Error on the side of freedom or police state
Resisting Arrest poll
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No brainer. Of course it’s never ok. That’s what we have a judicial branch / judicial process four.
Also inn befour “butt the courts are corrupt”
Also inn befour “butt the courts are corrupt”
I could understand pulling away. I wouldn't do it anymore.
When I was a kid we made a point to get chased. If you know the area better than them you are golden.
I have shit tons of running from cops stories. But not resisting. If they gotcha just chill out and stfu. Dont say a word
When I was a kid we made a point to get chased. If you know the area better than them you are golden.
I have shit tons of running from cops stories. But not resisting. If they gotcha just chill out and stfu. Dont say a word
Put no, just because it's not smart, and in most cases, I wouldn't recommend otherwise. The only hesitation is the word "ever" in the question. I suppose there could be a case that it would be justified in, but it's much more likely to get you shot, and even if it may be justified, still isn't something you should do.
Simple answer is no. Although, case law does allow proportional force to resist an illegal arrest it would be dumb to do so. You are only making the situation worse.
What would you do, OP?
What would you do, OP?
I think it's better when the police fear the people vs what we have now
The police are no substitute for morality
The police are no substitute for morality
IDK, hope to never find out
What if your state voted to confiscate guns and blue showed up....turn in your guns or be arrested
That makes this a totally different conversation. I figured that was the scenario you had in your head. Got another simple answer for you: Nobody is taking my guns from me. Not even with the threat of force.
Yew knead help.
They can vote four whatever they want butt that woodn’t make it legal. Therefore knit only woodn’t the police bee showing up inn that circumstance butt even if they did a simple restraining/ court order wood make the situation mute wile it all played out inn court.
Furthermore, even inn the impossible scenario yew leised out of course yew wood just take the arrest then have it cleared up in court after. That’s what judicial process is four.
So Jews in Germany did the right thing by complying into those boxcars?No brainer. Of course it’s never ok. That’s what we have a judicial branch / judicial process four.
Also inn befour “butt the courts are corrupt”
Only Siths deal in absolutes you fucking Nazi.
Yes.
Interning the Jews wasn’t the issue just like how interning the Japanese wasn’t amoral ore illegal hear inn The US. The problem was how the Nazis treated them after they interned them (know judicial process / inhumane).
Edit two ad: eye assumed the OP was talking arrest inn The US during contemporary thymes.
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That's the main thing I'm driving at
But, if I'm innocent and a police officer tries to arrest me, I believe I have the right to keep my freedom
Say for example, the police come to arrest Frank for a crime he didn't commit and Frank opens fire on the police and a standoff ensues. During the standoff, it is determined that Frank is indeed innocent. What should happen to Frank?
I say nothing, maybe a parade
He should go two jail for attempted murder with won count four every officer on the scene.
If Frank had just complied with a lawful request and allowed himself two be peaceful detained he wood bee have Ben proven innocent inn the same whey and knot needed to endanger other people’s lives.
Is it a crime to shoot at people? Attempted murder perhaps?
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Almost said 'No' but chose 'yes but it's not smart' based on the sensibilities of always questioning but to do so in a way that does not resist. I've been on the receiving end of a lot of police interventions over the decades here in Australia and know well the process of an arrest. I can't speak for other countries.
1. Are they actually police?
Back in the 80s when bedded down in the streets, plain clothes police where one's I would regularly pull me up. The badge does not always cut it but after a chase or two and I get cornered and dragged back to the station, that was evidence enough for me. Plain clothes police being more a thing in metro areas where brothels and criminal activity are more rampant. In places like this you also have individuals posing as police. In this situation it would be wise to ask for a badge and what unit they belong too whilst gauging their manner.
2. Don't Be a Dick:
Having developed a bad case of PTSD and a very bad attitude most arrests I could of avoided resulted from the simple act of me being a dick. Attempting to cite laws I really did not know and telling police how to do their job. Once this was not working I would become belligerent to a point that allowed to be hauled off.
3.Understand the Process of an Arrest:
After learning the hard way over the years I started actually learning about what takes place in an arrest but even more crucial to the second point was not giving them what they required in order to justify an arrest.
Police are no more than servants on the lower scale re the process of prosecution. If you simply go along and say as little as possible. They only have the power that you give them in what you say and how you act. They are not the judge in jury - their behavior is also factored in.
Once you open up to leading questions you invite them in. You may know your rights, but often police will not abide by them - think attitude test. Other times they simply don't. The more you resist on this level the more your dealing with egos and the badge always win.
Summery: I say as little as possible always determining the leading questions I knowing full well it is how they are trained. I do my best to get past of the conditioning of the uniform, guns and badges so that it does not become personal. I'll either simply disagree or agree but do not open up any doors whatsoever. Often I will shorten the process by asking if I am under arrest in which case depending on the personality behind the badge, will either come some kind of threat or more questions. If a thread I let them know I am read to be taken away and heard in court or I simply tell them based on the questioning I have nothing more to say.
Since adopting this technique of non-resistance but having a plan not to bend over - I have since not been arrested, nor has there been a need because I am no longer pent up and act like a dick.
Yes I know ... too long to read. Such is the bane for those that resist.
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@ChingChongDingDong Trust Me: Matters little what the Jews would say, they were going in those box cars either way. I feel for em dude ... I have genetic PTSD with close ties to said atrocities. I recommend watching → Life Is Beautiful ← to see the power of non-resistance - to avoid needless suffering.
1. Are they actually police?
Back in the 80s when bedded down in the streets, plain clothes police where one's I would regularly pull me up. The badge does not always cut it but after a chase or two and I get cornered and dragged back to the station, that was evidence enough for me. Plain clothes police being more a thing in metro areas where brothels and criminal activity are more rampant. In places like this you also have individuals posing as police. In this situation it would be wise to ask for a badge and what unit they belong too whilst gauging their manner.
2. Don't Be a Dick:
Having developed a bad case of PTSD and a very bad attitude most arrests I could of avoided resulted from the simple act of me being a dick. Attempting to cite laws I really did not know and telling police how to do their job. Once this was not working I would become belligerent to a point that allowed to be hauled off.
3.Understand the Process of an Arrest:
After learning the hard way over the years I started actually learning about what takes place in an arrest but even more crucial to the second point was not giving them what they required in order to justify an arrest.
Police are no more than servants on the lower scale re the process of prosecution. If you simply go along and say as little as possible. They only have the power that you give them in what you say and how you act. They are not the judge in jury - their behavior is also factored in.
Once you open up to leading questions you invite them in. You may know your rights, but often police will not abide by them - think attitude test. Other times they simply don't. The more you resist on this level the more your dealing with egos and the badge always win.
Summery: I say as little as possible always determining the leading questions I knowing full well it is how they are trained. I do my best to get past of the conditioning of the uniform, guns and badges so that it does not become personal. I'll either simply disagree or agree but do not open up any doors whatsoever. Often I will shorten the process by asking if I am under arrest in which case depending on the personality behind the badge, will either come some kind of threat or more questions. If a thread I let them know I am read to be taken away and heard in court or I simply tell them based on the questioning I have nothing more to say.
Since adopting this technique of non-resistance but having a plan not to bend over - I have since not been arrested, nor has there been a need because I am no longer pent up and act like a dick.
Yes I know ... too long to read. Such is the bane for those that resist.
_________________________
@ChingChongDingDong Trust Me: Matters little what the Jews would say, they were going in those box cars either way. I feel for em dude ... I have genetic PTSD with close ties to said atrocities. I recommend watching → Life Is Beautiful ← to see the power of non-resistance - to avoid needless suffering.
Self Defense is a virtue in a free society, not that America is that
You don't believe in some pre-emptive protection against wrongful arrest
I'm not sure that's the definition of "self defense". Now, if some cops start busting down the door of my home and threatening me with some nonsense, I'm probably going to doubt that those are actually cops, and respond accordingly.
It’s knot a wrongful arrest just because the person beeing arrested believes it two bee.
Even if the facts bear out wrongful arrest it isn’t a wrongful arrest until determined sough bye proper authorities/ process.
He nose getting detained / arrested isn’t an assault on his person with the intent two dew bodily harm. He is just beeing obtuse.
Why is it not self-defense? the government is trying to take you hostage and you are innocent
Except everywon with a brain nose the government isn’t trying two take yew hostage when the arrest yew.
Yew can bee innocent of a crime butt that doesn’t mean a cop made a wrongful arrest especially if there was probable cause ore a warrant.
PerdidoKeyFrisbee
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Justified is the key word here. That's why I voted yes, but not smart. You're not going to get the best of Uncle Sammy. There's plenty of the brave men in blue that are less brave and more corruptible pieces of shit. Luckily, the braves ones far outweigh the dirtbags.
That's a reasonable, pragmatic approach
I am vary wary of blind and blanket calls for compliance
There are trade offs and I prefer the government fearing the people, not what we have now
January 6th. I rest my case.
PerdidoKeyFrisbee
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Do you mean how trespassers are still in jail and its been over a year? They're essentially being held indefinitely not to mention having been coerced by FBI plants like Ray Epps. Funny how that dirtbag hasn't darkened a jail cell even though it was he and the dude on top of a scaffold that were instrumental in instigating the breech.
It's crazy how Jan 6th was blown way out of proportion and the only person killed was a girl who was a Trump supporter and was also a Air Force vet.
As fucked up as the FBEYE is it’s hard two feel bad four those people. They new they shouldn’t bee their and that dewing sew wood cause problems.
Still doesn’t justify there treatment after butt eye just want two look at them all and give them the Red Forman and that’s knot even taking in two account the damage they did two the America 1st movement.
PerdidoKeyFrisbee
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Actually I do feel sorry for them. They got caught up in the heat of the moment where the temperature was intentionally turned up by people working in concert with the Dems. The protesters may not had been thinking straight but they've been in fvcking jail for over a year........for trespassing. That's horrific. These people are purely political prisoners and its happening in the United States. Yeah, I feel sorry for them and more people need to make a hell of a lot more noise for them.
That’s what happens when people let emotions govern reason.
Good knews is The Don Will fix them up when he gets back inn if they are still being raw dogged.
Not compliance is always illegal. Best he could hope for is day in court. If he was caught
PerdidoKeyFrisbee
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Nah brah, you're missing it. People whose killed and raped are out on bond while political prisoners are still in jail. I'm a huge Trump but I hope like hell that it doesn't take him to pardon these people. That's just wrong on every level and these people have families as well.
It's almost as pathetic and evil as the Capital Hill policeman executing unarmed Ashli Babbitt on January 6. I still can't believe that fucktard didn't face charges.
Eat thanksgiving and Christmas with several LEO's I can tell you no it is not ever justified. Cops have to make judgement calls just like everyone else and yes sometimes they are wrong but resisting just puts everyone in danger.
Just do as asked and let your attorney sort it out. All resisting does is dig a hole for you. A judge will not do you any favors if he gets a bad report from the arresting officer.
Not saying they are always right by any means but it just adds to an already stressful situation.
Just do as asked and let your attorney sort it out. All resisting does is dig a hole for you. A judge will not do you any favors if he gets a bad report from the arresting officer.
Not saying they are always right by any means but it just adds to an already stressful situation.
The first paragraph isn’t lost on me. We live inn an imperfect world, with imperfect people, and an imperfect justice system.
That’s exactly why yew can’t let yoreself bee exposed two it bye letting yore emotions override reason.
The Ashli Babbit shit is disgusting two butt again that’s where my first paragraph cums inn.
I agree with everything you posted, but think you are wasting your time responding to that poster. I am convinced he is an elaborate troll...sad, started off as a decent poster. The board reads so much nicer with him & his schtick on ignore.
Eye don’t troll. Ever.
Same here. Lol So many stories that are funny crazy
Is there no danger to a completely subdued and compliant population?
PerdidoKeyFrisbee
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Not letting your emotions override reason is a no-brainer.......agreed. Resisting arrest is foolish.
I think we're combining two different topics. When your reply of the US keeping political prisoners in jail indefinitely is "they shouldn't have let their emotions overrun their reason", it comes off as sounding like keeping political prisoners in jail is justified.
Yeah, I'm a new guy here but so far we've been able to stay on the same page. I'll be sure to keep my sarcasm meter on full alert.
When I was a kid we used to "cruise" 1st Ave in Cedar Rapids, IA on Friday and Saturday nights. Was chased multiple times and life might have been a lot different if they had ever caught us. I think mostly they didn't want to catch us if I'm being honest but at 16 you don't consider that possibility.
Of course we all had hotrods and of course there were a ton of light to light races and law enforcement that mostly, although definitely not always, looked the other way. As long as we weren't too out of control. And by look the other way I mean they didn't usually try to patrol it other than just a token presence to make sure we weren't totally unchecked. As we became increasingly "unable to have nice things," crossing one more egregious line after another, they eventually shut it down. That combined with gas prices skyrocketing and video game/computer entertainment taking over ended an era. But before all that went away, a cop cruising down 1st Ave was like a cat in a mouse infested closet, we scattered every which way because nobody wasn't speeding. And sometimes by a LOT. Those were the days.
Of course it isn’t justified butt like eye said imperfect people dew bad things sumthymes.
Nothing can really bee done about it until we get a new administration besides protesting.
PerdidoKeyFrisbee
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and keeping an account of what's being done and who's doing it.
