Homeschooling stats

[America 1st]

 

[Pillow Pants]

I wonder how many of those are just parents who are terrified to leave their house and/or have their children leave the house. I'd imagine it's a tiny percent, but I'd still like to know.

Similarly, I'd like to know how many are doing this because they are fed up with the government's horseshit and want to ensure their children aren't indoctrinated.

 

[ChicagoFats]

I wonder how many of those are just parents who are terrified to leave their house and/or have their children leave the house. I'd imagine it's a tiny percent, but I'd still like to know.

Similarly, I'd like to know how many are doing this because they are fed up with the government's horseshit and want to ensure their children aren't indoctrinated.

I'm surprised how many well educated people around me are scared for their kids. To the point where a couple have mentioned not sending them to school and of course they always wear masks. Maybe I'm missing something, but every thing i read says that kids have less chance of dying from Covid than the flu. You can't live your life scared of your own shadow.

My conclusion is that those people mainline XNN all day

 

[GPSooner]

I wonder how many of those are just parents who are terrified to leave their house and/or have their children leave the house. I'd imagine it's a tiny percent, but I'd still like to know.

Similarly, I'd like to know how many are doing this because they are fed up with the government's horseshit and want to ensure their children aren't indoctrinated.

My wife and I have had the conversation that if our school starts teaching CRT or talking to our kids about transgenders etc. we are gonna pull them out and either send them to Catholic School (we aren't Catholic) or home school.

 

[Old Glory]

Some snippets from the article:

• Taxpayers spend an average of $15,240 per pupil annually in public schools, plus capital expenditures (National Education Association, 2021). Today’s roughly 4.5 million homeschool students represent a savings of over $68 billion for taxpayers. This is $68 billion that American taxpayers do not have to spend.

• The home-educated typically score 15 to 30 percentile points above public-school students on standardized academic achievement tests. (The public school average is the 50th percentile; scores range from 1 to 99.) A 2015 study found Black homeschool students to be scoring 23 to 42 percentile points above Black public school students (Ray, 2015).
• 78% of peer-reviewed studies on academic achievement show homeschool students perform statistically significantly better than those in institutional schools (Ray, 2017).
• Homeschool students score above average on achievement tests regardless of their parents’ level of formal education or their family’s household income.
• Whether homeschool parents were ever certified teachers is not related to their children’s academic achievement.
• Degree of state control and regulation of homeschooling is not related to academic achievement.
• Home-educated students typically score above average on the SAT and ACT tests that colleges consider for admissions.
• Homeschool students are increasingly being actively recruited by colleges.

 

[imprimis]

Home school students can also get through their lessons quicker when all the distractions at school are eliminated. Unfortunately, social interaction suffers although psychological issues from wearing masks are eliminated. It can be explained to kids about the virus but they don't understand since they aren't getting sick especially the younger they are. They think they are being punished which is obscene.

 

[Old Glory]

Home school students can also get through their lessons quicker when all the distractions at school are eliminated. Unfortunately, social interaction suffers although psychological issues from wearing masks are eliminated. It can be explained to kids about the virus but they don't understand since they aren't getting sick especially the younger they are. They think they are being punished which is obscene.

Find some other people around you homeschooling their kids as well and schedule lunch, playtime/recess, or some sort of class where one parent knows something the other doesn't (i.e. shop class). I don't know how much leeway there is with the schedule but that is just me spitballing.

 

[imprimis]

Find some other people around you homeschooling their kids as well and schedule lunch, playtime/recess, or some sort of class where one parent knows something the other doesn't (i.e. shop class). I don't know how much leeway there is with the schedule but that is just me spitballing.

Parents have to innovate. One positive about all this Wuhan Charlie bullshit is parents are forced to interact with their kids versus turning them over to the school "daycare". A negative is many parents are clueless about teaching or have intelligence higher than their kids. Maybe they are being forced to learn too.

I overheard a conversation between two teachers many years ago. They were saying that they see too many 14-15 year old girls becoming mothers when they haven't even experienced childhood.

 

[Old Glory]

Parents have to innovate. One positive about all this Wuhan Charlie bullshit is parents are forced to interact with their kids versus turning them over to the school "daycare". A negative is many parents are clueless about teaching or have intelligence higher than their kids. Maybe they are being forced to learn too.

I overheard a conversation between two teachers many years ago. They were saying that they see too many 14-15 year old girls becoming mothers when they haven't even experienced childhood.

Agreed that many parents are clueless on how to parent. It's a learning process for sure and I'm grateful that we have the internet to learn from. But my wife and I want to learn, we want to be better so our kids can be better and that is something many people miss, not just being parents but so many people are fine with the status quo, whether at their job, their health, etc.

We've been lucky with ours that our daycare is great. Count me in the group of I don't know how to teach them but I also recognize that and would do what it takes to learn how to teach them, which I know many people are lazy and wouldn't want to. Can I teach calculus? I'd probably struggle with it but I sure as shit could relearn algebra and teach them that.

 

[Jayhacker]

Seems everyday there is a new commercial about online education services available to everyone.
Both my DIL's are teachers and I've told both of them to pick about 6-7 of their favorite students and home school all of them. Both were worried they would lose too much Kpers $$.

 

[t_money86]

I'm surprised how many well educated people around me are scared for their kids. To the point where a couple have mentioned not sending them to school and of course they always wear masks. Maybe I'm missing something, but every thing i read says that kids have less chance of dying from Covid than the flu. You can't live your life scared of your own shadow.

My conclusion is that those people mainline XNN all day

Well educated has zero correlation with intelligent unfortunately anymore.

 

[Taggart]

Well educated has zero correlation with intelligent unfortunately anymore.

Because they don't teach common sense in academia.

 

[imprimis]

Agreed that many parents are clueless on how to parent. It's a learning process for sure and I'm grateful that we have the internet to learn from. But my wife and I want to learn, we want to be better so our kids can be better and that is something many people miss, not just being parents but so many people are fine with the status quo, whether at their job, their health, etc.

We've been lucky with ours that our daycare is great. Count me in the group of I don't know how to teach them but I also recognize that and would do what it takes to learn how to teach them, which I know many people are lazy and wouldn't want to. Can I teach calculus? I'd probably struggle with it but I sure as shit could relearn algebra and teach them that.

My sister used to ask what good is algebra? When do you ever use it in real life? I said, how about at the grocery store when it says 3 for $1, what does one cost? Simple algebraic expression 3x = $1; x = ?.

I found calculus to be fairly easy but got distracted by the nice tatas on the girl next to me. That was during the 70's flower power no bra loose fitting clothing era. Have no need for calculus today at my age.

 

[Pillow Pants]

I'm surprised how many well educated people around me are scared for their kids. To the point where a couple have mentioned not sending them to school and of course they always wear masks. Maybe I'm missing something, but every thing i read says that kids have less chance of dying from Covid than the flu. You can't live your life scared of your own shadow.

My conclusion is that those people mainline XNN all day

Same here. I had a neighbor/friend who was telling me some nonsense about how scared he was for his kids to go to school. I know him well enough, and we respect each other enough, that I could just ask him. Where was this fear originating? Why would there be anything wrong with his kids going to school? Did he know of any kids getting sick with any severity whatsoever - while completely ignoring the "so and so tested positive" bullshit. Turns out, he just believes that the news is telling him the truth in the best interest of his children. I spent about an hour proving otherwise with articles, charts, studies, videos, etc. This was about a month ago. I saw him last weekend and he told me he hasn't watched the news since. So there's one who has seen the light, but I think that his former thinking is the way most people think. And frankly, it's illogical, completely ignorant, and downright dangerous.

 

[Pillow Pants]

My sister used to ask what good is algebra? When do you ever use it in real life? I said, how about at the grocery store when it says 3 for $1, what does one cost? Simple algebraic expression 3x = $1; x = ?.

I found calculus to be fairly easy but got distracted by the nice tatas on the girl next to me. That was during the 70's flower power no bra loose fitting clothing era. Have no need for calculus today at my age.

I had 5 calculus classes in college. I don't outright use them anymore, but that foundational knowledge of the why and how absolutely benefits me in my career. I know that there are not many careers where it would, but it's still quite valuable.

Everyone uses algebra. It's funny when someone says they don't - just like your point/example.

 

[Pillow Pants]

My wife and I have had the conversation that if our school starts teaching CRT or talking to our kids about transgenders etc. we are gonna pull them out and either send them to Catholic School (we aren't Catholic) or home school.

Good for you for taking that stance, and for having the ability to do it.

Make sure you don't do it silently. Make it known that you're doing it as a response to their idiocy.

 

[Pillow Pants]

Some snippets from the article:

• Taxpayers spend an average of $15,240 per pupil annually in public schools, plus capital expenditures (National Education Association, 2021). Today’s roughly 4.5 million homeschool students represent a savings of over $68 billion for taxpayers. This is $68 billion that American taxpayers do not have to spend.
• The home-educated typically score 15 to 30 percentile points above public-school students on standardized academic achievement tests. (The public school average is the 50th percentile; scores range from 1 to 99.) A 2015 study found Black homeschool students to be scoring 23 to 42 percentile points above Black public school students (Ray, 2015).
• 78% of peer-reviewed studies on academic achievement show homeschool students perform statistically significantly better than those in institutional schools (Ray, 2017).
• Homeschool students score above average on achievement tests regardless of their parents’ level of formal education or their family’s household income.
• Whether homeschool parents were ever certified teachers is not related to their children’s academic achievement.
• Degree of state control and regulation of homeschooling is not related to academic achievement.
• Home-educated students typically score above average on the SAT and ACT tests that colleges consider for admissions.
• Homeschool students are increasingly being actively recruited by colleges.

Great stats.

The stats like this one are of note to me: "The home-educated typically score 15 to 30 percentile points above public-school students on standardized academic achievement tests."

This reminds me of something we studied in child psychology. There is a mountain of irrefutable evidence that proves that parents who read parenting books are better parents than those who don't. Does that mean that parents who don't read parenting books can't be even better? Of course not. But on the whole, the evidence is overwhelming. It is important to take that a step further though. The books and the content within may not have a single thing do to with its readers being better parents. Just the fact that the parents wanted to try to be better parents so they read a book is probably reason enough that they are in fact, better.

The same applies here. Parents willing to invest in their child's education by doing something like homeschooling natively separates them from a lot of other parents. And we know through decades and decades of mountains of evidence that involved parents have children who are better students. So does the homeschooling itself result in the better students, or is it just the separation of students who have involved parents into a group (here, homeschooled students) that causes the disparity and significantly higher scores?

 

[sclaw03]

Wife and I have been homeschooling for a couple of years now. We split duties. Technically my daughter will be a rising 3rd grader but we're more than half way through 5th grade in math (Singapore CC). Her reading is phenomenal (has finished all the Harry Potter Books). No clue as to what science level she'd be considered. Don't really care. I just try to teach her as much as I can. I've got her coding in Scratch. She's just started w/ Python. Her writing may be subpar but w/ her excelling w/ everything else we don't worry about it. Son is 4 and we've just started w/ him this year.

Top 2 types of parents that homeschool? Teachers and nurses. This was precovid so it may have changed. I'm guessing nurses are more for scheduling purposes. The fact that teachers are in a top slot should tell you something.

1:30

An hour and a half. That's max. That's the amount of time it takes to cover new material for your child's typical school day. If you think back on a high school math class you can easily understand that the new material for each hour long class consisted of about a 5 min lecture. As a teacher (22 years ago), I would tell the students they were free to work on their homework if they understood the new material. I'd spend the rest of the time walking other students through it, etc.

I had to homeschool. The more I thought about my child's time being wasted, how weak this new generation is (those Clinton supporters crying in the street yelling at the sky bc their political candidate lost), socialism being actively promoted in the school, the no child left behind philosophy (sure lets just hold other kids back), and the straight lack of caring of whether children truly learned anything or not did it for me. It's pretty obvious administrators are more concerned w/ kids missing days rather than missing the material covered during that time. As usual, it's about the $.

As far as socializing? This is where sports come in - tennis, golf, swim, soccer, etc. Our kids are usually in 3 at a time. Also, if your kids are only getting their socializing in classrooms then your kids are only learning how to socialize w/ kids their exact age w/ the exact same teachings and abilities w/in that classroom. This joke always pops up in my head when someone brings up socializing to homeschoolers:

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

My sister used to ask what good is algebra? When do you ever use it in real life? I said, how about at the grocery store when it says 3 for $1, what does one cost? Simple algebraic expression 3x = $1; x = ?.

I found calculus to be fairly easy but got distracted by the nice tatas on the girl next to me. That was during the 70's flower power no bra loose fitting clothing era. Have no need for calculus today at my age.

I don’t use calculus anymore either but learning calculus changes your brain in so many good ways.

 

[America 1st]

 

[GarnetPild]

Great stats.

The stats like this one are of note to me: "The home-educated typically score 15 to 30 percentile points above public-school students on standardized academic achievement tests."

This reminds me of something we studied in child psychology. There is a mountain of irrefutable evidence that proves that parents who read parenting books are better parents than those who don't. Does that mean that parents who don't read parenting books can't be even better? Of course not. But on the whole, the evidence is overwhelming. It is important to take that a step further though. The books and the content within may not have a single thing do to with its readers being better parents. Just the fact that the parents wanted to try to be better parents so they read a book is probably reason enough that they are in fact, better.

The same applies here. Parents willing to invest in their child's education by doing something like homeschooling natively separates them from a lot of other parents. And we know through decades and decades of mountains of evidence that involved parents have children who are better students. So does the homeschooling itself result in the better students, or is it just the separation of students who have involved parents into a group (here, homeschooled students) that causes the disparity and significantly higher scores?

Very well said. I have thought the same thing...It may not be the actual act of being schooled at home, but the fact they have caring, involved parents, that improves the kids' test scores.

 

[GarnetPild]

Wife and I have been homeschooling for a couple of years now. We split duties. Technically my daughter will be a rising 3rd grader but we're more than half way through 5th grade in math (Singapore CC). Her reading is phenomenal (has finished all the Harry Potter Books). No clue as to what science level she'd be considered. Don't really care. I just try to teach her as much as I can. I've got her coding in Scratch. She's just started w/ Python. Her writing may be subpar but w/ her excelling w/ everything else we don't worry about it. Son is 4 and we've just started w/ him this year.

Top 2 types of parents that homeschool? Teachers and nurses. This was precovid so it may have changed. I'm guessing nurses are more for scheduling purposes. The fact that teachers are in a top slot should tell you something.

1:30

An hour and a half. That's max. That's the amount of time it takes to cover new material for your child's typical school day. If you think back on a high school math class you can easily understand that the new material for each hour long class consisted of about a 5 min lecture. As a teacher (22 years ago), I would tell the students they were free to work on their homework if they understood the new material. I'd spend the rest of the time walking other students through it, etc.

I had to homeschool. The more I thought about my child's time being wasted, how weak this new generation is (those Clinton supporters crying in the street yelling at the sky bc their political candidate lost), socialism being actively promoted in the school, the no child left behind philosophy (sure lets just hold other kids back), and the straight lack of caring of whether children truly learned anything or not did it for me. It's pretty obvious administrators are more concerned w/ kids missing days rather than missing the material covered during that time. As usual, it's about the $.

As far as socializing? This is where sports come in - tennis, golf, swim, soccer, etc. Our kids are usually in 3 at a time. Also, if your kids are only getting their socializing in classrooms then your kids are only learning how to socialize w/ kids their exact age w/ the exact same teachings and abilities w/in that classroom. This joke always pops up in my head when someone brings up socializing to homeschoolers:

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That is an excellent point about socializing outside of school, with kids different ages, abilities, etc. Had never occured to me.

 

[OverlordWifey]

Home school students can also get through their lessons quicker when all the distractions at school are eliminated. Unfortunately, social interaction suffers although psychological issues from wearing masks are eliminated. It can be explained to kids about the virus but they don't understand since they aren't getting sick especially the younger they are. They think they are being punished which is obscene.

We homeschooled last year because I didn’t want our twins starting kindergarten in an environment where they weren’t familiar and had to stay 6 feet away from any new friends. They learned so much so fast!! We finished lessons within 3 hours a day. However even with play dates weekly they were lonely with just each other. This year they started private school and we repeated kindergarten. They are academically advanced so they get to be a little bored this year, but with late birthdays and some social immaturity we felt it was the right thing. Even now at their Christian private school they have to wear masks at certain times.

 

[Cre8ive]

The more home schooling the better. The American educational system is like a commode - it's full of shit. And when you home school your children get they get truth, instead of getting brainwashed.

 

[imprimis]

We homeschooled last year because I didn’t want our twins starting kindergarten in an environment where they weren’t familiar and had to stay 6 feet away from any new friends. They learned so much so fast!! We finished lessons within 3 hours a day. However even with play dates weekly they were lonely with just each other. This year they started private school and we repeated kindergarten. They are academically advanced so they get to be a little bored this year, but with late birthdays and some social immaturity we felt it was the right thing. Even now at their Christian private school they have to wear masks at certain times.

The kids are suffering in their development. The kids who have ADD or ADHD are really being abused by these bullshit edicts. God gave us all a mouth and nose to breathe through freely. As we've seen throughout this charade, those making the rules are the first to ignore them in their own lives.