the Hell alone. I might be so inclined to put you on my ignore list.

Please do, pussy.

 

[weaponoffreedom]

Exactly, it is about defense, you have the unalienable right to self defense. We could go back to when sticks and rocks were used.

So it is also about those things used in defense, which are guns. That is what I meant

 

[Liquid Reigns]

So it is also about those things used in defense, which are guns. That is what I meant

Things, firearms, swords, rocks, sticks, hands, feet, car, etc, used in defense, are nothing more than tools. The 2nd Amendment merely says you have the right keep and to use a tool (arms) for self defense, and that right can not be infringed.

What would make the tool unalienable? Can a tool be unalienable?

 

[TheResister]

Please do, pussy.

You sound like a tough guy on the Internet. You must be projecting. If I wanted to use that kind of language with you, I'd do it face to face. You mother must have had sweet smelling pussy to have given birth to such a blooming idiot. Now quit projecting an leave me alone.

 

[TheResister]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/21/politics/guns-shootings-accountability-what-matters/index.html

Public hearings of the United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack - Wikipedia

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You have a long way to go in order to understand civics. What I'm talking about has nothing to do with Whoopi.

As president, Trump taunted Congress and said they wouldn't pass gun control because they were afraid of the NRA. He then said he could get gun control passed because he wasn't afraid of them. When you have Republicans that have that attitude, they can (and Trump will) dismantle the Second Amendment.

As governor, Ronald Reagan began that bizarre act of charging a person with the crime of carrying a firearm in the commission of a crime even if the firearm wasn't used in the crime! As president, Reagan signed a bill so that civilians could no longer buy / convert select fire weapons even though he couldn't cite a single instance where a legally owned weapon in that class had been used in a crime.

King George the Bush took NRA money and endorsement and once in office, he burned his NRA membership card on the White House lawn and denounced the NRA. He then signed an Executive Order to ban the importation of semi-automatic firearms into the U.S. An AK style rifle selling for $179 went up to $750 in one week. Try to buy an original today.

Junior George Bush said he would make the so - called Assault Weapons Ban permanent if Congress put the bill on his desk. Congress couldn't make it happen

As president, Trump chided Congress for not passing gun control. He wanted them to pass Red Flag Gun Laws, raise the age to buy a firearm, take firearms BEFORE due process and he wanted to ban high capacity magazines. He also pressured the BATFE to ban bump stocks. That set the precedent whereby Biden didn't have a firearm lobby to fear, so he followed Trump's lead outlawing forced reset triggers, 80 percent receivers, stabilizing braces, solvent traps, etc., etc. , etc.

Democrats discuss gun control; Republicans deliver and the right never stands up to them and says enough is enough. Without firearms, the American people can never insure the security of a free State and repel tyrants. Had Trump not shown how much of a toothless tiger the NRA was, Biden would have been reluctant to push gun control as hard as he did. How do I know? Biden was vice president under an anti gun president and didn't push for it then. Trump showed how weak the NRA was. Fortunately the GOA is THE gun Rights organization of America now. But, I won't waste my vote for anyone that wants to disarm me. If Trump steps up to the plate and acknowledges what he did and that he won't repeat it, I'll quit exposing him. Not before.

FINALLY, back to the rest of the story... After Trump, we will still have a country that has to be governed and at some point YOU will have to be determined to fight back or live like slaves.

 

[weaponoffreedom]

Things, firearms, swords, rocks, sticks, hands, feet, car, etc, used in defense, are nothing more than tools. The 2nd Amendment merely says you have the right keep and to use a tool (arms) for self defense, and that right can not be infringed.

What would make the tool unalienable? Can a tool be unalienable?

Depends on how the word is used. If by definition "impossible to take away", you are right, they all could be taken, but not the right to defense, that would be impossible to take away.

Cain killed able with a rock.

 

[TheResister]

Depends on how the word is used. If by definition "impossible to take away", you are right, they all could be taken, but not the right to defense, that would be impossible to take away.

Cain killed able with a rock.

I don't see what you're responding to (has to be one of the trolls I put on ignore). Your definition is that of unalienable, however.

If you get down to splitting hairs, there would be no Right to Life since any swinging soul on earth has he capability to kill you (whether on purpose or by accident). The real issue is that America was founded on the following presupposition:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." (an excerpt from the Declaration of Independence)

In order to insure that these unalienable Rights were held inviolate, the framers finally settled on the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is a limitation on government, not the individual. The Bill of Rights is your guarantee that the government cannot infringe, deny or usurp your unalienable Rights. If that happens, the people have the Right, the Duty, the Obligation to use force, if necessary, to repel a tyrannical government. See this for a complete discussion of the issue:

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[TheResister]

There is no longer a patriot right that identifies as Christian - constitutionalist. So, everything is under a microscope and the dregs from the left have successfully infiltrated every corner of our Republic and cast doubts on the foundational principles upon which this country was built.

Whether you remain free or submit to slavery will depend upon how much effort you put into understanding the fundamentals and how much commitment you have toward the preservation of your future. This battle will not be won by the masses (who have never prevailed), but rather by that tireless minority as Samuel Adams referred to them as.

Make no mistake. The Constitution is now a worthless piece of paper that the left and their proselytes wipe their ass on. Fake conservatives fall in line with the NEW WORLD ORDER and make excuses, buy into left wing drivel and do what is necessary to excuse themselves for not standing up for their Freedoms and Liberties. What is needed now is for someone to begin the process with a document that is a modern day Magna Carta or Declaration of Independence. That process was begun when The Charter and Proclamation of the Rights of Man was presented to the people of the United States. Either you believe in Freedom and Liberty or you don't:

Charter | US Resisters

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[weaponoffreedom]

there would be no Right to Life

Which I do not know that there really is a "right" to life.

There is a right to self defence, as it is part of free will. Life is not.

 

[TheResister]

Which I do not know that there really is a "right" to life.

There is a right to self defence, as it is part of free will. Life is not.

Again, it is a presupposition that the founders subscribed to in order to be able to live in a society governed by like minded people. If we boil it down to the least possible rationalization: You can only exist unless and until some force stronger than you takes you out.

The reality is, men are governed by other men. I'd rather have unalienable Rights than to be at the mercy of Democrats. Does all this mean you don't value the Rights protected in the Bill of Rights?

 

[weaponoffreedom]

Again, it is a presupposition that the founders subscribed to in order to be able to live in a society governed by like minded people. If we boil it down to the least possible rationalization: You can only exist unless and until some force stronger than you takes you out.

The reality is, men are governed by other men. I'd rather have unalienable Rights than to be at the mercy of Democrats. Does all this mean you don't value the Rights protected in the Bill of Rights?

No, I recognize that the only right we have is the right do do whatever the guy with the bigger guns lets us do, or die, one or the other. I think I have said this before. By in large, I do not bother much with "rights'.

 

[TheResister]

No, I recognize that the only right we have is the right do do whatever the guy with the bigger guns lets us do, or die, one or the other. I think I have said this before. By in large, I do not bother much with "rights'.

I don't agree, but will respect your opinion.

"...to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..." An excerpt from the Declaration of Independence

"You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments' rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe." -John Adams

" In Europe, charters of Liberty have been granted by power. America has set the example … of charters of power granted by Liberty. This revolution in the practice of the world, may, with an honest praise, be pronounced the most triumphant epoch of its history, and the most consoling presage of its happiness." James Madison (1792)

 

[weaponoffreedom]

In Europe, charters of Liberty have been granted by power. America has set the example … of charters of power granted by Liberty

This backs up my position, so maybe I can make it more clear. With a "hypothetical from history".

Lets say you are sitting in your living room, drinking coffee, watching the fake news, and all upon a sudden, you get a knock at you door. On the other side of the door is a team of military men, with rifles comers to your door and says "lets go". No court, no law no nothing. They take you to a place where you can only do what they say when they say it, or die. Those are your options. Now the only ability as opposed to a right ,that you have, is determined by someone else, not you. The right still exists, yes, just not for you.

One right you have that cannot be taken, on any reasonable level, is to resist, to defy, to defend. Of course you may not be successful, but at least you have what you have.

Great Legislator of the Universe." -John Adams

Devil worshiper, figured I would add that one in. An addition to another argument I have made in the past............much easier just to say GOD, but in their case, they dont want to let the cat out of the bag.

 

[TheResister]

This backs up my position, so maybe I can make it more clear. With a "hypothetical from history".

Lets say you are sitting in your living room, drinking coffee, watching the fake news, and all upon a sudden, you get a knock at you door. On the other side of the door is a team of military men, with rifles comers to your door and says "lets go". No court, no law no nothing. They take you to a place where you can only do what they say when they say it, or die. Those are your options. Now the only ability as opposed to a right ,that you have, is determined by someone else, not you. The right still exists, yes, just not for you.

One right you have that cannot be taken, on any reasonable level, is to resist, to defy, to defend. Of course you may not be successful, but at least you have what you have.

Devil worshiper, figured I would add that one in. An addition to another argument I have made in the past............much easier just to say GOD, but in their case, they dont want to let the cat out of the bag.

I have addressed that elsewhere (regarding the Devil worshiper) and you know where. Different discussion for a different place.

Again, with respect to the Right to keep and bear Arms, in terms of practical application we are in agreement. OTOH, let's carry this a step further:

Let us say that some JBTs knock your door down. But, let us say they aren't so successful. Your family or maybe a survival unit are prepared and they come out second best. There is your immediate legal defense.

What good is the Right to keep and bear Arms to insure the security of a free State AND protect your personal life / lives of others if you can't own a firearm or use it in self defense? The privilege of voting does NOTHING to insure that bad people (whether JBTs and/or criminals) won't attack you. You have to have what the times call for to deter the threat.

Secondly, if you are thrown into a civil war, you have to provide a moral and legal justification for your actions. It is upon that justification that you receive help and all kinds of support from the outside.

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[TeenPatriot]

In the constuition "Arms" refers to "firearms". The only people these gun bans are hurting is the law-abiding Americans. No gangster, or criminal or psychopath, is going to just give up their guns because the gov said to. they are going to keep doing what they've been doing, but now we the people can't defend ourselves.

 

[weaponoffreedom]

I have addressed that elsewhere (regarding the Devil worshiper) and you know where. Different discussion for a different place.

Again, with respect to the Right to keep and bear Arms, in terms of practical application we are in agreement. OTOH, let's carry this a step further:

Let us say that some JBTs knock your door down. But, let us say they aren't so successful. Your family or maybe a survival unit are prepared and they come out second best. There is your immediate legal defense.

What good is the Right to keep and bear Arms to insure the security of a free State AND protect your personal life / lives of others if you can't own a firearm or use it in self defense? The privilege of voting does NOTHING to insure that bad people (whether JBTs and/or criminals) won't attack you. You have to have what the times call for to deter the threat.

Secondly, if you are thrown into a civil war, you have to provide a moral and legal justification for your actions. It is upon that justification that you receive help and all kinds of support from the outside.

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I am with you on all that, but it is a different hypothetical. You still have, even though preemptively, in preparation, used your right to self defense. Whether or not they succeed is irrelevant.

 

[Golbez]

OP claims to be anti-leftist yet I have never seen him criticize them once. The DNC has shitted on the constitution more than anyone and they are closer to fascism than anyone and he spews the narrative that it's all Trump's fault when he's been out of power for 4 years, and he left office peacefully, even despite when there is clear evidence that there was corruption on the last election he lost like what is unfolding in the Georgia courts, which legitimizes his legal fight during the time.

I don't think he's realized he's backed himself into a corner that's basically him vs the entire forum. That's reflective of the reality of the American public currently. Quite frankly, that's nice to see.

 

[TheResister]

OP claims to be anti-leftist yet I have never seen him criticize them once. The DNC has shitted on the constitution more than anyone and they are closer to fascism than anyone and he spews the narrative that it's all Trump's fault when he's been out of power for 4 years, and he left office peacefully, even despite when there is clear evidence that there was corruption on the last election he lost like what is unfolding in the Georgia courts, which legitimizes his legal fight during the time.

I don't think he's realized he's backed himself into a corner that's basically him vs the entire forum. That's reflective of the reality of the American public currently. Quite frankly, that's nice to see.

If you believe what you just wrote, you are an absolute idiot. I would welcome you to research this board. I've said on numerous occasions that if Biden is elected, we are screwed. You're a bullshit artist that I have zero respect for.

In the course of my life I have been beaten, shot at, shot, run through the system, threatened, lied to, lied about, stalked, misrepresented so many times that I can't count them and now this board is subject to your dishonest bullshit. Hell son, this week alone, I had a thread here myself about Biden. Backed myself in a corner?

What kind of bad drugs do you do? I don't harp on the left because if you vote for Democrats then you have voted for the left wing, liberal, progressive, socialist, communist sexually depraved party that HATES every single foundational principle upon which the Republic was built. Why in the Hell would I waste breath or bandwidth telling you something you already know? Why not focus on the people that are screwing you in the ass with a smile on their face? And yet, rather than LOOK at the obvious, you want us to believe that anybody that dares criticize Trump is a liberal? What in the Hell is wrong with you?

In Georgia, Trump endorsed a Black former football player for U.S. Senate. That stooge claimed to have graduated college in the top of his class. Then it was revealed that the football player had mental issues, did not graduate in the top of his class and never graduated at all. He was deadbeat dad and all of his resume' was a lie. Needless to say, there were more qualified candidates. Trump gave that seat away. AND, if you want to dismiss it because the guy simply lied, then you miss something: You don't endorse people that you haven't vetted. If Trump didn't do that, he is not qualified to be president. He's incapable of doing the job.

Trump endorsed David Perdue whose record was so bad that he got his ass whipped in a couple of debates and Trump gave up on the guy when he failed to debate a young Jew that had never had a real job in his life. The reality was that Trump hated Gov. Kemp so bad that he endorsed a DEMOCRAT over the standing governor of Georgia.

Insofar as the election in Georgia, I know the Secretary of State personally. His son and my wife's son both lost their sons to drug overdoses only week's apart. We were at a gun show in the Atlanta area before the election and and we took time after the show to fellowship and pray. When Brad told me what Trump asked him to do, I'd have refused too. There is a legal way to challenge an election. Trump didn't do it. He wanted elected officials to break the law. Time you knew the facts. That has to burn your ass, but here is the straight dope on Trump:

The Plain Truth About Donald J. Trump | RESISTERS FORUM

I had intended to let the final two threads that I'm working on to be my last, but circumstances dictate that I do this. It's okay since I can wrap it up in - maybe ten posts so by post #15 you will

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Let me make this perfectly clear to you:

My family has spent many decades, wait go back to my grandparents, and you're looking at a century of unbroken activism on behalf of Liberty. If you live to be 100 you won't DO a fraction of what I've done. And I don't vote for Democrats; don't spend my money in their businesses; don't watch their crap on tv; don't compromise with them... and unlike Donald Trump, I don't kiss their asses on some false notion that Israelis are somehow God's chose people and / or that sandpit in Palestine represents the New Jerusalem. Pull your head out of the nether regions, wake up and realize one thing: I'm fighting to save a country. I'm not here to receive accolades from people - ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE TOO STUPID AND CHICKENSHIT TO USE THEIR BRAINS AND HAVE PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITHOUT ALLEGATIONS THEY WOULD NEVER UTTER TO MY FACE.

 

[TheResister]

OP claims to be anti-leftist yet I have never seen him criticize them once. The DNC has shitted on the constitution more than anyone and they are closer to fascism than anyone and he spews the narrative that it's all Trump's fault when he's been out of power for 4 years, and he left office peacefully, even despite when there is clear evidence that there was corruption on the last election he lost like what is unfolding in the Georgia courts, which legitimizes his legal fight during the time.

I don't think he's realized he's backed himself into a corner that's basically him vs the entire forum. That's reflective of the reality of the American public currently. Quite frankly, that's nice to see.

You may have a point, but for the generations to come, you and I might be too old to fight back and younger people don't have the opportunity to get those arms and training in the future.

 

[TheResister]

In the constuition "Arms" refers to "firearms". The only people these gun bans are hurting is the law-abiding Americans. No gangster, or criminal or psychopath, is going to just give up their guns because the gov said to. they are going to keep doing what they've been doing, but now we the people can't defend ourselves.

Thank you for acknowledging that. The problem today is that grown men care more about the scores of football games than they do the future of this country. Those of us who have been IN the patriot movement (for lack of a more descriptive adjective) have a few weapons and could build more given the technology of the day. I'm not so sure about your generation. So, I am trying to illustrate the apathy by sites the younger people falsely believe would have your back in a SHTF scenario.

Additionally there is going to be a country, a people and issues far beyond the next election. My hope is that you spend some time getting educated, prepared and networking with those who know how to survive and thrive in rough times.

 

[weaponoffreedom]

In the constuition "Arms" refers to "firearms".

no, it was never supposed to be limited to "firearms". Arms refers to weapons. Stick stones, machine guns etc.

No gangster, or criminal or psychopath, is going to just give up their guns because the gov said to.

correct

 

[Liquid Reigns]

I don't see what you're responding to (has to be one of the trolls I put on ignore). Your definition is that of unalienable, however.

If you get down to splitting hairs, there would be no Right to Life since any swinging soul on earth has he capability to kill you (whether on purpose or by accident). The real issue is that America was founded on the following presupposition:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." (an excerpt from the Declaration of Independence)

In order to insure that these unalienable Rights were held inviolate, the framers finally settled on the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is a limitation on government, not the individual. The Bill of Rights is your guarantee that the government cannot infringe, deny or usurp your unalienable Rights. If that happens, the people have the Right, the Duty, the Obligation to use force, if necessary, to repel a tyrannical government. See this for a complete discussion of the issue:

Unalienable OR Inalienable - it matters | RESISTERS FORUM

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The only thing you are showing is that you don't understand or even comprehend the word "unalienable". The only rights that are "unalienable" are the right to life (the right to self defense), the right of liberty (self determination), and the pursuit of happiness (identity).

No where in the US Constitution, nor its preamble, does it say/refer that any right, let alone the Bill of Rights, is "unalienable". The 2nd Amendment protects the peoples right to keep and bear arms (weapons, i.e. sticks, stones, knives, firearms, etc). This dates back to the proclamation of King Henry II of England, the Assize of Arms of 1181, where the obligation of all freemen of England to possess and bear arms in the service of king and realm and to swear allegiance to the king, on pain of "vengeance, not merely on their lands or chattels, but on their limbs". The assize stipulated precisely the military equipment that each man should have according to his rank and wealth. It further progressed via the English Bill of Rights of 1689, Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;
and as a side note, that very Bill also says that private armies are against the law, so now you know why private militias are illegal. keeping a standing army in time of peace, unless it be with consent of Parliament, is against law;

Unalienable rights are those that are not dependent on the laws or customs of any particular culture or government, i.e. the right to Life, Liberty, and to Pursue Happiness.

Legal rights, also called positive rights/laws, are those that are bestowed onto a person by a given legal system, i.e. the Assize of Arms and the English Bill of Rights, the requirement and then the granting of owning and possessing arms (military equipment) for their defense. The US Constitution protects the legal right to keep and bear arms.

Your forum is nothing more then a few clowns posting as if they are authoritative on given subjects due to their many years of "experience", that can't even comprehend basic English. LMFAO SMFH

 

[Liquid Reigns]

There is no longer a patriot right that identifies as Christian - constitutionalist. So, everything is under a microscope and the dregs from the left have successfully infiltrated every corner of our Republic and cast doubts on the foundational principles upon which this country was built.

Whether you remain free or submit to slavery will depend upon how much effort you put into understanding the fundamentals and how much commitment you have toward the preservation of your future. This battle will not be won by the masses (who have never prevailed), but rather by that tireless minority as Samuel Adams referred to them as.

Make no mistake. The Constitution is now a worthless piece of paper that the left and their proselytes wipe their ass on. Fake conservatives fall in line with the NEW WORLD ORDER and make excuses, buy into left wing drivel and do what is necessary to excuse themselves for not standing up for their Freedoms and Liberties. What is needed now is for someone to begin the process with a document that is a modern day Magna Carta or Declaration of Independence. That process was begun when The Charter and Proclamation of the Rights of Man was presented to the people of the United States. Either you believe in Freedom and Liberty or you don't:

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What happens when the tireless minority, i.e., you and your fellow clowns, fail to prevail due to your inability to comprehend the very documents you claim to be the champions of?

At no point is the US Constitution a worthless piece of paper. Do you even understand the words Freedoms and Liberties? Your lame Charter and Proclamation of the Rights of Man? That is a worthless piece of paper worthy of wiping ones ass with. fuknclwn