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[Jtrain80]

Setting the Record Straight; Stuff You Should Know About Ukraine - The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity

On February 16, 2022, a full week before Putin sent combat troops into Ukraine, the Ukrainian Army began the heavy bombardment of the area (in east Ukraine) occupied by mainly ethnic Russians. Officials from the Observer Mission of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE)...

ronpaulinstitute.org

Ron Paul's take on the Ukraine War.

 

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[Jtrain80]

Did anyone else know about Ukraine shelling the citizens of the Donbas a week before the invasion?

I knew that they indiscriminately killing those people, not that they were using artillery to do it.

 

[sanction]

Very interesting.

 

[PeytonMooning]

I know when I need a trusted source for information I go to the Ron Paul Institute website.

 

[AmericanViking]

Did anyone else know about Ukraine shelling the citizens of the Donbas a week before the invasion?

I knew that they indiscriminately killing those people, not that they were using artillery to do it.

Yeah but only because of the conspiracy thread. There’s a major human trafficking ring there stealing those people too. It also looks like Ukraine may have recently used chemical weapons.

 

[AmericanViking]

I know when I need a trusted source for information I go to the Ron Paul Institute website.

Better than the MSM

 

[ttyh]

I know when I need a trusted source for information I go to the Ron Paul Institute website.

He is about as straight a shooter as anyone who has entered the American political arena in our lifetimes.

 

[PeytonMooning]

Better than the MSM

He is about as straight a shooter as anyone who has entered the American political arena in our lifetimes.

The fact that he has a .org and can't figure out how to get a SSL certificate for his site immediately eliminates his opinions being valid for me.

Not to mention that linked article is literally the most retarded take I've seen on the Ukrainian conflict.

"They shelled their own people so Russia is justified." Simply a lack of understanding of the geopolitics in that region along with twisting reality. Pro Russian separatists in that region have been fighting with Ukrainian nationalists for years.

Who gives a shit who provoked the war? It's a war. Our government picked a side. If you want Russia to win I'm sure they'll gladly accept your assistance in Ukraine. Then you can be slaughtered by American artillery charging heavily fortified Ukrainian positions across an open field like these retards are right now.

I've seen some of the dumbest takes on this war on this board. "Ukrainians are Nazis! Putin is fighting the Rothschild family!" You've taken the red pill of retardation if you believe that shit. The whole Nazi thing is a little more complicated than you think, and considering actual Nazis thought these people were sub human along with the fact that Zelensky is a Jew, you would think people would figure out what's actually going on.

I'm not sure how the American right is so heavily influenced by Russian propaganda, but it's a thing. Just remember there is no right and wrong in war, just winners and losers. The winners get to dictate who is right and who is wrong.

 

[ttyh]

The fact that he has a .org and can't figure out how to get a SSL certificate for his site immediately eliminates his opinions being valid for me.

Not to mention that linked article is literally the most retarded take I've seen on the Ukrainian conflict.

"They shelled their own people so Russia is justified." Simply a lack of understanding of the geopolitics in that region along with twisting reality. Pro Russian separatists in that region have been fighting with Ukrainian nationalists for years.

Who gives a shit who provoked the war? It's a war. Our government picked a side. If you want Russia to win I'm sure they'll gladly accept your assistance in Ukraine. Then you can be slaughtered by American artillery charging heavily fortified Ukrainian positions across an open field like these retards are right now.

I've seen some of the dumbest takes on this war on this board. "Ukrainians are Nazis! Putin is fighting the Rothschild family!" You've taken the red pill of retardation if you believe that shit. The whole Nazi thing is a little more complicated than you think, and considering actual Nazis thought these people were sub human along with the fact that Zelensky is a Jew, you would think people would figure out what's actually going on.

I'm not sure how the American right is so heavily influenced by Russian propaganda, but it's a thing. Just remember there is no right and wrong in war, just winners and losers. The winners get to dictate who is right and who is wrong.

Congrats on surpassing that threshold. Send more tanks! Ukraine needs F-16s! Pray for Ukraine!

The place is literally the epicenter of global corruption and from any logical perspective Putin is simply cleaning up his backyard of the corruption and western ideologies that encroached too far despite Russia's repeated warnings to the USA and NATO. We started this war 9 years ago with the Maidan Revolution.

Everyone on this board and who is paying even the slightest bit of attention should understand why this proxy war is being waged in Ukraine. Hint: it's not to preserve Democracy for an authoritarian regime.

 

[PeytonMooning]

Congrats on surpassing that threshold. Send more tanks! Ukraine needs F-16s! Pray for Ukraine!

The place is literally the epicenter of global corruption and from any logical perspective Putin is simply cleaning up his backyard of the corruption and western ideologies that encroached too far despite Russia's repeated warnings to the USA and NATO. We started this war 9 years ago with the Maidan Revolution.

Everyone on this board and who is paying even the slightest bit of attention should understand why this proxy war is being waged in Ukraine.

So your take is that Putin has the authority to go into another country to clean up corruption by force? What do you think happens when he's done with Ukraine?

I haven't been paying attention so why don't you enlighten me? Does it have something to do with the Rothschild family or globalism?

 

[ttyh]

So your take is that Putin has the authority to go into another country to clean up corruption by force? What do you think happens when he's done with Ukraine?

I haven't been paying attention so why don't you enlighten me? Does it have something to do with the Rothschild family or globalism?

Pay attention prior to offering up your hot takes.

 

[sanction]

The fact that he has a .org and can't figure out how to get a SSL certificate for his site immediately eliminates his opinions being valid for me.

Not to mention that linked article is literally the most retarded take I've seen on the Ukrainian conflict.

"They shelled their own people so Russia is justified." Simply a lack of understanding of the geopolitics in that region along with twisting reality. Pro Russian separatists in that region have been fighting with Ukrainian nationalists for years.

Who gives a shit who provoked the war? It's a war. Our government picked a side. If you want Russia to win I'm sure they'll gladly accept your assistance in Ukraine. Then you can be slaughtered by American artillery charging heavily fortified Ukrainian positions across an open field like these retards are right now.

I've seen some of the dumbest takes on this war on this board. "Ukrainians are Nazis! Putin is fighting the Rothschild family!" You've taken the red pill of retardation if you believe that shit. The whole Nazi thing is a little more complicated than you think, and considering actual Nazis thought these people were sub human along with the fact that Zelensky is a Jew, you would think people would figure out what's actually going on.

I'm not sure how the American right is so heavily influenced by Russian propaganda, but it's a thing. Just remember there is no right and wrong in war, just winners and losers. The winners get to dictate who is right and who is wrong.

LOL

 

[PeytonMooning]

Pay attention prior to offering up your hot takes.

Pay attention where? No way I'm reading that faggle thread, my NSA agent has enough shit to worry about with me.

Spell it out. What grand conspiracy is in the works now? Biden and Zelensky planning on having an orgy with the Rothschild family and creating a super STD that only Putin can prevent? You are the one with the hot takes. I literally just read battlefield reports and try to figure out each side's next move. You guys are the ones with the hot takes on the politics of the war and what secret forces we're up against.

 

[ttyh]

It's as if a CNN War Correspondent has joined the discussion. You're right, we should send another $100B in aid to help save democracy.

 

[BurntJ]

Setting the Record Straight; Stuff You Should Know About Ukraine - The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity

On February 16, 2022, a full week before Putin sent combat troops into Ukraine, the Ukrainian Army began the heavy bombardment of the area (in east Ukraine) occupied by mainly ethnic Russians. Officials from the Observer Mission of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE)...

ronpaulinstitute.org

Ron Paul's take on the Ukraine War.

Bro you NAILED this thread title.......

You got a traitor amongst us to drop his cover and go full Globalist.

I vote this as the "Best Thread EVER" here (so far). Hopefully we can get more of these going.

 

[PeytonMooning]

It's as if a CNN War Correspondent has joined the discussion. You're right, we should send another $100B in aid to help save democracy.

Are you going to continue to be a fucking retard or are you going to give me something outside of a bullshit .org that claims Russia is legally invading a sovereign nation under Article 51?

Here's a few easy questions for you:

What does far right mean in this part of the world (Eastern Ukraine)? In other words, what are their core beliefs?

What do you consider the worst thing Nazi Germany did? What does someone living in Eastern Ukraine consider the worst thing Nazi Germany did?

I just want to get a basic understanding of what this board knows about this part of the world.

 

[Viking]

Ukraine was and is Russian. Zelensky is a puppet of the cabal and America and it's warriors past and present have no interest in dying for some Nazi scum. NATO picked and picked at this old Russian scab till the Russians had had enough. I would be more interested in wanting to know why the elitists are maniacal in their desire to destroy the ethnic Russian people. That's all that are dying there, Russians.

 

[PeytonMooning]

Bro you NAILED this thread title.......

You got a traitor amongst us to drop his cover and go full Globalist.

I vote this as the "Best Thread EVER" here (so far). Hopefully we can get more of these going.

Are you calling me a traitor? I've been on 4 1/2 deployments under the flag most of you have on your avatar. Maybe I'm on the wrong board.

 

[Joe Kings]

The fact that he has a .org and can't figure out how to get a SSL certificate for his site immediately eliminates his opinions being valid for me.

Not to mention that linked article is literally the most retarded take I've seen on the Ukrainian conflict.

"They shelled their own people so Russia is justified." Simply a lack of understanding of the geopolitics in that region along with twisting reality. Pro Russian separatists in that region have been fighting with Ukrainian nationalists for years.

Who gives a shit who provoked the war? It's a war. Our government picked a side. If you want Russia to win I'm sure they'll gladly accept your assistance in Ukraine. Then you can be slaughtered by American artillery charging heavily fortified Ukrainian positions across an open field like these retards are right now.

I've seen some of the dumbest takes on this war on this board. "Ukrainians are Nazis! Putin is fighting the Rothschild family!" You've taken the red pill of retardation if you believe that shit. The whole Nazi thing is a little more complicated than you think, and considering actual Nazis thought these people were sub human along with the fact that Zelensky is a Jew, you would think people would figure out what's actually going on.

I'm not sure how the American right is so heavily influenced by Russian propaganda, but it's a thing. Just remember there is no right and wrong in war, just winners and losers. The winners get to dictate who is right and who is wrong.

This response is exactly what you accuse the article of.

 

[Joe Kings]

Are you calling me a traitor? I've been on 4 1/2 deployments under the flag most of you have on your avatar. Maybe I'm on the wrong board.

What is your take on the situation?

 

[ttyh]

Are you going to continue to be a fucking retard or are you going to give me something outside of a bullshit .org that claims Russia is legally invading a sovereign nation under Article 51?

Here's a few easy questions for you:

What does far right mean in this part of the world (Eastern Ukraine)? In other words, what are their core beliefs?

What do you consider the worst thing Nazi Germany did? What does someone living in Eastern Ukraine consider the worst thing Nazi Germany did?

I just want to get a basic understanding of what this board knows about this part of the world.

We can back it up even a little further to see what you understand. Does the vast majority of the citizenry(~80%) of what is now known as Ukraine want to live under Russian rule or Zelensky rule?

 

[ttyh]

And a bonus question. Who installed Zelensky as the leader of Ukraine and who does that benefit most?

 

[Viking]

What they call Ukraine now was also part of the homeland of the Khazars, think Silk Road and no not the internet site. You should read up on these beauties. May give you some insight on why they hate ethnic Caucasians. Who indecently are under attack around the world. Should make you go, hmmmm. SKOL!

 

[PeytonMooning]

Ukraine was and is Russian. Zelensky is a puppet of the cabal and America and it's warriors past and present have no interest in dying for some Nazi scum. NATO picked and picked at this old Russian scab till the Russians had had enough. I would be more interested in wanting to know why the elitists are maniacal in their desire to destroy the ethnic Russian people. That's all that are dying there, Russians.

And we were British.

Does anyone here actually think NATO was planning to invade Russia? Every bit of intelligence we have suggest Russia is on the decline. Look at their military for God's sake, they can't even take out the poorest and most corrupt country in Europe. They can't even put one functional aircraft carrier in service. They are weak. NATO was perfectly willing to let Russia crumble on its own.

Look at NATO, look at the politicians in Europe. Russia would have been better served to let liberalism run its course and laugh while the pussification of NATO countries continued. All the while these countries would have become more and more dependent on Russian energy in an effort to stop the natural cycle of climate change.

Now we have a fight, and it's in everyone's best interest to continue it outside of Ukraine and Russia. We are giving billions in weapons to Ukraine, and they'll be in debt to us for the next 4 generations. Russia is sending thousands of prisoners to their death. Ukraine is summarily executing Wagner fighters even when they surrender because they aren't protected by international law, and the regular Russian military is perfectly okay with that because they see it as cleansing their population, and they want the glory of victory.

In the end this is a money grab for the MIC. Why aren't we giving Ukraine tanks that are in storage? Why are we contracting new tanks for Ukraine? Money.

It's as simple as that. The root of all evil. There's not a grand conspiracy, it's just an opportunity to to line pockets and seize power over another country. Ukrainians believe their propaganda and Russians believe theirs. Why this board is buying the Russian propaganda is beyond me.

What is your take on the situation?

See above. I don't doubt each side believes their own propaganda. There wouldn't be a fight otherwise.

We can back it up even a little further to see what you understand. Does the vast majority of the citizenry(~80%) of what is now known as Ukraine want to live under Russian rule or Zelensky rule?

Russia certainly believed Ukraine wanted Russian rule. And there are multiple Pro Russian Separatists groups in Ukraine. The fact that Ukraine has put up such stiff resistance proves that 80% statistic is propaganda. There wouldn't be much resistance if it were true. 20% of Ukraine would stand no chance against Russia. Yet here they are still fighting. Russia was counting on that statistic being true, which is why they thought this "special military operation" would last a few weeks. They thought they would be welcomed as liberators. Now Russia is closing in on 300k casualties and their military is decimated.

 

[ttyh]

We are just going to agree to disagree on this one, brother. Thanks for your service.

 

[Viking]

And we were British.

Does anyone here actually think NATO was planning to invade Russia? Every bit of intelligence we have suggest Russia is on the decline. Look at their military for God's sake, they can't even take out the poorest and most corrupt country in Europe. They can't even put one functional aircraft carrier in service. They are weak. NATO was perfectly willing to let Russia crumble on its own.

Look at NATO, look at the politicians in Europe. Russia would have been better served to let liberalism run its course and laugh while the pussification of NATO countries continued. All the while these countries would have become more and more dependent on Russian energy in an effort to stop the natural cycle of climate change.

Now we have a fight, and it's in everyone's best interest to continue it outside of Ukraine and Russia. We are giving billions in weapons to Ukraine, and they'll be in debt to us for the next 4 generations. Russia is sending thousands of prisoners to their death. Ukraine is summarily executing Wagner fighters even when they surrender because they aren't protected by international law, and the regular Russian military is perfectly okay with that because they see it as cleansing their population, and they want the glory of victory.

In the end this is a money grab for the MIC. Why aren't we giving Ukraine tanks that are in storage? Why are we contracting new tanks for Ukraine? Money.

It's as simple as that. The root of all evil. There's not a grand conspiracy, it's just an opportunity to to line pockets and seize power over another country. Ukrainians believe their propaganda and Russians believe theirs. Why this board is buying the Russian propaganda is beyond me.



See above. I don't doubt each side believes their own propaganda. There wouldn't be a fight otherwise.



Russia certainly believed Ukraine wanted Russian rule. And there are multiple Pro Russian Separatists groups in Ukraine. The fact that Ukraine has put up such stiff resistance proves that 80% statistic is propaganda. There wouldn't be much resistance if it were true. 20% of Ukraine would stand no chance against Russia. Yet here they are still fighting. Russia was counting on that statistic being true, which is why they thought this "special military operation" would last a few weeks. They thought they would be welcomed as liberators. Now Russia is closing in on 300k casualties and their military is decimated.

You are just spouting out propaganda. Nothing you just said is remotely true.
Question for you brainiac. Who fought in the Crimean War? Hell, when Hitler invaded Russia did he go through Ukraine first? NATO, EU, and sadly our industrial war machine wanted this conflict. You become more syspicious with every post.

 

[AmericanViking]

Are you calling me a traitor? I've been on 4 1/2 deployments under the flag most of you have on your avatar. Maybe I'm on the wrong board.

That doesn’t mean shit. I did the same with brainwashed doofbags too. You’d get along well with them. Oh, and thanks for revealing how out of touch and shallow you are as well.

 

[AmericanViking]

You are just spouting out propaganda. Nothing you just said is remotely true.
Question for you brainiac. Who fought in the Crimean War? Hell, when Hitler invaded Russia did he go through Ukraine first? NATO, EU, and sadly our industrial war machine wanted this conflict. You become more syspicious with every post.

He’s beyond the point of help. Instablock

 

[PeytonMooning]

You are just spouting out propaganda. Nothing you just said is remotely true.
Question for you brainiac. Who fought in the Crimean War? Hell, when Hitler invaded Russia did he go through Ukraine first? NATO, EU, and sadly our industrial war machine wanted this conflict. You become more syspicious with every post.

The Crimean War was fought between Russia, the Ottoman Empire, France, and Britain. In the 1850s.

Nothing I said is remotely true and then you end your post by essentially echoing exactly what I said. I'm a little confused.

@AmericanViking don't be a bitch. I'm not 100% right about all of this but neither are any of you. Everyone is brainwashed to a degree. I know what I did and I knew it while I was doing it. I killed people who lived in a different part of the world, under a different flag, who worshipped a different God, all to the benefit of someone who never fought a day in their life nor will they ever. I probably had more in common with the people I fought than the people who were benefitting from my actions. But I'm still here and that's what my primary motivation was at the time. If I live, I will kill you. If I die, you are forgiven. The rule of honor. I wouldn't call the people I fought with "brainwashed doofbags" either. Most of them were there because they didn't have other options. Everyone who fights has to be brainwashed to some degree, because even a child can kill someone with a weapon. It's a fool's errand.

 

[Viking]

I remember when people knew about Ukraine because of a phone call orange man bad made about corruption and then we got blessed with Col. Vindman and that gang of morons calling for his impeachment. I also recall the color revolution brought to us by Hillary and the Obama cartel. I also recall peace treaties broken over and over by the very corrupt government our color revolution put in power. Then sanctions on Russia because these thugs were bombing the regions that voted to become independent of the Kiev cartel. I recall all this and look at what is being told to us by mainstream media and people like you and it does not square up. We may not have the whole truth but we are pretty close to finding out what the cabal was up to there. SKOL!

 

[AmericanViking]

The Crimean War was fought between Russia, the Ottoman Empire, France, and Britain. In the 1850s.

Nothing I said is remotely true and then you end your post by essentially echoing exactly what I said. I'm a little confused.

@AmericanViking don't be a bitch. I'm not 100% right about all of this but neither are any of you. Everyone is brainwashed to a degree. I know what I did and I knew it while I was doing it. I killed people who lived in a different part of the world, under a different flag, who worshipped a different God, all to the benefit of someone who never fought a day in their life nor will they ever. I probably had more in common with the people I fought than the people who were benefitting from my actions. But I'm still here and that's what my primary motivation was at the time. If I live, I will kill you. If I die, you are forgiven. The rule of honor. I wouldn't call the people I fought with "brainwashed doofbags" either. Most of them were there because they didn't have other options. Everyone who fights has to be brainwashed to some degree, because even a child can kill someone with a weapon. It's a fool's errand.

Guessing you won’t eat at a restaurant that doesn’t have its own website and just puts it on Facebook instead.

 

[Jtrain80]

Yeah but only because of the conspiracy thread. There’s a major human trafficking ring there stealing those people too. It also looks like Ukraine may have recently used chemical weapons.

I went to college w a Ukrainian and called him in 2014 when all this started. His opinion of his home country and its citizens was very telling.


One of the hottest things I have ever seen was this female Ukrainian tennis player at OSU open a can of tuna fish with a butter knife and a screw driver.

 

[PeytonMooning]

I remember when people knew about Ukraine because of a phone call orange man bad made about corruption and then we got blessed with Col. Vindman and that gang of morons calling for his impeachment. I also recall the color revolution brought to us by Hillary and the Obama cartel. I also recall peace treaties broken over and over by the very corrupt government our color revolution put in power. Then sanctions on Russia because these thugs were bombing the regions that voted to become independent of the Kiev cartel. I recall all this and look at what is being told to us by mainstream media and people like you and it does not square up. We may not have the whole truth but we are pretty close to finding out what the cabal was up to there. SKOL!

That's great. Like I've said many times, I don't pay attention the MSM. I also didn't have anything to do with that other shit nor did I peddle it.

Guessing you won’t eat at a restaurant that doesn’t have its own website and just puts it on Facebook instead.

I have no fucking clue what this means. My diet mainly consists of protein shakes, pussy, and pot brownies. Unfortunately they don't have restaurants like that. Yet.

 

[t_money86]

You are just spouting out propaganda. Nothing you just said is remotely true.
Question for you brainiac. Who fought in the Crimean War? Hell, when Hitler invaded Russia did he go through Ukraine first? NATO, EU, and sadly our industrial war machine wanted this conflict. You become more syspicious with every post.

He's not suspicious. He just has shit for brains. Sad

 

[hmt5000]

And one of the things that led to the Donbas to want out was the murders in Odessa. Over 200 people were put in a building and it was set on fire for protesting the coup. Over 40 people died before they could be rescued. The protest from that murder spree is what led to the fighting in the Donbas.





"Slava Ukraine" sound familiar?