Chinas hypersonic missile test surprises intelligence

[shiv]

This is a a very big deal

Chinese nuclear-capable hypersonic missile test surprises US intelligence: Report

China tested a nuclear-capable hypersonic missile in a move that caught U.S. intelligence by surprise, according to a new report.

www.foxnews.com

(Fox: It’s not a missile, it’s a hypersonic glide vehicle)

 

[GatorOK]

This is a a very big deal

Chinese nuclear-capable hypersonic missile test surprises US intelligence: Report

China tested a nuclear-capable hypersonic missile in a move that caught U.S. intelligence by surprise, according to a new report.

www.foxnews.com

(Fox: It’s not a missile, it’s a hypersonic glide vehicle)

Glide vehicle is not as concerning as the delivery vehicle. See my other post in Fraqqle. US glide vehicles are shown at US trade shows.

They most likely stole it from the US. Industry has been instructed to demonstrate something, anything and now!

 

[TopHook]

But muh manicure

 

[Emma tenywa]

Wondering whose blueprints they hacked this time

 

[shiv]

Glide vehicle is not as concerning as the delivery vehicle. See my other post in Fraqqle. US glide vehicles are shown at US trade shows.

They most likely stole it from the US. Industry has been instructed to demonstrate something, anything and now!

You mean like the booster that gets it into its glide path?

 

[GatorOK]

You mean like the booster that gets it into its glide path?

yes there is a missile that is hypersonic that releases the glide vehicle.

 

[shiv]

All correct and sorry for the confusion. My question is how did they do the targeting and what is the CEP for the Chinese glide weapon. Is this a show them we can do this or is this really something they would use in combat.

This is no doubt a weapon for combat. You land a nuke within 24 miles of its target from across the globe you are fucking a ton of shit up.

It’s no doubt a show them we can do this, but nonetheless this is serious fuckin business.

When you are flying across the globe at those speeds and miss a target by 24 miles that is incredibly impressive for an initial test of this iteration of the technology

 

[shiv]

All correct and sorry for the confusion. My question is how did they do the targeting and what is the CEP for the Chinese glide weapon. Is this a show them we can do this or is this really something they would use in combat.

And to the point about the CEP and how they do the targeting is basically a guess at this point. Hopefully the community has some kind of info, but I wouldn’t imagine this things have any kind of active sensors. The prob just guide based on accelerometers and some kind of built in map - complete guess though

 

[shiv]

This has become an all hands on deck approach by the US for both building our own weapon, and developing defense against one. I’d say the vast majority of the military budget for years will go into this arena

 

[America 1st]

This has become an all hands on deck approach by the US for both building our own weapon, and developing defense against one. I’d say the vast majority of the military budget for years will go into this arena

Seems like this could ratchet up the arms race in a way that could seriously affect society as we know it.

Just doesn’t feel like we’re doing nearly enough to maintain dominance.

 

[America 1st]

Oh yeah, one more thing - these things are ceramic - meaning that they are hard to see by radar systems, which most all missile defense systems are built around.

But since they get extremely hot they are extremely bright for IR systems. But on a cloudy day you aren’t seeing past the clouds with an IR system.

Now if you could look top down (I.e. space force) you could track them IR. But then you have to properly fuse the data to your weapon system down below which is an incredibly difficult problem for targets that kind of speed and maneuverability.

We have trouble properly fusing data to track a weather ballon lol

Also seems like the fear of these weapons could be just as dangerous as the weapons themselves.

 

[GatorOK]

Oh yeah, one more thing - these things are ceramic - meaning that they are hard to see by radar systems, which most all missile defense systems are built around.

But since they get extremely hot they are extremely bright for IR systems. But on a cloudy day you aren’t seeing past the clouds with an IR system.

Now if you could look top down (I.e. space force) you could track them IR. But then you have to properly fuse the data to your weapon system down below which is an incredibly difficult problem for targets that kind of speed and maneuverability.

We have trouble properly fusing data to track a weather ballon lol

Recommend you read the book “The Kill Chain” and be prepared to be disappointed where the US is in killing any of this.

 

[shiv]

Recommend you read the book “The Kill Chain” and be prepared to be disappointed where the US is in killing any of this.

I’ll check it out but trust me - I know. I’ve been in the belly of the beast. See my last post

 

[America 1st]

 

[laterallyshaking]

So do we all head for the hills?

 

[America 1st]

So do we all head for the hills?

I say we all head for John’s house

 

[Zgdaf]

So do we all head for the hills?

No.. just invest in aerospace funds… it’s all about the military industrial complex.

 

[America 1st]

 

[CurtOFD78]

Recommend you read the book “The Kill Chain” and be prepared to be disappointed where the US is in killing any of this.

can we get some cliffs?

 

[AgEngDawg]

Yea so they have a nuclear capable hypersonic missile. So what?

How advanced are they on racial equity? Gender fluidity? LGBTQ+ issues????

We are decades ahead of them in those issues. We have no problems, they can't touch us!

 

[CurtOFD78]

Between @Croot_Overlord and @GatorOK this topic is getting a bit more real. I've read the Twitter stuff about it but these days it's hard to really know what is fact and what is fiction. What you two have said makes it a bit more real sounding. I posted in another thread about this weapon that if they wanted to fire off a few at our east and west coasts with EMP capability they could effectively shut down our defenses on the coasts and America would start to look like the America from the series The Man in the High Castle (go watch it- cool series on Prime). Heck, Californians would probably welcome them with open arms if they started a troop invasion. Lord knows those pvssies don't have the means to fight them.

 

[AgEngDawg]

CNN says China says it was a spacecraft not a missile.

China denies testing a nuclear-capable hypersonic missile, says it was a spacecraft | CNN

China has denied a report that it tested a nuclear-capable hypersonic missile in August, saying on Monday that the test was instead a "routine spacecraft experiment."

www.cnn.com

 

[GPSooner]

Oh shit. Well, if China and CNN both say it was just a space vehicle I am not worried at all.

 

[Cre8ive]

It was made out of Legos! It started to fall apart on re-entry. It covered up the Wigan lab in tiny plastic shards. They’re calling it Explovid.

 

[America 1st]

 

[shiv]

CNN says China says it was a spacecraft not a missile.

China denies testing a nuclear-capable hypersonic missile, says it was a spacecraft | CNN

China has denied a report that it tested a nuclear-capable hypersonic missile in August, saying on Monday that the test was instead a "routine spacecraft experiment."

www.cnn.com

I could see this being true actually.

Or it could be US propaganda trying to get it out of the public eye

 

[GatorOK]

I could see this being true actually.

Or it could be US propaganda trying to get it out of the public eye

Was told today, it happened a while ago and we knew about it. Phone conversation and that is all I was able to get.

Speculation.....not in August. Not a Glide Vehicle.

 

[shiv]

Was told today, it happened a while ago and we knew about it. Phone conversation and that is all I was able to get.

Speculation.....not in August. Not a Glide Vehicle.

Makes sense. That is a looong way for a glide body to go. Still a flat trajectory like that is no good

 

[Cre8ive]

Based on the military intelligence on display with the Afghan pullout it is no wonder they are surprised. They are surprised every morning when they wake up and they are not dead.

 

[AgEngDawg]

 

[shiv]

 

[America 1st]

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[AgEngDawg]

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Daggum, this fucker has no idea what is going on.

He just has no idea.

 

[AgEngDawg]

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Isn't this what the Persians said to the Mongols?

 

[Cre8ive]

Isn't this what the Persians said to the Mongols?

Where is Alexander the Great when we need him?

 

[America 1st]

Where is Alexander the Great when we need him?

Probably at Mar-a-Lago.

 

[America 1st]

 

[BigBucnNole]

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They, the institution that is the presidency, probably does welcome it. Problem is with all of this is that for years there was a thought process in DC that said open markets would force China to liberalize. Well... maybe for a nation like Russia that has a moderately healthy GDP per capita compared to the rest of the planet and slower growth, it's possible. You ramp shit up too quickly like China did and it almost makes a country more authoritarian to protect itself from things like the income trap, Dutch diseases, and economic revolution that could see a group like the CCP replaced.

That thought process has been trying to change for the last 10 years. And it's been gradually changing. When Trump was elected, he didn't really know fuck all about China beyond a trade deficit, but he had China hawks Bannon, New American Century folks like Bolton, and the national Security state that left the door open to elements already inside the institution of the Presidency to push out the old school way of thinking that open trade could handle China. Now even with Trump gone, the folks in the pentagon and agencies are in more control than they've ever been and want to compete with China. The dynamic has flipped where it is more acceptable to compete with China than try to bullshit liberalization scheme.

You can see it in little things being done. Universities across the country are having their Confucian Schools shut down, basically what are Chinese spies are being hunted down internally, and the entire military establishment is refocusing to the Pacific. This is something out of a Presidents hand at this point and there is no going back.

 

[shiv]

They, the institution that is the presidency, probably does welcome it. Problem is with all of this is that for years there was a thought process in DC that said open markets would force China to liberalize. Well... maybe for a nation like Russia that has a moderately healthy GDP per capita compared to the rest of the planet and slower growth, it's possible. You ramp shit up too quickly like China did and it almost makes a country more authoritarian to protect itself from things like the income trap, Dutch diseases, and economic revolution that could see a group like the CCP replaced.

That thought process has been trying to change for the last 10 years. And it's been gradually changing. When Trump was elected, he didn't really know fuck all about China beyond a trade deficit, but he had China hawks Bannon, New American Century folks like Bolton, and the national Security state that left the door open to elements already inside the institution of the Presidency to push out the old school way of thinking that open trade could handle China. Now even with Trump gone, the folks in the pentagon and agencies are in more control than they've ever been and want to compete with China. The dynamic has flipped where it is more acceptable to compete with China than try to bullshit liberalization scheme.

You can see it in little things being done. Universities across the country are having their Confucian Schools shut down, basically what are Chinese spies are being hunted down internally, and the entire military establishment is refocusing to the Pacific. This is something out of a Presidents hand at this point and there is no going back.

The Chinese students in universities was/is a huge issue. There were two Chinese and one Indian in my class (only four of us in a Masters class). One would ask me leading questions all the time. The other one seemed nicer and he kept telling me that the other was a “bad person”. They could have been pulling some good cop/ bad cop shit but who knows. The one kept asking me about “chips”

Also this is a real, documented technology from China, and all public reports state that they are ahead of us. It is one of the most concerning, if not the most concerning technologies that has come out in decades (according to public reports)

However, to some degree this is clearly propaganda to increase the defense budget. Especially with the White House comments. “Bring it on“ likely means we are about to spend some money IMO

 

[BigBucnNole]

The Chinese students in universities was/is a huge issue. There were two Chinese and one Indian in my class (only four of us in a Masters class). One would ask me leading questions all the time. The other one seemed nicer and he kept telling me that the other was a “bad person”. They could have been pulling some good cop/ bad cop shit but who knows. The one kept asking me about “chips”

Also this is a real, documented technology from China, and all public reports state that they are ahead of us. It is one of the most concerning, if not the most concerning technologies that has come out in decades (according to public reports)

However, to some degree this is clearly propaganda to increase the defense budget. Especially with the White House comments. “Bring it on“ likely means we are about to spend some money IMO

It's possible they have something we don't. Biggest deal are those hypersonic missiles which will effectively make A2/AD obsolete. Also could make carriers obsolete. I just can't imagine we'd have dropped the ball on something that crucial.

We'll probably get back to an era where dumb rounds make more sense to use than missiles. They have a defense system for humvees they've been developing for decades that shoot RPG rounds out of the air with a single round.